Revisting Eze 38 and 39 - When?

[Shilohsfoal]

22 minutes ago, dad2 said:

That does not sound like the fire at the end of the millennium. A new heaven and earth comes right after that fire. In Eze they are still burying dead etc etc etc.

Neither is the end of the 1000 years the time when 'God sets his king over them forever'

Jesus is already ruling then and doesn't need to be set up.

Fire coming down from heaven and killing Gog does not sound like fire coming down from heaven and killing Gog.

Roflol

 

God sets a king over Israel forever in Ezekiel 37 before Gog invades the land of Israel in Ezekiel 38

 

Ezekiel 37

²⁴ And David my servant shall be king over them; and they all shall have one shepherd: they shall also walk in my judgments, and observe my statutes, and do them.

²⁵ And they shall dwell in the land that I have given unto Jacob my servant, wherein your fathers have dwelt; and they shall dwell therein, even they, and their children, and their children's children for ever: and my servant David shall be their prince for ever.

[dad2]

14 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Fire coming down from heaven and killing Gog does not sound like fire coming down from heaven and killing Gog.

Roflol

 

God sets a king over Israel forever in Ezekiel 37 before Gog invades the land of Israel in Ezekiel 38

No. A pattern of bible prophesy is to go back and flesh out more details. It does not mean that all that happens in the prophesy in the previous chapter takes place before all that is mentioned in the prophesy of another chapter. Additionally Jesus/David is ruling before the final battle of gog after the millennium. You don't get to assume that there is only on event involving gog and adjust all scripture accordingly. I already showed as mentioned a few times now that it is impossible for the Eze invasion to occur after Jesus returns. I outlined many verses and reasons such as how they still all have swords in the Eze invasion.

 

You are not listening. So why preach a doctrine here when it is off topic? The topic is not whether some think there is only one event involving gog in prophesy. The topic, once again it when the invasion of Israel in Eze happens in relation to the last seven years and Rapture. You have shown you are not capable of discussing this because you insist on saying the invasion happens long after the timeframe being debated in this thread. You were told your opinion was noted. Since you have nothing to add to the topic here, thanks for your input. No need to flog your pet theories here any more. Not interested in the slightest.

[Shilohsfoal]

Just now, dad2 said:

No. A pattern of bible prophesy is to go back and flesh out more details. It does not mean that all that happens in the prophesy in the previous chapter takes place before all that is mentioned in the prophesy of another chapter. Additionally Jesus/David is ruling before the final battle of gog after the millennium. You don't get to assume that there is only on event involving gog and adjust all scripture accordingly. I already showed as mentioned a few times now that it is impossible for the Eze invasion to occur after Jesus returns. I outlined many verses and reasons such as how they still all have swords in the Eze invasion.

 

You are not listening. So why preach a doctrine here when it is off topic? The topic is not whether some think there is only one event involving gog in prophesy. The topic, once again it when the invasion of Israel in Eze happens in relation to the last seven years and Rapture. You have shown you are not capable of discussing this because you insist on saying the invasion happens long after the timeframe being debated in this thread. You were told your opinion was noted. Since you have nothing to add to the topic here, thanks for your input. No need to flog your pet theories here any more. Not interested in the slightest.

You make a lot of claims and have given no scripture as proof.I have given scripture after scripture and even had to show you where God kills Gog with fire which you didn't even know was in Ezekiel 38.

I know your not interested in God's word or you would have paid better attention to it and would have known about the resurrection in Ezekiel 37 and God giving Israel a king forever in Ezekiel 37.

You would have known where fire comes down from heaven and destroyed Gog in Ezekiel 38,but you didn't pay attention to the word so you didn't know any of these things and still don't want to know.You just want to peddle your beliefs and ignore the word of God presented by Ezekiel.

[Revelation Man]

3 hours ago, dad2 said:

If you have more than an honest educated guess let us know. That is the point of the discussion. After all, as I mentioned a common teaching has been that this battle likely kicks off the last seven years and is roughly simultaneous with the Rapture. That is what I assumed was probably right as I also mentioned. The thread here looks at Scriptural reasons why that actually doesn't seem to be the case, and people were invited to support it if they could. Nothing about all this fits your little accusation of guessing something already stated in the bible.

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Well I do know, that's the whole point, read anyone in the know, or just read the bible, Gog and Magog does not fit Armageddon. Its not the same war. That is just very, very obvious. If people actually understood how scriptures all fit together like puzzle pieces, they would understand that its all conjoined and it can only play out in certain ways. 

In other words lets take the obvious. God has a 70 Sevens plan to get Israel to repent as a nation, they have yet to do that after Jesus' death at 69 weeks, so there is one week of penance left, that can only start when the fulness of the gentiles is come in meaning the Church Age must end, so the 70th week can only start when the Church Age Ends (Pre Trib Rapture) so now knowing this we can put things together, but only from a 10,000 foot view, we can't get micro details perfect as per dates etc. we can only get the obvious timelines correct.

