The Ezekiel Third Temple Myth

[Mr. M]

Paul taught on the desecration of the Temple.

1 Corinthians 3:

16 Do you not know that you are the temple of God

and that the Spirit of God dwells in you? 

17 If anyone defiles the temple of God, God will destroy him.

For the temple of God is holy, which temple you are.

2 Corinthians 6:16 And what agreement has the temple of God with idols?

For you are the temple of the living God. As God has said:

“I will dwell in them
And walk among them.
I will be their God,
And they shall be My people.”

The same rabbi who wrote these words has also taught:

2 Thessalonians 2:

3 Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless

the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, 

4 who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped,

so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

Acts 17:24 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord

of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands.

The construction of the Third Temple began on the day of Pentecost.

Prudence would require the consideration that the abomination of desolation

spoken of by Jesus Christ is not a temple built with "man's hands".

John 4:

21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will

neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. 

22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship,

for salvation is of the Jews. 

23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship

the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 

24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Isaiah 66:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Heaven is My throne,
And earth is My footstool.
Where is the house that you will build Me?
And where is the place of My rest?
2 For all those things My hand has made,
And all those things exist,”
Says the Lord.
“But on this one will I look:
On him who is poor and of a contrite spirit,
And who trembles at My word.

Acts 7:48 “However, the Most High does not dwell in temples

made with hands, as the prophet says:

49 ‘Heaven is My throne,
And earth is My footstool.
What house will you build for Me? says the Lord,
Or what is the place of My rest?
50 Has My hand not made all these things?’

Hebrews 9:11 But Christ came as High Priest of the good things to come,

with the greater and more perfect tabernacle not made with hands,

that is, not of this creation. 

1 Peter 2:

4 Coming to Him as to a living stone, rejected indeed by men,

but chosen by God and precious, 

5 you also, as living stones, are being built up a spiritual house, a holy priesthood,

to offer up spiritual sacrifices acceptable to God through Jesus Christ. 

6 Therefore it is also contained in the Scripture,

“Behold, I lay in Zion
A chief cornerstone, elect, precious,
And he who believes on Him will by no means be put to shame.”

Ephesians 2:

19 Now, therefore, you are no longer strangers and foreigners,

but fellow citizens with the saints and members of the household of God, 

20 having been built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets,

Jesus Christ Himself being the chief cornerstone, 

21 in whom the whole building, being fitted together,

grows into a holy temple in the Lord, 

22 in whom you also are being built together for

a dwelling place of God in the Spirit.

[Retrobyter]

4 hours ago, Mr. M said:

I most certainly believe in a 1000 year reign of the house of David. This pertains to his throne, not a temple. I am not going to post the entirety of 2 Samuel 7, but here is what I would like to point out.

11 And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies. Also the Lord telleth thee that he will make thee an house.

bayit, not a temple, a ruling dynasty, and a throne of judgment that rules on earth. How can you ask about the fulfillment? You already show how with citing Luke 1:32 & Isaiah 9 fulfilled in Christ!

Shalom, Mr. M.

Sounds to me like you're treating this as a Christian view of the 1,000 year reign. Yeeshuwa` ("Jesus") SHALL reign for a thousand years, but the 1,000 years really describes how long haSatan is locked away in the Bottomless Pit! It's NOT the duration of the Messiah's reign! Remember what GaVri'eel ("Gabriel") said,

Luke 1:30-33 (KJV)

30 And the angel said unto her,

"Fear not, Mary: for thou hast found favour with God. 31 And, behold, thou shalt conceive in thy womb, and bring forth a son, and shalt call his name JESUS. 32 He shall be great, and shall be called the Son of the Highest: and the Lord God shall give unto him the throne of his father David: 33 And he shall reign over the house of Jacob FOR EVER; and of his kingdom there shall be NO END!"

His reign is NOT going to be just 1,000 years over the house of Jacob! It will NEVER END!!! Yeeshuwa` doesn't need to reign over the Universe; God His Father has that well in hand. He doesn't HAVE a body; HE IS a BODY OF FLESH raised from the dead!

John 1:1-3, 14 (KJV)

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
...

14 And the Word was MADE FLESH, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

He is not PRECISELY the same as His Father, God. He is now called "the SON of God." Being MADE FLESH (He was NOT "PUT INTO flesh" or "in-carn-ated"), He is now LIMITED in physical dimensions! That is why and how He could "go away" and "come again." 

