The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

[Montana Marv]

5 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Zech 14 takes place before the millinium.

That is when the ten nations and the beast invade Jerusalem and capture it . That takes place to the generation that lives in Israel now as they will be led away into captivity and the women raped and their children killed before their eyes much like what just took place .

True and False

Zech 14:2 happens prior to the Mill as the armies from the South (not the 10 Nations as you imply) come through Israel via Jerusalem on their way to Armageddon.  Those of Jews Judea have already fled to the mountains 3 1/2 years prior to this event.  They are not raped or taken captive.  The 10 nations have already inhabited Jerusalem for 3 1/2 years.  It is the armies from the South who uproot them.

5 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

The land of Israel after the millinium consists of all the land from the Euphrates river to the Nile river .That's why none of those nations are mentioned being with Gog.Those nations don't exist when Gog invades the promised land.

Wrong again; During the Mill

Isa 19:23-25 - In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria. The Assyrians will go to Egypt and the Egyptians will go to Assyria.  The Egyptians and Assyrians will worship together.  In that day Israel will be the Third, along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing on earth. The Lord Almighty will bless them saying, blessed by Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance.

There is no land given to Israel but what was already promised to them.  Post Mill there is the New Jerusalem which is about 1500 miles in length, width and height.  This encompasses approximately from the Euphrates to Libya and from Cush to Turkey.  Rev 21:24 - 26 - The nations will walk by it's light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. ... the glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it.  It appears there will be work associated with those living in and around the New Jerusalem.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Shilohsfoal]

6 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

True and False

Zech 14:2 happens prior to the Mill as the armies from the South (not the 10 Nations as you imply) come through Israel via Jerusalem on their way to Armageddon.  Those of Jews Judea have already fled to the mountains 3 1/2 years prior to this event.  They are not raped or taken captive.  The 10 nations have already inhabited Jerusalem for 3 1/2 years.  It is the armies from the South who uproot them.

Wrong again; During the Mill

Isa 19:23-25 - In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria. The Assyrians will go to Egypt and the Egyptians will go to Assyria.  The Egyptians and Assyrians will worship together.  In that day Israel will be the Third, along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing on earth. The Lord Almighty will bless them saying, blessed by Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance.

There is no land given to Israel but what was already promised to them.  Post Mill there is the New Jerusalem which is about 1500 miles in length, width and height.  This encompasses approximately from the Euphrates to Libya and from Cush to Turkey.  Rev 21:24 - 26 - The nations will walk by it's light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. ... the glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it.  It appears there will be work associated with those living in and around the New Jerusalem.

In Christ

Montana Marv

False

The land west of the Nile river is not in the promised land.There is only the 5 cities east of the Nile in Egypt that is the land promised to Christ.

 

As for those who go to armegeddon.All the countries surrounding Israel including Iraq and Iran attack Israel too.

The kings east of Israel go to armegeddon as well as Egypt.

 

Revelation 16

¹² And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.

¹³ And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.

¹⁴ For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.

¹⁵ Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.

¹⁶ And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

 

 

The United States armed forces destroys all the nations in the middle east including Egypt.The only people who are saved in the promised land are those who recieve the holy spirit.

[Shilohsfoal]

2 hours ago, Montana Marv said:

True and False

Zech 14:2 happens prior to the Mill as the armies from the South (not the 10 Nations as you imply) come through Israel via Jerusalem on their way to Armageddon.  Those of Jews Judea have already fled to the mountains 3 1/2 years prior to this event.  They are not raped or taken captive.  The 10 nations have already inhabited Jerusalem for 3 1/2 years.  It is the armies from the South who uproot them.

Wrong again; During the Mill

Isa 19:23-25 - In that day there will be a highway from Egypt to Assyria. The Assyrians will go to Egypt and the Egyptians will go to Assyria.  The Egyptians and Assyrians will worship together.  In that day Israel will be the Third, along with Egypt and Assyria, a blessing on earth. The Lord Almighty will bless them saying, blessed by Egypt my people, Assyria my handiwork, and Israel my inheritance.