So, something kicks it all off, what can that be? Well, the E.U. has to not only gain Israel's trust, but they need to be forced into action which pushes them toward building up a standing Army. This Russia "HOOK in the mouth" is just that. God will wipe out about 85 percent (5/6) the Russian, Iranian and Turkish Armies, this makes the path of the Little Horn easy. He will get Israel to join the E.U. but thy have to give up their Nukes. All these wars we see over there now which will end up via the Gog & Magog wars is what kicks of the Rapture, its not the other way around, ever here Preachers/Teachers say well there may be a GAP between the Rapture and the 70th weeks beginnings when the A.C. gets Israel to sign the Agreement (Covenant) ?

Well, they see it backwards, just as I did for 30 plus years. There is no GAP because the signing of the Agreement (Israel joining the E.U.) is what rekindles "God's Anger" toward Israel. God thus sends Jesus to rapture his bride, the fulness of the gentiles has come in, you know why? Romans chapters 9-11 was about SERVICE unto God. So, the Church's mission is over, Israel is back on God's clock, the 70th week of penance starts. It all ties together, Gog and Magog is not the Anti-Christ, it prepares the way for the Anti-Christ so anyone saying its END TIMES just before Jesus returns can only be guessing, because that s not it. I stated its just before or after the Rapture, which is Pre Trib, maybe that is where our train is crossing over and we are not on the same page. 

4 hours ago, dad2 said:

I don't really need any wow factors, thanks. Just a reasoned topical reply.

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In other words it destroyed your thesis so you started playing dodge ball. 

4 hours ago, dad2 said:

Rather than a drum role why not state briefly what the double aspect of the Eze prophesy is in your opinion?

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Are you really that adverse to talking about God? Don't have time hey? LOL. Reminds me of Church goers looking at their watches at 11:50.

4 hours ago, dad2 said:

So the question is when is that day? Simply state your opinion. Also tie it in to the topic somehow of the Eze prophesy.

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Read it and reply or don't read it and don't reply. Do not ever tell me how to reply brother, PERIOD. That is a bad attitude sir, and not Christ like at all.

Check yourself.

4 hours ago, dad2 said:

There is no question a prophesy can jump far into the future. However, in the case of Zec you bring up, let's look at that.

Zechariah 13:1

In that day there shall be a fountain opened to the house of David and to the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and for uncleanness.

Zechariah 13:2

And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord of hosts, that I will cut off the names of the idols out of the land, and they shall no more be remembered: and also I will cause the prophets and the unclean spirit to pass out of the land.

So the context of the prophesy is all future. Not sure where you though it jumped.

That was not history.

Also in what way are you addressing the timing of the invasion of Eze here?

Yes, its future, but its about two separate events, just like Rev. 12:1-5 is a code for the players, then we get the Prophecy in verses 6-17. I do not mind discussion about anything, just don't tell me how to reply that irks me, I do not tell you how to reply, remember, my goal is to reach and teach anyone, many may read and never reply or even join the board, many may see this after the Rapture, who knows. I follow God's voice in what I put forth and it takes up my time and effort. Far be it from me to tell others how to testify of their faith in Jesus. Its not my business how one chooses to do that.  The TIMING as I stated above has to set off the 70th week and the Pre Trib Rapture.

4 hours ago, dad2 said:

I don't see this as not being real. Sorry. Your speculation about modern armies and what you think they need is noted.

 

Well, it is real. Anyone that thinks a Modern Army can not cross a river is not living in the real world my brother. 

4 hours ago, dad2 said:

I could speculate as well. In the tribulation near the end, where I think the invasion of Eze must likely occur, it is possible that for whatever reason, many modern weapons might not work. One example in the present time that gives us an idea of this is an emp burst. Modern guns and vehicles and planes require an electric charge to function for the most part. How could a huge army cross a big river on foot or horseback? I am not saying it has to be an emp event, but in that time there could be something that renders a similar effect for all we know. There are probably other scenarios as well that would mean that a river drying up suddenly would facilitate an army. So there is ZERO need to accept your personal speculation that renders a prophesy to be just some non literal 'metaphor'. There is no reason from the bible itself to do so.

That was my original point, since I know its not the End Time Armageddon, I can say people putting it forth as "that point in time" has to be guessing, because it does not fit. No one is going to be on horseback, there is no 200 million man army, the Rev. 9, 200 Million are an Angelic Army. 

Accept what you so please, what I am telling you will come to pass. All one has to do is understand the same people who are said to be in hiding, suddenly gather at Armageddon, AFTER the Dragon, Beast and False Prophet lie unto them, so its not that hard to figure it all out. 

[dad2]

54 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

You make a lot of claims and have given no scripture as proof.I have given scripture after scripture and even had to show you where God kills Gog with fire which you didn't even know was in Ezekiel 38.

I know your not interested in God's word or you would have paid better attention to it and would have known about the resurrection in Ezekiel 37 and God giving Israel a king forever in Ezekiel 37.