But, this makes Him physical, accessible, and relatable to us human beings! He is our MEDIATOR; He is an ADVOCATE for human beings! He is our GO-BETWEEN between us and God the Father! He will be King over ALL THE EARTH! Read between the lines of the following passage; the passage is really about the resurrections, but this passage also tells us about the beginning and the end of His INITIAL reign while He is building the Worldwide Empire for God His Father:

1 Corinthians 15:20-28 (KJV)

20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them that slept. 21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order:

(0) Christ the firstfruits;
(1) afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. 24
(2) Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power. 

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. [Note: according to Revelation 20:14, this happens during the GWTJ.] 27 For he hath put all things under his feet.

(But when "he saith, all things are put under him," it is manifest that "he" [God the Father] is excepted, which did "put all things under him [the Messiah, the Son of god].")

28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

Because of the teachings about the Trinity, Christians don't like to make a distinction between God the Father and the Son of God, but it is the ONLY way to understand such Scriptures!

4 hours ago, Mr. M said:

Hebrews 3:

3 For this One has been counted worthy of more glory than Moses, inasmuch as He who built the house has more honor than the house. 4 For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God. 5 And Moses indeed was faithful in all His house as a servant, for a testimony of those things which would be spoken afterward, 6 but Christ (the Messiah) as a SON over His own house, whose house we are if we hold fast the confidence and the rejoicing of the hope firm to the end.

To whom was the author of "Hebrews" writing?! And, again, to Gentile Christians I say, MAKE THE DISTINCTION between God the Father, and the SON of God! It does the Son of God NO disservice to recognize that the Father DID INDEED "make Him a little lower than the angels" and make Him FLESH! It was GOD'S choice - the FATHER'S choice - to make Him human as our Sacrifice for sin and our Mediator! YES, He is still the "Word," but He was given the NAME of "He shall rescue" or in Hebrew, "Yeeshuwa`!" That name, through many transliterations, has come to be the English name, "Jesus" (which was originally pronounced IN ENGLISH as "YAY-soos," btw). 

4 hours ago, Mr. M said:

A house of judgment, not of sacrifice

Isaiah 2:

Now it shall come to pass in the latter days
That the mountain of the Lord’s house
Shall be established on the top of the mountains,
And shall be exalted above the hills;
And all nations shall flow to it.
3 Many people shall come and say,
“Come, and let us go up to the mountain of the Lord,
To the house of the God of Jacob;
He will teach us His ways,
And we shall walk in His paths.”
For out of Zion shall go forth the law,
And the word of the Lord from Jerusalem.
4 He shall judge between the nations,
And rebuke many people;
They shall beat their swords into plowshares,
And their spears into pruning hooks;
Nation shall not lift up sword against nation,
Neither shall they learn war anymore.

No need for a temple, just faithful judges, as intended long before David desired to build one.

There IS a need for a Temple because God WANTS there to be a Temple! God's prophecy through Ezekiel will be LITERALLY FULFILLED! The Temple has ALWAYS been a FOCAL POINT for prayer! THAT was its intent! (See 1 Kings 8ff.)

HOWEVER, we also have the verses, one of which you've quoted above, that are beyond that PHYSICAL Temple! Y'khezk'eel (Ezekiel) is talking about the MILLENNIUM - the CHILIA ETEE - the THOUSAND YEARS! Yeesha`yahuw (Isaiah) is talking about BEYOND the Millennium! He, like Yochanan (John), was given the privilege to see BOTH times, even though many readers will merge the two.

We don't fly off into some "Never-never Land" called "Heaven" to live eternally! We still have A JOB TO DO! Yeeshuwa` isn't going to just take us all off-world and destroy the planet behind Him! Yeeshuwa` isn't going to reign over the entire Universe or even the entire Milky-Way Galaxy; God His Father has that well in hand. Yeeshuwa` is going to REIGN OVER THIS EARTH FOREVER, but He is still the One of whom it is said, "A bent reed He will not break off, and a smoking flax He will not snuff!" He will "reign over the earth" IN STAGES OVER THE COMING THOUSAND YEARS until He has subdued all of His enemies, letting TIME RUN ITS COURSE! And, when He fully conquers death, it will be the LAST ENEMY! It's NOT UNTIL THEN that He will usher us into ETERNITY UPON THIS RENOVATED EARTH - the NEW EARTH!

[Mr. M]

49 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

Sounds to me like you're treating this as a Christian view of the 1,000 year reign.

Nope. I am well aware of the eternal nature of His reign, and that after all His enemies

have been subdued, He delivers all unto the Father who has said "sit at my right hand,

until I make your enemies your footstool", at which time God is all, in all. You are preaching

to the choir and your assertion of a "trinitarian Christian view" is valid, it is presumptuous

and invalid in this case. I was asked how the throne of David could reign on earth for a millennium

without a temple. The same way David reigned over Israel for 40 years, from a throne of righteousness

and judgment. To suggest that a temple is needed for a millennial reign is simply invalid.

