Horns On Heads Of Beasts

[Michael37]

6 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

But, Michael, I believe God does.

`The fourth beast shall be a fourth kingdom on earth, which shall be different from all other kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, trample it and break it in pieces. ` (Dan. 7: 23)

And this is 3 1/2 years before the Lord sets up His rule through Israel. (Dan. 7: 25 - 27)

The phrases "whole earth" and "whole world"  are figures of speech often used to indicate widespread invasion, influence, and impact, which the Roman Empire certainly achieved. See hyperbole definition.

[Diaste]

11 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Daniel's Vision Of Four Beasts: (Seven Heads & Ten Horns Total + One Little Horn)

Dan 7:1-6  In the first year of Belshazzar king of Babylon, Daniel had a dream and visions of his head while on his bed. Then he wrote down the dream, telling the main facts.  (2)  Daniel spoke, saying, "I saw in my vision by night, and behold, the four winds of heaven were stirring up the Great Sea.  (3)  And four great beasts came up from the sea, each different from the other.  (4)  The first was like a lion, and had eagle's wings. I watched till its wings were plucked off; and it was lifted up from the earth and made to stand on two feet like a man, and a man's heart was given to it.  (5)  "And suddenly another beast, a second, like a bear. It was raised up on one side, and had three ribs in its mouth between its teeth. And they said thus to it: 'Arise, devour much flesh!'  (6)  "After this I looked, and there was another, like a leopard, which had on its back four wings of a bird. The beast also had four heads, and dominion was given to it.

This beast was like a leopard with four heads, and four wings of a fowl at the back of it ( Daniel 7:6). This beast represents the Grecian empire, the third superpower of the ancient world. Led by Alexander the Great, the Grecian army defeated Persia's Darius III at the battle of Arbela in 331 B. C. Just as the eagle's wings on the back of the lion denoted speed of conquest at war, the four wings of a fowl at the back of this leopard represent an unparalleled speed of conquest at war. If Babylon was swift in conquering nations, the Grecian empire was unsurpassed under the leadership of Alexander the great. By the time Alexander was 33 years, he had the world at his feet. Even though he conquered the world within a very short period, he could not conquer himself. He died of a fever which was brought on by excessive intake of alcohol. When he was about to die, he was asked the straightforward question: To whom will you leave the kingdom? And his reply was; "the strongest". Within a period of 20 years the Grecian empire was plunged into civil war as the generals of Alexander the great tested their strength against each other. It was not until the Battle of Ipsus in 301 B. C., that four of Alexander's generals divided the Grecian empire among themselves. These four generals were Cassander, Lysimachus, Ptolemy and Seleucus. Cassander took Greece and Macedonia; Lysimachus took Thrace, Bithynia, Pergamum and much of Asia Minor; Ptolemy took Egypt, Lybia, and Palestine; while Seleucus took over Asia Minor, Syria, and Persia which included Babylon. Thus friends, the four heads of the leopard represent the four generals who took over the Grecian empire after the demise of Alexander the great. Greece ruled the ancient world from 331 B. C. to 168 B. C.
 

Dan 7:7-8  After this, in my vision of the night, I saw a fourth beast, a thing causing fear and very troubling, full of power and very strong; and it had great iron teeth: it took its food, crushing some of it to bits and stamping down the rest with its feet: it was different from all the beasts before it; and it had ten horns.  (8)  I was watching the horns with care, and I saw another coming up among them, a little one, before which three of the first horns were pulled up by the roots: and there were eyes like a man's eyes in this horn, and a mouth saying great things.

Ministering Angel's Interpretation:

Dan 7:23-25  This is what he said: The fourth beast is a fourth kingdom which will come on earth, different from all the kingdoms, and it will overcome all the earth, crushing it down and smashing it.  (24)  And as for the ten horns, out of this kingdom ten kings will come to power; and after them another will come up: he will be different from the first ones and will put down three kings.  (25)  And he will say words against the Most High, attempting to put an end to the saints of the Most High; and he will have the idea of changing times and law; and the saints will be given into his hands for a time and times and half a time.  