There is no land given to Israel but what was already promised to them.  Post Mill there is the New Jerusalem which is about 1500 miles in length, width and height.  This encompasses approximately from the Euphrates to Libya and from Cush to Turkey.  Rev 21:24 - 26 - The nations will walk by it's light, and the kings of the earth will bring their splendor into it. ... the glory and honor of the nations will be brought into it.  It appears there will be work associated with those living in and around the New Jerusalem.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Again you were wrong about the ten nations taking Jerusalem .The United states armed forces occupy Jerusalem for the 3.5 years before those ten nations attack Jerusalem killing the armed forces stationed there and raping the Israeli women and killing the children.

The only people who leave 3.5 years prior to the end will be the churches who do not want to take the mark of the Israeli government. The messianic Jews are then persecuted for 3.5 years.

Again,after the ten predominately Muslim countries take Jerusalem,the United states armed forces respond by destroying about everything in the middle east.Only those who have received the holy Ghost are saved.

 

Mark 16:16 “He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned.” 

[Diaste]

18 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

The land of Israel after the millinium consists of all the land from the Euphrates river to the Nile river .That's why none of those nations are mentioned being with Gog.Those nations don't exist when Gog invades the promised land.

I don't know about that. It's 'many nations' with Gog. I don't see the few mentioned as a comprehensive list of what nations are with Gog. Psalm 83 and Eze 38 can likely be merged if one regards Psalm 83 as a prophecy. I'm not fully convinced yet.

I do think that if Gog deceives the nations in the four corners of the earth in Rev 20, then Gog did the same in Eze 38. 

So I can't limit the 'many nations' to only some, it's ambiguous and no one can say just how many, or which ones.

[Shilohsfoal]

15 minutes ago, Diaste said:

I don't know about that. It's 'many nations' with Gog. I don't see the few mentioned as a comprehensive list of what nations are with Gog. Psalm 83 and Eze 38 can likely be merged if one regards Psalm 83 as a prophecy. I'm not fully convinced yet.

I do think that if Gog deceives the nations in the four corners of the earth in Rev 20, then Gog did the same in Eze 38. 

So I can't limit the 'many nations' to only some, it's ambiguous and no one can say just how many, or which ones.

Well,we know for a fact that during the millinium that the land promised to the saints from the Euphrates to the Nile  is all holy land full of holy people.All the peoples of the nations in psalms 83 are either cleansed from their sins  or are removed from the Lord's kingdom.This is why none of the nations in psalms 83 accompany Gog in Ezekiel 38 after the millinium.

 

Notice below that scripture does not say anyone in Ethiopia or Persia is holy.Only those who are in the Lord's land from Assyria to Egypt.

 

This is the millinial kingdom being discussed here.After the ten horns are destroyed.

Isaiah 19

¹⁸ In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the Lord of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.

¹⁹ In that day shall there be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the Lord.

²⁰ And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the Lord because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.

²¹ And the Lord shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the Lord in that day, and shall do sacrifice and oblation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto the Lord, and perform it.

²² And the Lord shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the Lord, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them.

²³ In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.

²⁴ In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:

²⁵ Whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

 

 

 

 

 

[JoeCanada]

10 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Well,we know for a fact that during the millinium that the land promised to the saints from the Euphrates to the Nile  is all holy land full of holy people.All the peoples of the nations in psalms 83 are either cleansed from their sins  or are removed from the Lord's kingdom.This is why none of the nations in psalms 83 accompany Gog in Ezekiel 38 after the millinium.

 

Notice below that scripture does not say anyone in Ethiopia or Persia is holy.Only those who are in the Lord's land from Assyria to Egypt.

 

This is the millinial kingdom being discussed here.After the ten horns are destroyed.

Isaiah 19

¹⁸ In that day shall five cities in the land of Egypt speak the language of Canaan, and swear to the Lord of hosts; one shall be called, The city of destruction.