55 minutes ago, Retrobyter said:

To whom was the author of "Hebrews" writing?! And, again, to Gentile Christians I say, MAKE THE DISTINCTION between God the Father, and the SON of God! It does the Son of God NO disservice to recognize that the Father DID INDEED "make Him a little lower than the angels" and make Him FLESH! It was GOD'S choice - the FATHER'S choice - to make Him human as our Sacrifice for sin and our Mediator! YES, He is still the "Word," but He was given the NAME of "He shall rescue" or in Hebrew, "Yeeshuwa`!" That name, through many transliterations, has come to be the English name, "Jesus" (which was originally pronounced IN ENGLISH as "YAY-soos," btw). 

19 hours ago, Mr. M said:

Again, preaching to the choir. I have no problem with the clear distinctions made

throughout the testimony of the Son to His relationship to His Father.

22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, 

23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. 

He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: “Father, the hour has come.

Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 

2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life

to as many as You have given Him. 

3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God,

and Jesus Christ whom You have sent.

1 hour ago, Retrobyter said:

There IS a need for a Temple because God WANTS there to be a Temple! God's prophecy through Ezekiel will be LITERALLY FULFILLED! The Temple has ALWAYS been a FOCAL POINT for prayer! THAT was its intent! (See 1 Kings 8ff.)

John 4:

20 Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you Jews say

that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship.”

21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will

neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. 

22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship,

for salvation is of the Jews. 

23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will 

worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 

24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

1 hour ago, Retrobyter said:

We don't fly off into some "Never-never Land" called "Heaven" to live eternally! We still have A JOB TO DO! Yeeshuwa` isn't going to just take us all off-world and destroy the planet behind Him! Yeeshuwa` isn't going to reign over the entire Universe or even the entire Milky-Way Galaxy; God His Father has that well in hand. Yeeshuwa` is going to REIGN OVER THIS EARTH FOREVER, but He is still the One of whom it is said, "A bent reed He will not break off, and a smoking flax He will not snuff!" He will "reign over the earth" IN STAGES OVER THE COMING THOUSAND YEARS until He has subdued all of His enemies, letting TIME RUN ITS COURSE! And, when He fully conquers death, it will be the LAST ENEMY! It's NOT UNTIL THEN that He will usher us into ETERNITY UPON THIS RENOVATED EARTH - the NEW EARTH!

Now you are just rambling off topic. Thanks for sharing.

[Mr. M]

1 hour ago, Retrobyter said:

There IS a need for a Temple because God WANTS there to be a Temple! God's prophecy through Ezekiel will be LITERALLY FULFILLED! The Temple has ALWAYS been a FOCAL POINT for prayer! THAT was its intent! (See 1 Kings 8ff.)

Rev 21:22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

[Retrobyter]

51 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Nope. I am well aware of the eternal nature of His reign, and that after all His enemies
have been subdued, He delivers all unto the Father who has said "sit at my right hand,
until I make your enemies your footstool", at which time God is all, in all. You are preaching
to the choir and your assertion of a "trinitarian Christian view" is valid, it is presumptuous
and invalid in this case. I was asked how the throne of David could reign on earth for a millennium
without a temple. The same way David reigned over Israel for 40 years, from a throne of righteousness
and judgment. To suggest that a temple is needed for a millennial reign is simply invalid.

Shalom, Mr. M.

And, yet, a Temple SHALL exist during the Millennium - like it or not, and we know this to be true because Y'khezk'eel's prophecy has yet to be fulfilled, but we know that EVERY PROPHECY OF GOD shall be fulfilled, just as the 400 prophecies were fulfilled LITERALLY during Yeeshuwa`s first coming.

51 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Again, preaching to the choir. I have no problem with the clear distinctions made
throughout the testimony of the Son to His relationship to His Father.

John 5:

22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, 
23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. 
He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

John 17:

Jesus spoke these words, lifted up His eyes to heaven, and said: 

“Father, the hour has come. Glorify Your Son, that Your Son also may glorify You, 
2 as You have given Him authority over all flesh, that He should give eternal life
to as many as You have given Him. 
3 And this is eternal life, that they may know You, the only true God,
and Jesus Christ whom You have sent."

John 4:

20 "Our fathers worshiped on this mountain, and you Jews say
that in Jerusalem is the place where one ought to worship.”

21 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will
neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. 
22 You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship,
for salvation is of the Jews. 
23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will 
worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. 
24 God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

You're jumping all over the place in John! Anyway, as far as the woman at the well was concerned, that time has already happened! This was said BEFORE the Diaspora throughout the Roman Empire, and that dispersion affected the Samaritans as much as it did the Jews. It's still true today, because the Temple was destroyed! However, the descendants of the Samaritans are back now, and they are once again worshipping on Mount Gerizim. (See Wikipedia on Samaritans.)