You would have known where fire comes down from heaven and destroyed Gog in Ezekiel 38,but you didn't pay attention to the word so you didn't know any of these things and still don't want to know.You just want to peddle your beliefs and ignore the word of God presented by Ezekiel.

Yes all gets burned after the 1000 years. That is not the topic here, Focus

[dad2]

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 Well I do know, that's the whole point, read anyone in the know, or just read the bible, Gog and Magog does not fit Armageddon. Its not the same war. That is just very, very obvious.

Great. Another poster here has been saying they were for days now

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So, something kicks it all off, what can that be?

Your speculation remains just that, speculation

 

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All these wars we see over there now which will end up via the Gog & Magog wars is what kicks of the Rapture,

OK so your position is that the Eze invasion prophesy is before the seven years start. Not an uncommon position. As the OP here says

"Ezekiel 39:22

So the house of Israel shall know that I am the Lord their God from that day and forward.

To place the invasion before the time all Israel gets saved in the end when they see Him whom they pierced and repent would mean we have the verse above fulfilled before the nation is saved"

 

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Well, they see it backwards, just as I did for 30 plus years. There is no GAP because the signing of the Agreement (Israel joining the E.U.) is what rekindles "God's Anger" toward Israel.

Speculation. As pointed out it doesn't fit either. The prophesy is set in the time near His return and when Israel is saved and He is their God. You think that applies now?

 

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    Also in what way are you addressing the timing of the invasion of Eze here?
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I am pointing out that it is set at a time near the end of the tribulation when Israel is not saved and therefore able to be attacked. Still the time of Jacob's trouble. Otherwise God would not allow anyone to touch them. Yet it is near the time He returns and they are saved

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 The TIMING as I stated above has to set off the 70th week and the Pre Trib Rapture.

Nope. As the OP here says
Ezekiel 39:22
So the house of Israel shall know that I am the Lord their God from that day and forward.

     They are not saved now or before the tribulation. They do not know Jesus.

     

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Well, it is real. Anyone that thinks a Modern Army can not cross a river is not living in the real world my brother.

Speculation   Try ferrying a billion man army oover a body of water sometime. Then try it in the tribulation when we don't know what changes will happen that affects technology

     
 

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That was my original point, since I know its not the End Time Armageddon,

I used to jump to that conclusion as well. But what if it is a predecessor or first stage of it? Who knows?

 

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 I can say people putting it forth as "that point in time" has to be guessing, because it does not fit. No one is going to be on horseback, there is no 200 million man army, the Rev. 9, 200 Million are an Angelic Army.

Many prophesies do talk about horseback actually. Who are you to say it 'really' means tanks or cars??

 

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 All one has to do is understand the same people who are said to be in hiding, suddenly gather at Armageddon, AFTER the Dragon, Beast and False Prophet lie unto them, so its not that hard to figure it all out

Say what? The armies of Armageddon were in hiding?

[Diaste]

22 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Not only has Christ not come and raised Israel from their graves,God has not placed his king in Jerusalem yet.If you honestly believe Benjamin netanyahu is God's chosen king of Israel ,then you are truly misled.

Benjamin netanyahu is not the king you should bow down to.The Israeli goverment is the beast from the sea.You need to stop thinking it and it's people who have followed it into the promised land are of God .

That seems out of left field. I don't think in those terms.

[Diaste]

22 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Ezekiel 38-39 takes place after Christ has come and raised Israel up out of their graves in Ezekiel 37.

The resurrection of Israel

 

Ezekiel 37

⁷ So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.

⁸ And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.

⁹ Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.

¹⁰ So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.

¹¹ Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.

 

¹² Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

¹³ And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

¹⁴ And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

 

 

I don't know who decieved you into believing this resurrection has already taken place but I assure you that it hasn't.The whole house of Israel has not been brought up out of their graves yet.

This is the restoration of the nation of Israel, not a bodily resurrection of every Jew/Israeli that ever died. 

Even if that prophecy goes much further to include every Jew/Israeli that ever died, and I suspect it does, there is no time contingency. Just because Ch 37 precedes Ch 38 does not necessarily confer a chronology on the chapters or prophecy. 

Requiring the events of Ch 37 to occur before the events of Ch 38 is a bold move. I'm not so equipped. 

[Shilohsfoal]

10 hours ago, dad2 said:

Yes all gets burned after the 1000 years. That is not the topic here, Focus

I've explained the topic with scripture.

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, Diaste said:

This is the restoration of the nation of Israel, not a bodily resurrection of every Jew/Israeli that ever died. 

Even if that prophecy goes much further to include every Jew/Israeli that ever died, and I suspect it does, there is no time contingency. Just because Ch 37 precedes Ch 38 does not necessarily confer a chronology on the chapters or prophecy. 

Requiring the events of Ch 37 to occur before the events of Ch 38 is a bold move. I'm not so equipped. 

No,this is the resurection of Israel where they rise out of their graves.

Revelation 20 is a confirmation of Ezekiel 37-39

Revelation 21 confirms Ezekiel 40+