¹⁹ In that day shall there be an altar to the Lord in the midst of the land of Egypt, and a pillar at the border thereof to the Lord.

²⁰ And it shall be for a sign and for a witness unto the Lord of hosts in the land of Egypt: for they shall cry unto the Lord because of the oppressors, and he shall send them a saviour, and a great one, and he shall deliver them.

²¹ And the Lord shall be known to Egypt, and the Egyptians shall know the Lord in that day, and shall do sacrifice and oblation; yea, they shall vow a vow unto the Lord, and perform it.

²² And the Lord shall smite Egypt: he shall smite and heal it: and they shall return even to the Lord, and he shall be intreated of them, and shall heal them.

²³ In that day shall there be a highway out of Egypt to Assyria, and the Assyrian shall come into Egypt, and the Egyptian into Assyria, and the Egyptians shall serve with the Assyrians.

²⁴ In that day shall Israel be the third with Egypt and with Assyria, even a blessing in the midst of the land:

²⁵ Whom the Lord of hosts shall bless, saying, Blessed be Egypt my people, and Assyria the work of my hands, and Israel mine inheritance.

 

 

 

 

 

Isaiah 19 is "The oracle concerning Egypt"........ or

"The Word of God concerning Egypt"

In Verse 16...."In that day...........

In verse 18.... "In that day..........

In verse 19 .... "In that day.........

In verse 21.... " the Egyptians will know the Lord in that day......

In verse 23.... "In that day........

In verse 24 .... "In that day........

This is talking about the Day of the Lord.

According to Isaiah 34:8....... 61:2.......63:4............. the Day of the Lord, the Day when He begins to unleash His great fury and wrath......the whole 'DAY' is a year long. 

[Shilohsfoal]

19 minutes ago, JoeCanada said:

Isaiah 19 is "The oracle concerning Egypt"........ or

"The Word of God concerning Egypt"

In Verse 16...."In that day...........

In verse 18.... "In that day..........

In verse 19 .... "In that day.........

In verse 21.... " the Egyptians will know the Lord in that day......

In verse 23.... "In that day........

In verse 24 .... "In that day........

This is talking about the Day of the Lord.

According to Isaiah 34:8....... 61:2.......63:4............. the Day of the Lord, the Day when He begins to unleash His great fury and wrath......the whole 'DAY' is a year long. 

You don't say?

Egypt?

 

[JoeCanada]

5 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

You don't say?

Egypt?

 

Yes!

Scripture does say "Egypt" 

Maybe the version you are using doesn't say it.

[Diaste]

On 10/15/2023 at 10:13 AM, Shilohsfoal said:

You say you will know. I'm betting you don't live in any of the ten Muslim majority countries that attack Jerusalem before the millinium.Im betting you don't live in any of the nations listed in Psalms 83.

 

 

Zech 14

¹⁶ And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

The city is 1300 miles tall. over 6 times the height of the orbit of the ISS. Really conspicuous. 

[Diaste]

On 10/15/2023 at 9:39 AM, Shilohsfoal said:

 

Zech 14 takes place before the millinium.

That is when the ten nations and the beast invade Jerusalem and capture it . That takes place to the generation that lives in Israel now as they will be led away into captivity and the women raped and their children killed before their eyes much like what just took place .

 

Zech 14

² For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city.

 

Ezekiel doesn't say the women are raped and they are led away into captivity Ezekiel says the people of Israel live in safety .

 

Ezekiel 38

¹⁴ Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord God; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know it?

 

So where does Ezekiel say the women are raped and Israel is led away captive?

Still not convinced 'safety' here is what you think it is nor where or when. You are likening it to millennium but with all the other evidence from Ezekiel 38 I just don't see it. 

So who do you propose shows up at Armageddon to be slain? 

In Eze 39 it's said Gog falls on the mountains of Israel and is then food for the birds and beasts. That's not how it goes after the millennium. After the millennium, Gog is consumed by fire, not birds and beasts. 

Gog's demise in Eze 38-39 is so different than Rev 20 they simply cannot be the same event.