Furthermore, the word "salvation" means "RESCUE!" "DELIVERANCE!" He was saying that the prophecies tell of the Jews being rescued when the Messiah comes again!

Having authority does NOT mean reigning! It means having the RIGHT to reign, even when His reign hasn't started, yet!

51 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

Now you are just rambling off topic. Thanks for sharing.

...

9 hours ago, Mr. M said:

Rev 21:22 But I saw no temple in it, for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

True, but this happens AFTER the Great White Throne Judgment and after the earth is renovated and after the New Jerusalem descends to the New Earth! During the 1,000 year prior, there SHALL be a Temple! In fact, Yeeshuwa` Himself builds it (or has it built, just as Shlomoh or Solomon did). 

2 Samuel 7:4-16 (KJV)

4 And it came to pass that night, that the word of the LORD came unto Nathan, saying, 

5 "Go and tell my servant David,

"'Thus saith the LORD,

"'"Shalt THOU build ME an house for me to dwell in? 6 Whereas I have not dwelt in any house since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle. 7 In all the places wherein I have walked with all the children of Israel spake I a word with any of the tribes of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people Israel, saying, 'Why build ye not me an house of cedar?' "'

8 "Now therefore so shalt thou say unto my servant David,

"'Thus saith the LORD of hosts,

"'"I took thee from the sheepcote, from following the sheep, to be ruler over my people, over Israel: 9 And I was with thee whithersoever thou wentest, and have cut off all thine enemies out of thy sight, and have made thee a great name, like unto the name of the great men that are in the earth. 10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime, 11 And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies."

"'Also the LORD telleth thee that HE will make THEE an house. 

12 "'"And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: 15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee. 16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever."'"

This cannot be talking about Shlomoh ("Solomon") because we're told in 1 Kings 1:32-4o that David had NOT yet slept with his fathers, when Shlomoh took over the throne. David was still alive and ordered Shlomoh to be made king! Therefore, this "seed" is the Messiah Himself. David is said to be present as well when the Messiah reigns, thus further proof that David will be in the First Resurrection.

But, the Prince shall sit within the Temple, and the ones who come to the Temple will be passing through before Him!

Ezekiel 46:8-10 (KJV)

8 And when the prince shall enter, he shall go in by the way of the porch of that gate, and he shall go forth by the way thereof. 9 But when the people of the land shall come before the LORD in the solemn feasts, he that entereth in by the way of the north gate to worship shall go out by the way of the south gate; and he that entereth by the way of the south gate shall go forth by the way of the north gate: he shall not return by the way of the gate whereby he came in, but shall go forth over against it. 10 And the prince in the midst of them, when they go in, shall go in; and when they go forth, shall go forth.

Perhaps, if you had just READ my "rambling" above, you wouldn't have this confusion! See, there is validity to the "reigning with the Messiah." We're going to be reigning over towns and villages under the umbrella of God's Kingdom headed by the Messiah Yeeshuwa` in Israel. And, He will REQUIRE all to come to Israel at least once a year at the time of Sukkot. (I believe that is our Master's real birthday!) They will NOT be allowed to say "no!" If they won't come, bad things will happen to their nations!

Christians know "we will be reigning with Him," but they think that somehow this will be done from "Heaven!" How does THAT work?! No, they will be reigning with the Messiah BACK HERE ON EARTH AFTER THE RESURRECTION. Most will reluctantly agree when they read Revelation 20:4-6 (although some think it will be a select few who actually reign with him). But, one should READ ON!

Revelation 20:4-6 (KJV)

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Revelation 21:22-22:5 (KJV)

22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. 24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. 25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. 26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. 27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner offruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: 4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. 5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

So, just as we learn from Luke 1:30-33 that Yeeshuwa` shall reign forever (and not just for a thousand years), here we see that those who reign with Him shall reign forever, as well, upon the New Earth! Although it won't be strenuous work, we will still have the jobs of reigning to do! This begs the question: We will reign over WHOM?

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, Retrobyter said:

Shalom, Mr. M.

And, yet, a Temple SHALL exist during the Millennium - like it or not, and we know this to be true because Y'khezk'eel's prophecy has yet to be fulfilled, but we know that EVERY PROPHECY OF GOD shall be fulfilled, just as the 400 prophecies were fulfilled LITERALLY during Yeeshuwa`s first coming.