Divine Judgment:

Dan 7:9-12  CEV Thrones were set up while I was watching, and the Eternal God took his place. His clothing and his hair were white as snow. His throne was a blazing fire with fiery wheels,  (10)  and flames were dashing out from all around him. Countless thousands were standing there to serve him. The time of judgment began, and the books were opened.  (11)  I watched closely to see what would happen to this smaller horn because of the arrogant things it was saying. Then before my very eyes, the fourth beast was killed and its body destroyed by fire.  (12)  The other three beasts had their authority taken from them, but they were allowed to live a while longer.

Dan 7:26-28  But the judge will be seated, and they will put an end to his authority, to overcome it and send complete destruction on it.  (27)  And the kingdom and the authority and the power of the kingdoms under all the heaven will be given to the people of the saints of the Most High: his kingdom is an eternal kingdom, and all powers will be his servants and do his pleasure.  (28)  Here is the end of the account. As for me, Daniel, I was greatly troubled by my thoughts, and the colour went from my face: but I kept the thing in my heart.

John's Vision Of Two Beasts: (Seven Heads & Ten Horns + Two Lamb-like Horns )

Rev 13:1-2  And I stood on the sand of the sea, and I saw a beast coming up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns. And on its horns were ten crowns, and on its heads was the name of blasphemy.  (2)  And the beast which I saw was like a leopard, and its feet like those of a bear, and its mouth like the mouth of a lion. And the dragon gave him its power and its seat and great authority.
 

Nice work connecting the prophecies! 

Another connection is Dan 8 and the little horn that comes up among the four horns of the rough goat. 

This is the same little horn that casts down 3 of the 10 in Dan 7. The little horn in Dan 8 arises from one of the kingdoms, the notable ones, that arose after Alexander. 

That means the little horn arises from Macedonia, Asia Minor, Egypt or Mesopotamia. 

[Diaste]

6 hours ago, Michael37 said:

The phrases "whole earth" and "whole world"  are figures of speech often used to indicate widespread invasion, influence, and impact, which the Roman Empire certainly achieved. See hyperbole definition.

I would argue the Mongols and Islam had a far greater effect on the earth than Rome ever did. 

I think 'kol ara' isn't hyperbole. Both are strong terms and comprehensive when taken together. 

This is literally saying 'the entire ground'. No empire has come close. The Mongols had the most land area at one point, Islam wiped out the most 'infidels'. What's hyperbole is to say there were kings that ruled the entire earth. Generally it was some large area of land only. 

'Kol' indicates the 'whole' in context. The context here is the whole land area of the earth, as there is no qualifier limiting the scope.

So it's not 'widespread', it's 'entire'. 

[Michael37]

8 hours ago, Diaste said:

I would argue the Mongols and Islam had a far greater effect on the earth than Rome ever did. 

I think 'kol ara' isn't hyperbole. Both are strong terms and comprehensive when taken together. 

This is literally saying 'the entire ground'. No empire has come close. The Mongols had the most land area at one point, Islam wiped out the most 'infidels'. What's hyperbole is to say there were kings that ruled the entire earth. Generally it was some large area of land only. 

'Kol' indicates the 'whole' in context. The context here is the whole land area of the earth, as there is no qualifier limiting the scope.

So it's not 'widespread', it's 'entire'. 

Yes, all that is true of the word meanings both in Hebrew and English, but as the whole world knows, idioms and figures of speech always have their roots in actualities while they themselves branch out into convenience rather than conciseness.

Rome as a type or example replaces the actuality of Rome as a geopolitical force, and even a casual reading of Apocalyptic Scripture can lead to the realisation that a spiritual element is behind the rise and fall of earthly empires.

[Marilyn C]

16 hours ago, Michael37 said:

The phrases "whole earth" and "whole world"  are figures of speech often used to indicate widespread invasion, influence, and impact, which the Roman Empire certainly achieved. See hyperbole definition.

