Project 144,000

[Revelation Man]

On 4/7/2025 at 10:36 AM, 1to3 said:

Even Finding 12,000 individuals with distinct DNA profiles for each of 12 different nations, then have all of them virgins at more or less the same time, is a daunting task, to put it mildly. 

But with God All things are possible.

One thing appears very clear, that from those 12 nations, what God is looking for is: untainted  DNA

Think back to an Old Testament statement by God He said he had "Saved unto Himself 7000 men who had not bent the knee to Baal" This never represented 7000 Jewish men per se, it really represented Completion x Divine Completion 7 x 10 x 10 x 10. Its God lingo, or coded info. In other words God has not given Israel over in full, they will one day be a nation that arises again that serves God the Father, by accepting their Messiah/Sacrifice.

In Zech. 13:8-9 the number given is a ratio, we see that 1/3 of the nation of Israel repent, then in the very next verse Zech. 14:1-2 we se the DOTL arrives. and Jerusalem gets sacked.

So, the 144,000 just like the 7000 is an encoded message. They are not all male just like the 10 Virgin Brides are not all female. One was first, the Jews, thus they get the male designation. The number 10 = Completion so the 10 virgins represent Complete Christendom. 

10 equals Completion and 12 equals fulness

12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 is God shouting at us this is ALL Israel who repent, the complete and full number of Jewish people who get Sealed by the Holy Spirit, both men, women & children.

Fulness x Completion is God telling us the true number is actually none of our business, and that He was was never going to give Satan 2000-2500 years to plan for the true number, thus the number given as 7 x 10 x 10 x 10 = 7000 and the 144,000 = Fulness x Completion and the 1/3 in Zech. 13:8-9. 

Notice, I contend the Seals unseal God's Wrath and are not wrath, they predict or prophesy what is coming as soon as the 7th Seal is taken off the Bound Scroll of Wrath  which contain the 7 Trumpet Judgments. This makes Rev. 7 a Fleeing Judea Scene chapter, those Jews who repent (All Israel who repent) will flee JUST BEFORE God's Wrath falls in Rev. 8.

Edited May 20 by Revelation Man

[In1]

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

Think back to an Old Testament statement by God He said he had "Saved unto Himself 7000 men who had not bent the knee to Baal" This never represented 7000 Jewish men per se, it really represented Completion x Divine Completion 7 x 10 x 10 x 10. Its God lingo, or coded info. In other words God has not given Israel over in full, they will one day be a nation that arises again that serve God the Father, by accepting their Messiah/Sacrifice.

In Zech. 13:8-9 the number given is a ratio, we see that 1/3 of the nation of Israel repent, then in the very next verse Zech. 14:1-2 we se the DOTL arrives. and Jerusalem gets sacked.

So, the 144,000 just like the 7000 is an encoded message. They are not all male just like the 10 Virgin Brides are not all female. One was first, the Jews, thus they get the male designation. The number 10 = Completion so the 10 virgins represent Complete Christendom. 

10 equals Completion and 12 equals fulness

12 x 12 x 10 x 10 x 10 is God shouting at us this is ALL Israel who repent, the complete and full number of Jewish people who get Sealed by the Holy Spirit, both men, women & children.

Fulness x Completion is God telling us the true number is actually none of our business, and that He is was never going to five Satan 2000-2500 years to plan for the true number, thus the number given as 7 x 10 = 7000 and the 144,000 = Fulness x Completion and the 1/3 in Zech. 13:8-9. 

Notice, I contend the Seals unseal God's Wrath and are not wrath, they predict or prophesy what is coming as soon as the 7th Seal is taken off the Bound Scroll of Wrath  which contain the 7 Trumpet Judgments. This makes Rev. 7 a Fleeing Judea Scene, those Jews who repent (All Israel who repent) will flee JUST BEFORE God's Wrath falls in Rev. 8.

I would say ten is the law (or a law (and by extension, of our mother) ... and it reveals a judgment in relationship to thought, and has more to do with a process happening in us, both individually, and collectively ... just as the story of Abram and Hagar and when Sarah gives her to be his wife ... it's the garden scenario ... and Abram harkened unto his wife ...

A 2nd forty

Edited May 19 by In1

[Revelation Man]

6 hours ago, In1 said:

I would say ten is the law (or a law (and by extension, of our mother) ... and it reveals a judgment in relationship to thought, and has more to do with a process happening in us, both individually, and collectively ... just as the story of Abram and Hagar and when Sarah gives her to be his wife ... it's the garden scenario ... and Abram harkened unto his wife ...

A 2nd forty

The 10 Commandments was a STAND IN for "all the law" Jesus later said 2 laws in being kept could be the same as keeping all the laws. Notice its 10 plagues on Egypt.

Its God lingo, remember the Hebrew language had only 4000 words in Moses' time, thus words had many meanings like YOWM, it meat about 50 things to do with time, not just ONE DAY. So, God also used numbers to give us information. 