You're jumping all over the place in John! Anyway, as far as the woman at the well was concerned, that time has already happened! This was said BEFORE the Diaspora throughout the Roman Empire, and that dispersion affected the Samaritans as much as it did the Jews. It's still true today, because the Temple was destroyed! However, the descendants of the Samaritans are back now, and they are once again worshipping on Mount Gerizim. (See Wikipedia on Samaritans.)

Furthermore, the word "salvation" means "RESCUE!" "DELIVERANCE!" He was saying that the prophecies tell of the Jews being rescued when the Messiah comes again!

Having authority does NOT mean reigning! It means having the RIGHT to reign, even when His reign hasn't started, yet!

...

True, but this happens AFTER the Great White Throne Judgment and after the earth is renovated and after the New Jerusalem descends to the New Earth! During the 1,000 year prior, there SHALL be a Temple! In fact, Yeeshuwa` Himself builds it (or has it built, just as Shlomoh or Solomon did). 

2 Samuel 7:4-16 (KJV)

4 And it came to pass that night, that the word of the LORD came unto Nathan, saying, 

5 "Go and tell my servant David,

"'Thus saith the LORD,

"'"Shalt THOU build ME an house for me to dwell in? 6 Whereas I have not dwelt in any house since the time that I brought up the children of Israel out of Egypt, even to this day, but have walked in a tent and in a tabernacle. 7 In all the places wherein I have walked with all the children of Israel spake I a word with any of the tribes of Israel, whom I commanded to feed my people Israel, saying, 'Why build ye not me an house of cedar?' "'

8 "Now therefore so shalt thou say unto my servant David,

"'Thus saith the LORD of hosts,

"'"I took thee from the sheepcote, from following the sheep, to be ruler over my people, over Israel: 9 And I was with thee whithersoever thou wentest, and have cut off all thine enemies out of thy sight, and have made thee a great name, like unto the name of the great men that are in the earth. 10 Moreover I will appoint a place for my people Israel, and will plant them, that they may dwell in a place of their own, and move no more; neither shall the children of wickedness afflict them any more, as beforetime, 11 And as since the time that I commanded judges to be over my people Israel, and have caused thee to rest from all thine enemies."

"'Also the LORD telleth thee that HE will make THEE an house. 

12 "'"And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom. 13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever. 14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men: 15 But my mercy shall not depart away from him, as I took it from Saul, whom I put away before thee. 16 And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever."'"

This cannot be talking about Shlomoh ("Solomon") because we're told in 1 Kings 1:32-4o that David had NOT yet slept with his fathers, when Shlomoh took over the throne. David was still alive and ordered Shlomoh to be made king! Therefore, this "seed" is the Messiah Himself. David is said to be present as well when the Messiah reigns, thus further proof that David will be in the First Resurrection.

But, the Prince shall sit within the Temple, and the ones who come to the Temple will be passing through before Him!

Ezekiel 46:8-10 (KJV)

8 And when the prince shall enter, he shall go in by the way of the porch of that gate, and he shall go forth by the way thereof. 9 But when the people of the land shall come before the LORD in the solemn feasts, he that entereth in by the way of the north gate to worship shall go out by the way of the south gate; and he that entereth by the way of the south gate shall go forth by the way of the north gate: he shall not return by the way of the gate whereby he came in, but shall go forth over against it. 10 And the prince in the midst of them, when they go in, shall go in; and when they go forth, shall go forth.

Perhaps, if you had just READ my "rambling" above, you wouldn't have this confusion! See, there is validity to the "reigning with the Messiah." We're going to be reigning over towns and villages under the umbrella of God's Kingdom headed by the Messiah Yeeshuwa` in Israel. And, He will REQUIRE all to come to Israel at least once a year at the time of Sukkot. (I believe that is our Master's real birthday!) They will NOT be allowed to say "no!" If they won't come, bad things will happen to their nations!

Christians know "we will be reigning with Him," but they think that somehow this will be done from "Heaven!" How does THAT work?! No, they will be reigning with the Messiah BACK HERE ON EARTH AFTER THE RESURRECTION. Most will reluctantly agree when they read Revelation 20:4-6 (although some think it will be a select few who actually reign with him). But, one should READ ON!

Revelation 20:4-6 (KJV)

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Revelation 21:22-22:5 (KJV)

22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it. 23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof. 24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it. 25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there. 26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it. 27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.
1 And he shewed me a pure river of water of life, clear as crystal, proceeding out of the throne of God and of the Lamb. 2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, was there the tree of life, which bare twelve manner offruits, and yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree were for the healing of the nations. 3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him: 4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their foreheads. 5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

So, just as we learn from Luke 1:30-33 that Yeeshuwa` shall reign forever (and not just for a thousand years), here we see that those who reign with Him shall reign forever, as well, upon the New Earth! Although it won't be strenuous work, we will still have the jobs of reigning to do! This begs the question: We will reign over WHOM?

