DANIEL’S 70th WEEK – (The Gap Theory)

[Revelation Man]

22 hours ago, douggg said:

Copy and paste Daniel 12:11 from the translation you are using. 

The phrase "the 1290" is not in the bible.    "1290" is an adjective to describe the noun "days".

Use proper English grammar.  "1290 days"

My goodness can you not ADD, can you nit understand Prophecy and its riddles? It seems not tbh. Its my calling, its clearly not yours however.

Dan. 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Matt. 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

So, how hard is this to understand? It's not hard at all, it just destroys your whole thesis so you "PRETEND" its not what it actually is.

There is is in verse 11 in Dan. 12, you still want to say its not there when you know it is? I do not need permission to call it the 1290 event, I am actually called unto Prophecy, and understand it.

22 hours ago, douggg said:

"word sausage"  ?    No one knows what you are talking about.   

 

You trying to deny that the 1290 is in the bible us word sausage. 

22 hours ago, douggg said:

The fulcrum point to the 1290 days and the 1335 days in Daniel 12:11-12 is when the AoD is setup.    

 

NO..........Daniel asks the question, what will be the end of all these things. Just like the Angel in vs. 6 asks Jesus when will all these wonders end. How is it you can't understand the 1260 event ends at Jesus' 2nd coming but the EXACT SAME Question is asked and you do not understand the 2nd coming ENDS ALL THESE THINGS via vs. 8 also !!

 

22 hours ago, douggg said:

The AoD setup triggers the great tribulation - Matthew 24:15-21

The great tribulation last 1335 days.    During which the trumpet judgements, the woes, the vials of God's wrath, all take place.      Jesus returns on his 2nd Coming day and ends the great tribulation.  The end point of the 7 year 70th week of Daniel 9:27.

The AoD does no such thing, its a WARNING to the Jews that they have 30 days to get out of Judea, unto the Petra/Bozrah area. 

The Greatest Ever Troubles starts with the Asteroid Impact, only then , at that time, is the Anti-Christ is allowed to go forth conquering, thus vs. 7 tells us this great troubles lasts for 1260 days. You might want to listen to those who are in the know on this brother, clearly you are not in the know. When we get to heaven it will be a WHITEWASH, everything I stated will be correct, but at that time I will not get to dunk over you.

God Bless

[douggg]

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

Dan. 12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

See?    The text says "1290 days"   not "the 1290" term you created.

1 hour ago, Revelation Man said:

Matt. 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.

So, how hard is this to understand? It's not hard at all, it just destroys your whole thesis so you "PRETEND" its not what it actually is.

The abomination of desolation standing in the holy place is the fulcrum point for the beginning of the 1290 days and the 1335 days.

Okay, you have your bible open to Matthew 24:15, now start reading.     From Matthew 24:15 there are 1290 days until the world seeing the sign of of the Son of Man in heaven.

And if you keep reading another 45 days will pass between the sign of the Son of Man in heaven and then all the tribes of the earth see Jesus coming in the clouds with power and great glory.   The end of the 1335 days.    

So, how hard is that to understand ?     Your scenario provides no reason, nor time for the kings of the earth to gather their armies together at Armageddon to make war on Jesus.

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7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

If you contracted someone to build you a house, and he said that it would be finished in 1260 days, do all of the components of the house are completed at the same time ? 

No, first the foundation is finished, then the floor is finished, then the walls are finished, then the roof finished.    All of those finished in 1260 days, but not each component finished at the same time.  

The 1290 days and the 1335 days represent components of the 7 years.    Neither fits totally within 1260 days.

The 1290 days is finished when the world sees the sign of the Son of Man in heaven.

The 1335 days is finished when Jesus descends down to this earth coming in the clouds with power and great glory.

 

Edited January 5, 2024 by douggg

[Charlie744]

2 minutes ago, douggg said:

See?    The says "1290 days"   not "the 1290" term you created.

The abomination of desolation standing in the holy place is the fulcrum point for the beginning of the 1290 days and the 1335 days.

Okay, you have your bible open to Matthew 24:15, now start reading.     From Matthew 24:15 there are 1290 days until the world seeing the sign of of the Son of Man in heaven.

And if you keep reading another 45 days will pass between the sign of the Son of Man in heaven and then the all the tribes of the earth see Jesus coming in the clouds with power and great glory.   The end of the 1335 days.    

So, how hard is that to understand ?     Your scenario provides no reason, nor time for the kings of the earth to gather their armies together at Armageddon to make war on Jesus.

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7 And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished.

If you contracted someone to build you a house, and he said that it would be finished in 1260 days, do all of the components of the house are completed at the same time ? 

No, first the foundation is finished, then the floor is finished, then the walls are finished, then the roof finished.    All of those finished in 1260 days, but not each component finished as the same time.  

The 1290 days and the 1335 days represent components of the 7 years.    Neither fits within 1260 days.

The 1290 days is finished when the world sees the sign of the Son of Man in heaven.

The 1335 days is finished when Jesus descends down to this earth coming in the clouds with power and great glory.

 

Dougg, if you are willing, would you like to walk through 9:24 - 27 with me (verse by verse) and WITHOUT bringing in ANY verses from the NT? 
 

I have found that almost all people answer Daniel with verses found in Revelation. 
 