[Frits]

On 12/20/2023 at 3:41 AM, JohnD said:

The 144,000 are from Jewish tribes.

Greetings Br. @JohnD

The book of Revelation belongs to the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ. And everything written in the book of Revelation is exclusively for the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ. In chapter 1:11 He clearly indicates for whom the contents of Revelation are specifically intended:

'Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.' (Rev. 1:11)

And finally in the last chapter of Revelation the Lord Jesus Christ emphasizes again:

'I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.'
(Rev. 22:16)

May the Holy Spirit bless you.

[In1]

9 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

The 10 Commandments was a STAND IN for "all the law" Jesus later said 2 laws in being kept could be the same as keeping all the laws. Notice its 10 plagues on Egypt.

Its God lingo, remember the Hebrew language had only 4000 words in Moses' time, thus words had many meanings like YOWM, it meat about 50 things to do with time, not just ONE DAY. So, God also used numbers to give us information. 

I agree (and seems (among others) that Jude did to), numbers are very important in the language of God whether literal numbers or numbers that are represented in picture form.

Adam's choice is indemnified in his sons, and why a statement such "not defiled with women" is used to help describe the 144,000 (man/6th day/ 24 hours in a day/ 144/ times 1000, a number denoting fulness).

Edited May 20 by In1

[JohnD]

6 hours ago, Frits said:

Greetings Br. @JohnD

The book of Revelation belongs to the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ. And everything written in the book of Revelation is exclusively for the Church of the Lord Jesus Christ. In chapter 1:11 He clearly indicates for whom the contents of Revelation are specifically intended:

'Saying, I am Alpha and Omega, the first and the last: and, What thou seest, write in a book, and send it unto the seven churches which are in Asia; unto Ephesus, and unto Smyrna, and unto Pergamos, and unto Thyatira, and unto Sardis, and unto Philadelphia, and unto Laodicea.' (Rev. 1:11)

And finally in the last chapter of Revelation the Lord Jesus Christ emphasizes again:

'I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.'
(Rev. 22:16)

May the Holy Spirit bless you.

The late mention of the Churches in Revelation 22:16 is recapping to the receivers of the book of Revelation before the time the Church is taken out (prior to the Great Tribulation) an event which has yet (even to this day) to take place.  Once it does, the focus will be on the Jewish people again.

[Frits]

13 minutes ago, JohnD said:

The late mention of the Churches in Revelation 22:16 is recapping to the receivers of the book of Revelation before the time the Church is taken out (prior to the Great Tribulation) an event which has yet (even to this day) to take place.  Once it does, the focus will be on the Jewish people again.

Br. @JohnD

The Lord Jesus Christ repeatedly says that the content of what John is to write is meant for His Church. Why do you then start about the ethnic Jews?

[Michael37]

7 hours ago, Frits said:

Br. @JohnD

The Lord Jesus Christ repeatedly says that the content of what John is to write is meant for His Church. Why do you then start about the ethnic Jews?

Perhaps because it is important for the ekklesia (aka church) to be aware of the connection.

The ekklesia of God is often understood as the assembly of believers, and its connection to original Israel lies in the idea of continuity between God's covenant people. In the Old Testament, Israel was called out as God's chosen nation, forming a sacred assembly (qahal). In the New Testament, the ekklesia represents the gathered community of believers in Christ, fulfilling and expanding God's covenant to include all nations. This reflects the biblical theme of God calling a people to Himself, first through Israel and then through the church.

This connection remains in the Book of Revelation.

[Alive]

1 minute ago, Michael37 said:

Perhaps because it is important for the ekklesia (aka church) to be aware of the connection.

The ekklesia of God is often understood as the assembly of believers, and its connection to original Israel lies in the idea of continuity between God's covenant people. In the Old Testament, Israel was called out as God's chosen nation, forming a sacred assembly (qahal). In the New Testament, the ekklesia represents the gathered community of believers in Christ, fulfilling and expanding God's covenant to include all nations. This reflects the biblical theme of God calling a people to Himself, first through Israel and then through the church.

 

Amen…and finally all joined in unity in the one Olive tree. I await that day.

[Frits]

19 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Perhaps because it is important for the ekklesia (aka church) to be aware of the connection.

The ekklesia of God is often understood as the assembly of believers, and its connection to original Israel lies in the idea of continuity between God's covenant people.

Greetings br @Michael37,

There is no connection between God's born again people who love and worship the Lord Jesus Christ, and those who do not love the Lord Jesus Christ and reject Him! Not even when those unbelievers live in the Middle East country of Israel and are circumcised in the flesh.

The Church of the Lord Jesus Christ has been persecuted by these unbelieving Jews after the day of Pentecost, and even today the Gospel of the Lord Jesus Christ is not welcome among the people of Israel in the Middle East! (Matt.10:22) 

There has never been any 'continuity' between Judaizers and born again Christians, only hatred and persecution, which is why the first Christians had to flee to Damascus and Antioch, for example. (Acts 11)

Edited May 21 by Frits