The battle of Gog and Magog does not happen until after the thousand year reign of Christ

[Shilohsfoal]

7 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

Yes!

Scripture does say "Egypt" 

Maybe the version you are using doesn't say it.

Yes I quoted verses concerning Egypt,Assyria and Israel.The nations that are in the millinial kingdom.

The verses exclude Persia,Ethiopia which are outside of the millinial kingdom.

[Shilohsfoal]

58 minutes ago, Diaste said:

The city is 1300 miles tall. over 6 times the height of the orbit of the ISS. Really conspicuous. 

John doesn't see the city doesn't come down out of heaven till after the millinium .It's going to be hard for you to see something that has not arrived yet.

 

Revelation 20:6-21:2

⁶ Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

⁷ And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

⁸ And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

⁹ And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

¹⁰ And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.

 

¹¹ And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.

¹² And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

¹³ And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.

¹⁴ And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.

¹⁵ And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

 

21 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

² And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, Diaste said:

Still not convinced 'safety' here is what you think it is nor where or when. You are likening it to millennium but with all the other evidence from Ezekiel 38 I just don't see it. 

So who do you propose shows up at Armageddon to be slain? 

In Eze 39 it's said Gog falls on the mountains of Israel and is then food for the birds and beasts. That's not how it goes after the millennium. After the millennium, Gog is consumed by fire, not birds and beasts. 

Gog's demise in Eze 38-39 is so different than Rev 20 they simply cannot be the same event.

Armegeddon is the war between the Islamic jihad consisting of ten countries (Islamic countries and Iran) against Israel and the United States of America.

The antichrist Jews who you believe are God's people fall by the sword and are led away captive into all nations.Then Christ comes and gathers his elect which are the Israelis who did not worship the Israeli government nor recieve it's mark.They shall live and reign with Christ for 1000 years.They are the ones who overcame and recieve the name Israel which is a name given to someone who has overcome.

 

After 1000 Years Gog gets his shot at fame and fails just as revelation says.

 

 

Edited October 17, 2023 by Shilohsfoal

[Revelation Man]

On 10/14/2023 at 10:49 AM, Shilohsfoal said:

Do you believe the revelation of Jesus Christ could in fact be truthful or do you believe it's a lie?

Below the book of revelations says exactly what you question.The saints reign with Christ for 1000 years and then Gog and Magog come against Christ and the saints after that 1000 years.Not before the 1000 years ,but after.

 

Are you going to say revelation is a lie or not?

 

Revelation20

⁶ Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

⁷ And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

⁸ And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

⁹ And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

The mistake you make here is not understanding that Jesus, even during the 1000 year reign, will not make people accept him nor his ways, which is why he must rule with a Rod of Iron. So, some who die will no doubt will go to hell. Thus as soon as the 1000 years is over, many people who have not yet died (men will continue to be born so if Jesus waits until there are no new births he would never be able to transition to the New Jerusalem) but all men must be tested/judged, but Jesus has to transition, so these will not be judged at death, they will be given a choice, Satan is released, all that follow him at that time will be destroyed, they have known Jesus' rule, thus them accepting Satan's ways at that point in time seals their fate. 

So, its not the same event. 

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

The mistake you make here is not understanding that Jesus, even during the 1000 year reign, will not make people accept him nor his ways, which is why he must rule with a Rod of Iron. So, some who die will no doubt will go to hell. Thus as soon as the 1000 years is over, many people who have not yet died (men will continue to be born so if Jesus waits until there are no new births he would never be able to transition to the New Jerusalem) but all men must be tested/judged, but Jesus has to transition, so these will not be judged at death, they will be given a choice, Satan is released, all that follow him at that time will be destroyed, they have known Jesus' rule, thus them accepting Satan's ways at that point in time seals their fate. 

So, its not the same event. 

What you don't understand is everyone who is left inside Christs kingdom gladly except and obey Jesus .

It's those outside Christs kingdom like Persia, Ethiopia and Libya who get the bright idea of entering Christs kingdom without an invitation.Everyone who is in his kingdom is perfectly happy and are in his rest.

Ezekiel 38

And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

 

 

It's them who are in the millinial kingdom that is at rest and  dwelling safely.Those outside of the millinial kingdom are not at rest,nor do they dwell safely.

 

 

[Revelation Man]

5 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

What you don't understand is everyone who is left inside Christs kingdom gladly except and obey Jesus .

 

You are just wrong, people are still sinners, the difference is they are ruled by a Rod of Iron, what part of that do you not get? That implies men are made to obey, that does not mean a God of Free Will will make them accept Christ Jesus as their savior. They will live in his peace and probably 90 percent will chose to be in and of Christ, but the fact that when he loses Satan and people still follows him should tell you all you need to know.

5 hours ago, Shilohsfoal said:

It's those outside Christs kingdom like Persia, Ethiopia and Libya who get the bright idea of entering Christs kingdom without an invitation.Everyone who is in his kingdom is perfectly happy and are in his rest.

Ezekiel 38

And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,

 

 

It's them who are in the millinial kingdom that is at rest and  dwelling safely.Those outside of the millinial kingdom are not at rest,nor do they dwell safely.

Jesus will rule the Whole World, just like Satan did for 6000 years. 

[FJK]

As much arguing about this as seems to be going on here, I'm curious:  How many of you actually expect to be here to see this Gog and Magog thing take place?

[Shilohsfoal]

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

You are just wrong, people are still sinners, the difference is they are ruled by a Rod of Iron, what part of that do you not get? That implies men are made to obey, that does not mean a God of Free Will will make them accept Christ Jesus as their savior. They will live in his peace and probably 90 percent will chose to be in and of Christ, but the fact that when he loses Satan and people still follows him should tell you all you need to know.

Jesus will rule the Whole World, just like Satan did for 6000 years. 

Wrong.Just because you sin and you see other people sin does not  mean everyone does.

All the sinners are removed from Christs millinial kingdom.There are no sinners in it.

 

Mathew 13

⁴¹ The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity;

⁴² And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth.

⁴³ Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun in the kingdom of their Father. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear.

 

 

 

Them who are not in his kingdom may sin but not them in his kingdom.

[Shilohsfoal]

2 hours ago, FJK said:

As much arguing about this as seems to be going on here, I'm curious:  How many of you actually expect to be here to see this Gog and Magog thing take place?

If I live another 5 years I expect to see the nation of Israel overcome by its enemies.And then a new nation of Israel will appear after it is gone.

Not Gog though.

 

 

 

Edited October 18, 2023 by Shilohsfoal