There will be a fourth kingdom on the earth 3 1/2 years before the Lord sets up His rule through Israel over the nations of the world. (Dan. 7: 23 - 27)

And we know that the last Gentile kingdom rule, Political and economic power and authority does extend to people having to have their authorization to `buy and sell.` 

[Michael37]

30 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

There will be a fourth kingdom on the earth 3 1/2 years before the Lord sets up His rule through Israel over the nations of the world. (Dan. 7: 23 - 27)

Revelation resets the kingdom count.

Rev 17:9-11  This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated;  (10)  they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while.  (11)  As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to destruction.
 

[Marilyn C]

17 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

Revelation resets the kingdom count.

Rev 17:9-11  This calls for a mind with wisdom: the seven heads are seven mountains on which the woman is seated;  (10)  they are also seven kings, five of whom have fallen, one is, the other has not yet come, and when he does come he must remain only a little while.  (11)  As for the beast that was and is not, it is an eighth but it belongs to the seven, and it goes to destruction.
 

Good point, and with all the `kings` one can get confused. So, let`s go carefully. 

The Final Gentile Global Government - 7 Leader/heads who rule consecutively. (5 gone, 6th is and 7th to come)

The Final Federation over the other nations - 10 kings who will rule with the 7th leader, (A/C)

 

[Marilyn C]

[Michael37]

57 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Good point, and with all the `kings` one can get confused. So, let`s go carefully. 

The Final Gentile Global Government - 7 Leader/heads who rule consecutively. (5 gone, 6th is and 7th to come)

The Final Federation over the other nations - 10 kings who will rule with the 7th leader, (A/C)

 

Historical Positioning Of Blasphemous Empires Actualising Satanic Tyranny (BEAST)

From my notes:

Depicted metaphorically as the Dragon in Revelation 12 Satan is wearing 7 crowns on his 7 heads.

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Crowns symbolise sovereignty.
Heads symbolise control.

We don't read of the Beast from the Sea wearing crowns on its heads which implies the control they exercise is due to the sovereignty of Satan rather than of unregenerate mankind, given that the Beast actualises Satanic tyranny throughout history.

Horns symbolise enforcement, which the Beast exercises sovereignty in with 10 crowns on its horns.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
 

[Marilyn C]

16 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

Historical Positioning Of Blasphemous Empires Actualising Satanic Tyranny (BEAST)

From my notes:

Depicted metaphorically as the Dragon in Revelation 12 Satan is wearing 7 crowns on his 7 heads.

Rev 12:3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.

Crowns symbolise sovereignty.
Heads symbolise control.

We don't read of the Beast from the Sea wearing crowns on its heads which implies the control they exercise is due to the sovereignty of Satan rather than of unregenerate mankind, given that the Beast actualises Satanic tyranny throughout history.

Horns symbolise enforcement, which the Beast exercises sovereignty in with 10 crowns on its horns.

Rev 13:1 And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
 

I see you like diagrams too. It always helps, so thanks.

I would agree that the final Gentile Global Government is Satanically empowered.

And it seems we agree that `crowns` symbolize sovereignty, Political, and `heads` control, authority.

Yes, the dragon we are told is Satan, who has 7 crowned heads and 10 horns. I believe that it depicts Satan with (7) complete Political power, (Rev. 13: 4 `they worshipped the dragon who gave authority to the beast...` ) and the 10 horns is complete  lawlessness. (2 Thess. 2: 9 `the coming of the lawless one...` )

 

I agree that the beast (Global Government) from the sea (of the wicked) doesn`t have crowns on its heads, as you say due to the sovereignty of Satan.

The crowns on its horns, I believe, indicates Political authority of the 10 kings which make a Federation that rules over the other nations of the world.

`And the 10 horns which you saw are 10 kings....(they will) ...be of one mind to give their kingdom to the beast, (leader A/C).` (Rev. 17: 12  & 17)