According to scripture,after Israel is brought up out of their graves which is the first resurection, the spirit of God will be in them.

If the spirit of God is in them ,then they will still be the temple of God.

 

¹² Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.

¹³ And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

¹⁴ And shall put my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the Lord.

 

 

Note,the scripture does not say the spirit of God will dwell in a man made building after they are raised out of their graves.His spirit is in them who are raised out of their graves.

[TrueFollowerOfChrist]

I believe the temple in Ezekiel is a literal temple that will exist during the millennium. God wouldn't have written such precise details in 9 chapters of Ezekiel only "hoping" it might happen. It definitely WILL happen. This temple is on such a grand scale it wouldn't have been possible to build in the past or even today. Jesus will no doubt sit on the throne in this Temple for 1,000 years. 

[tim_from_pa]

I know I won't convince anyone whose mind is made up, but the problem with the OP is that it takes a very (for want of a better word)  ethnocentric point of view of the temple (or maybe there's a word Christocentric?) .  That's not how the Jews or the rest of the world sees it.  And indeed, God is working with all these people yet so what we know spiritually in Christ makes no sense to others (yet).  In addition, to minimize any physical promises to Israel (as the promises to Abraham Isaac and Jacob were earthly promises) minimizes a very vast portion of the Bible (as if to say what's the point of their promises and mention of those promises if they are no longer valid?) and indeed borders on replacement theology where they get watered down to some 'spiritual' fulfillment.

Now, as for the Temple diagrams, the size in feet are based on the common cubit of about 18".  There was the royal (20.628") cubit and even a sacred (25.0265").  I know there's more than enough evidence that Solomon's temple was at least based on the 20+" cubit and even Ezekiel pointed out the cubit and a span length. So 500 cubits is probably closer to at least 860 feet.  I won't even try to guess where that would fit on the Temple Mount as the Bible also indicates in the end times the topography of the earth will change anyway. We can only (try to) dig in this age and find where it once was which, BTW I believe was on the mount but well south of the Dome of the Rock closer to the Al Aqsa Mosque.

[Mr. M]

Ezekiel's Vision Was For The Second Temple,

To Be Built For All Nations,

To Prepare For The Coming Prince Of Peace.

Isaiah Declares That Judah Will Be Restored In The Reign of Cyrus

Isaiah 44:

24 Thus says the Lord, your Redeemer,
And He who formed you from the womb:
“I am the Lord, who makes all things,
Who stretches out the heavens all alone,
Who spreads abroad the earth by Myself;
25 Who frustrates the signs of the babblers,
And drives diviners mad;
Who turns wise men backward,
And makes their knowledge foolishness;
26 Who confirms the word of His servant,
And performs the counsel of His messengers;
Who says to Jerusalem, ‘You shall be inhabited,’
To the cities of Judah, ‘You shall be built,’
And I will raise up her waste places;
27 Who says to the deep, ‘Be dry!
And I will dry up your rivers’;
28 Who says of Cyrus, ‘He is My shepherd,
And he shall perform all My pleasure,
Saying to Jerusalem, “You shall be built,”
And to the temple, “Your foundation shall be laid.” ’

The Lord Declares Cyrus To Be His Anointed

Isaiah 45:

1 “Thus says the Lord to His anointed,
To Cyrus, whose right hand I have held—
To subdue nations before him
And loose the armor of kings,
To open before him the double doors,
So that the gates will not be shut:
2 ‘I will go before you
And make the crooked places straight;
I will break in pieces the gates of bronze
And cut the bars of iron.
3 I will give you the treasures of darkness
And hidden riches of secret places,
That you may know that I, the Lord,
Who call you by your name,
Am the God of Israel.
4 For Jacob My servant’s sake,
And Israel My elect,
I have even called you by your name;
I have named you, though you have not known Me.
5 I am the Lord, and there is no other;
There is no God besides Me.
I will gird you, though you have not known Me,
6 That they may know from the rising of the sun to its setting
That there is none besides Me.
I am the Lord, and there is no other.

Cyrus Decrees That The Lord's Temple Will Be Built and Commissions

The Jews Of The Captivity To Go Up For The Work

Am I The Only One To Catch The Irony Of A PERSIAN King being anointed

for the commissioning of the Lord's Temple, and is anyone surprised that

the Jews failed to pursue this effort until, as usual, the Lord sent prophets.