If we were to discuss Genesis or Jeremiah we would not look to Revelation for its interpretation.

If you want to try this approach, I would get a clear understanding of when / why our interpretations differ so much. But this can only be accomplished if we stay WITHIN Daniel. Because Daniel was written for the Jews and the prophecies of the coming Messiah. 
 

If you don’t want to try this - no problem at all!

Thanks? Charlie 
 

 

[douggg]

1 minute ago, Charlie744 said:

Dougg, if you are willing, would you like to walk through 9:24 - 27 with me (verse by verse) and WITHOUT bringing in ANY verses from the NT? 
 

I have found that almost all people answer Daniel with verses found in Revelation. 
 

If we were to discuss Genesis or Jeremiah we would not look to Revelation for its interpretation.

If you want to try this approach, I would get a clear understanding of when / why our interpretations differ so much. But this can only be accomplished if we stay WITHIN Daniel. Because Daniel was written for the Jews and the prophecies of the coming Messiah. 
 

If you don’t want to try this - no problem at all!

Thanks? Charlie 
 

 

Go ahead Charlie, start a thread.

[Charlie744]

7 minutes ago, douggg said:

Go ahead Charlie, start a thread.

Thank you very much! 
Statement that you might respond to:

Chapter 9 is a Messianic prophecy that begins with Daniel’s prayer of forgiveness for himself and the people of Israel. Within this prayer it references the “Covenant” that God entered into His people. 
 

Statement #2: Verses 24-27 are Messianic prophecies that are concerned with the physical and spiritual restoration of the Jews, their Temple, walls and streets, and restoration of all the Levitical ceremonies, practices, etc. The purpose of the 70 weeks of years prophecy is the restoration of all things from the Babylonian captivity and the complete destruction of Israel. 
 

So, please respond to these two statements. Thanks, Charlie 

[douggg]

5 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Thank you very much! 
Statement that you might respond to:

Chapter 9 is a Messianic prophecy that begins with Daniel’s prayer of forgiveness for himself and the people of Israel. Within this prayer it references the “Covenant” that God entered into His people. 
 

Statement #2: Verses 24-27 are Messianic prophecies that are concerned with the physical and spiritual restoration of the Jews, their Temple, walls and streets, and restoration of all the Levitical ceremonies, practices, etc. The purpose of the 70 weeks of years prophecy is the restoration of all things from the Babylonian captivity and the complete destruction of Israel. 
 

So, please respond to these two statements. Thanks, Charlie 

Charlie, please start a separate thread and I will discuss with you Daniel 9.  If I might suggest a title - Daniel 9 using only the verses in the Tanach (old testament).

Edited January 5, 2024 by douggg

[douggg]

16 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Chapter 9 is a Messianic prophecy that begins with Daniel’s prayer of forgiveness for himself and the people of Israel. Within this prayer it references the “Covenant” that God entered into His people. 

Chapter 9 includes Messianic prophecies, but contains other prophecies as well, not applying to the messiah.

17 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Statement #2: Verses 24-27 are Messianic prophecies that are concerned with the physical and spiritual restoration of the Jews, their Temple, walls and streets, and restoration of all the Levitical ceremonies, practices, etc. The purpose of the 70 weeks of years prophecy is the restoration of all things from the Babylonian captivity and the complete destruction of Israel. 

Verses 24-27 includes Messianic prophecies, but includes other prophecies as well, not applying to the messiah.    Verse 24 presents a list of things that will be accomplished in the 70 weeks.

[Charlie744]

15 minutes ago, douggg said:

Charlie, please start a separate thread and I will discuss with you Daniel 9.  If I might suggest a title - Daniel 9 using only the verses in the Tanach (old testament).

Ok that is fine!! I will do that later on unless you would like to author it . Thanks, Charlie 

[douggg]

Just now, Charlie744 said:

Ok that is fine!! I will do that later on unless you would like to author it . Thanks, Charlie 

Charlie, you go ahead and author it.  

[Charlie744]

1 hour ago, douggg said:

Chapter 9 includes Messianic prophecies, but contains other prophecies as well, not applying to the messiah.

Verses 24-27 includes Messianic prophecies, but includes other prophecies as well, not applying to the messiah.    Verse 24 presents a list of things that will be accomplished in the 70 weeks.

Ok, I will submit a new topic later this evening. In the meantime, and again, if this was your first time reading / studying Daniel and you just happened to be living in the first century just prior to the Messiah's arrival (no knowledge of ANY NT books), I submit you would have absolutely NO concern / consideration / thourhts / expectations, etc., about the end of the world type events. The Jews were anticipating the  coming of their Messiah but to them, that would have brought in the end of things. They were expecting Him to establish His kingdom on the earth, destroy the Romans and Jerusalem would be the center of the world once again, as it was in the time of David. 

I believe this is the ONLY way to interpret Daniel - it was written for the Jews and the City (Jerusalem). It is very difficult for folks to try and look at Daniel this way, since they have been taught to view Daniel through the lens of Revelation. And it was almost completed corrupted by the Jesuit priest (Ribera) in the 16th century when he penned the "futurist" theory throwing those Messianic verses in chapter 9 some 2000 years in the future. 

So, do you think you might be able to try and view Daniel's 70 weeks of years prophecy as if you were a first century Jew (no Revelation, no futurist theory from the 16th century)? It is not an easy task.