2 Chronicles 36:

22 Now in the first year of Cyrus king of Persia, that the word of the Lord by the mouth of Jeremiah might be fulfilled, the Lord stirred up the spirit of Cyrus king of Persia, so that he made a proclamation throughout all his kingdom, and also put it in writing, saying,

23 Thus says Cyrus king of Persia:

All the kingdoms of the earth the Lord God of heaven has given me. And He has commanded me to build Him a house at Jerusalem which is in Judah. Who is among you of all His people? May the Lord his God be with him, and let him go up!

This word would not have been limited to the captivity of Judah in Babylon

Solomon Built A Temple For Israel By The Pattern Received By King David

1 Chronicles 28:

9 “As for you, my son Solomon, know the God of your father, and serve Him with a loyal heart and with a willing mind; for the Lord searches all hearts and understands all the intent of the thoughts. If you seek Him, He will be found by you; but if you forsake Him, He will cast you off forever. 

10 Consider now, for the Lord has chosen you to build a house for the sanctuary; be strong, and do it.”

11 Then David gave his son Solomon the plans for the vestibule, its houses, its treasuries, its upper chambers, its inner chambers, and the place of the mercy seat; 

12 and the plans for all that he had by the Spirit, of the courts of the house of the Lord, of all the chambers all around, of the treasuries of the house of God, and of the treasuries for the dedicated things; 

13 also for the division of the priests and the Levites, for all the work of the service of the house of the Lord, and for all the articles of service in the house of the Lord. 

The Temple of Cyrus Was For All Nations By The Vision of Ezekiel

Ezekiel 43:

10 Son of man, describe the temple to the house of Israel, that they may be

ashamed of their iniquities; and let them measure the pattern. 

11 And if they are ashamed of all that they have done, make known to them the design

of the temple and its arrangement, its exits and its entrances, its entire design and all its ordinances,

all its forms and all its laws. Write it down in their sight, so that they may keep its whole design

and all its ordinances, and perform them. 

12 This is the law of the temple: The whole area

surrounding the mountaintop is most holy. Behold, this is the law of the temple.

A House of Prayer For All Nations

Isaiah 56:

6 “Also the sons of the foreigner
Who join themselves to the Lord, to serve Him,
And to love the name of the Lord, to be His servants—
Everyone who keeps from defiling the Sabbath,
And holds fast My covenant—
7 Even them I will bring to My holy mountain,
And make them joyful in My house of prayer.
Their burnt offerings and their sacrifices
Will be accepted on My altar;
For My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations.”
8 The Lord God, who gathers the outcasts of Israel, says,
“Yet I will gather to him
Others besides those who are gathered to him.”

The Jews Who Returned From The Captivity Refused To Build For Cyrus,

And Had To Be Prodded To Attempt What Proved To Be An Inferior Temple

Which Was Built During The Reign Of Darius

Haggai 1:

3 Then the word of the Lord came by Haggai the prophet, saying, 

4 “Is it time for you yourselves to dwell in your paneled houses, and this temple to lie in ruins?” 

5 Now therefore, thus says the Lord of hosts: “Consider your ways!

6 “You have sown much, and bring in little;
You eat, but do not have enough;
You drink, but you are not filled with drink;
You clothe yourselves, but no one is warm;
And he who earns wages,
Earns wages to put into a bag with holes.”

7 Thus says the Lord of hosts: “Consider your ways! 

8 Go up to the mountains and bring wood and build the temple, that I may take pleasure in it and be glorified,” says the Lord. 

9 “You looked for much, but indeed it came to little; and when you brought it home, I blew it away. Why?” says the Lord of hosts. “Because of My house that is in ruins, while every one of you runs to his own house. 

10 Therefore the heavens above you withhold the dew, and the earth withholds its fruit. 

11 For I called for a drought on the land and the mountains, on the grain and the new wine and the oil, on whatever the ground brings forth, on men and livestock, and on all the labor of your hands.”

The Temple Mount Was Raised Up And The Temple Adorned By Herod, Which Was Dedicated To Destruction

Mark 11:

17 Then He taught, saying to them, “Is it not written, ‘My house shall be called a house of prayer for all nations’? But you have made it a ‘den of thieves.’ ”

18 And the scribes and chief priests heard it and sought how they might destroy Him; for they feared Him, because all the people were astonished at His teaching. 

[Mr. M]

All of this ranting about Ezekiel's vision being a prophecy for an end time, millennial third temple is all in blatant contradiction to the teachings of the apostles and prophets, upon whom the foundation of the true temple. You trust in lying words believing that a man made temple has any value to the King of heaven.

2 Samuel 7:7 Wherever I have moved about with all the children of Israel, have I ever spoken a word to anyone from the tribes of Israel, whom I commanded to shepherd My people Israel, saying, ‘Why have you not built Me a house of cedar?

The first temple was to honor David's request, for the love he had for the Lord. The second temple was not for Israel, it was to be for the nations, to prepare them for the coming of the Prince of Peace. They made it into a den of thieves. There is no faith that can be placed in a man made temple, ever.

Jeremiah 7:

3 Thus says the Lord of hosts, the God of Israel: “Amend your ways and your doings, and I will cause you to dwell in this place. 

4 Do not trust in these lying words, saying, ‘The temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord, the temple of the Lord are these.’

22 For I did not speak to your fathers, or command them in the day that I brought them out of the land of Egypt, concerning burnt offerings or sacrifices. 

23 But this is what I commanded them, saying, ‘Obey My voice, and I will be your God, and you shall be My people. And walk in all the ways that I have commanded you, that it may be well with you.’

Psalm 40:6 Sacrifice and offering You did not desire;
My ears You have opened.
Burnt offering and sin offering You did not require.
7 Then I said, “Behold, I come;
In the scroll of the book it is written of me.
8 I delight to do Your will, O my God,
And Your law is within my heart.”

Hebrews 10:5 Therefore, when He came into the world, He said:

“Sacrifice and offering You did not desire,
But a body You have prepared for Me.
6 In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin
You had no pleasure.
7 Then I said, ‘Behold, I have come—
In the volume of the book it is written of Me—
To do Your will, O God.’ ”

8 Previously saying, “Sacrifice and offering, burnt offerings, and offerings for sin You did not desire, nor had pleasure in them” (which are offered according to the law), 

9 then He said, “Behold, I have come to do Your will, O God.” He takes away the first that He may establish the second. 

10 By that will we have been sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

Isaiah 66:1 Thus says the Lord:

“Heaven is My throne,
And earth is My footstool.
Where is the house that you will build Me?
And where is the place of My rest?
2 For all those things My hand has made,
And all those things exist,”
Says the Lord.
“But on this one will I look:
On him who is poor and of a contrite spirit,
And who trembles at My word.

3 “He who kills a bull is as if he slays a man;
He who sacrifices a lamb, as if he breaks a dog’s neck;
He who offers a grain offering, as if he offers swine’s blood;
He who burns incense, as if he blesses an idol.
Just as they have chosen their own ways,
And their soul delights in their abominations,
4 So will I choose their delusions,
And bring their fears on them;
Because, when I called, no one answered,
When I spoke they did not hear;
But they did evil before My eyes,
And chose that in which I do not delight.”

Acts 7:47-51 But Solomon built Him a house.

However, the Most High does not dwell in temples made with hands,

as the prophet says: 

‘Heaven is My throne, And earth is My footstool.
What house will you build for Me? says the Lord,
Or what is the place of My rest?
Has My hand not made all these things?’

You stiff-necked and uncircumcised in heart and ears!

You always resist the Holy Spirit; as your fathers did, so do you.

Acts 17:24-31 God, who made the world and everything in it, since He is Lord of heaven and earth, does not dwell in temples made with hands. Nor is He worshiped with men’s hands, as though He needed anything, since He gives to all life, breath, and all things. And He has made from one blood every nation of men to dwell on all the face of the earth, and has determined their pre-appointed times and the boundaries of their dwellings, so that they should seek the Lord, in the hope that they might grope for Him and find Him, though He is not far from each one of us; for in Him we live and move and have our being, as also some of your own poets have said, ‘For we are also His offspring.’ Therefore, since we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Divine Nature is like gold or silver or stone, something shaped by art and man’s devising. Truly, these times of ignorance God overlooked, but now commands all men everywhere to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead.”

John 4:21-24 Jesus said to her, “Woman, believe Me, the hour is coming when you will neither on this mountain, nor in Jerusalem, worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we know what we worship, for salvation is of the Jews. 23 But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshipers will worship the Father in spirit and truth; for the Father is seeking such to worship Him. God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth.”

Matthew 12:1-7 At that time Jesus went through the grain fields on the Sabbath. And His disciples were hungry, and began to pluck heads of grain and to eat. And when the Pharisees saw it, they said to Him, “Look, Your disciples are doing what is not lawful to do on the Sabbath!” But He said to them, “Have you not read what David did when he was hungry, he and those who were with him: how he entered the house of God and ate the showbread which was not lawful for him to eat, nor for those who were with him, but only for the priests? Or have you not read in the law that on the Sabbath the priests in the temple profane the Sabbath, and are blameless? Yet I say to you that in this place there is One greater than the temple.  But if you had known what this means, ‘I desire mercy and not sacrifice,’ you would not have condemned the guiltless.