Why Moses and not Abraham?

[Mr. M]

39 minutes ago, farouk said:

Hi @debrakay It's interesting that although Job is not mentioned in Hebrews 11 - a list of prominent Old Testament saints - yet in a sense Job exemplifies what Hebrews 11.6 says: "But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." ............. (interesting?)

A good point with regards to Hebrews 11.

He is however, given a place of esteem in

the words of the prophet.

Ezekiel 14:12 The word of the Lord came again to me, saying: 13 Son of man, when a land sins against Me by persistent unfaithfulness, I will stretch out My hand against it; I will cut off its supply of bread, send famine on it, and cut off man and beast from it. 14 Even if these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they would deliver only themselves by their righteousness, says the Lord God.

Were these three men righteous by faith alone, or faith demonstrated by works?

[farouk]

16 minutes ago, Mr. M said:

A good point with regards to Hebrews 11.

He is however, given a place of esteem in

the words of the prophet.

Ezekiel 14:12 The word of the Lord came again to me, saying: 13 Son of man, when a land sins against Me by persistent unfaithfulness, I will stretch out My hand against it; I will cut off its supply of bread, send famine on it, and cut off man and beast from it. 14 Even if these three men, Noah, Daniel, and Job, were in it, they would deliver only themselves by their righteousness, says the Lord God.

Were these three men righteous by faith alone, or faith demonstrated by works?

James's and Ephesians2.10's points stand firm: true, saving faith is followed by works.

[Michael37]

4 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Well, this seems to be a slight departure from the topic but a nice one!

It doesn’t matter what my opinion is on this, but what the Scriptures say, or many times what I believe they say.

But this should be an easy one: In the 3rd chapter of Luke he provides the genealogy of Jesus back to Adam. So I will use round numbers to answer this question. If the genealogy amounts to 4000 years, then all you have to do is to add 5 more days.  Therefore, using 2000 years since the Messiah, everything is 6000 years and 5 days old. 

Yes, we need points of reference.

If Abraham was tasked with writing Genesis we would only have half an account of "the beginnings", since he dies in chapter 25 and the book ends with the death of Joseph in chapter 50.

Gen 25:8  And Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years, and was gathered to his people.

Gen 50:26  So Joseph died, being a hundred and ten years old: and they embalmed him, and he was put in a coffin in Egypt.

[Michael37]

2 hours ago, farouk said:

James's and Ephesians2.10's points stand firm: true, saving faith is followed by works.

The limpet on the rock. You can't separate them without damaging one or both.

[Charlie744]

4 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

Yes, we need points of reference.

If Abraham was tasked with writing Genesis we would only have half an account of "the beginnings", since he dies in chapter 25 and the book ends with the death of Joseph in chapter 50.

Gen 25:8  And Abraham gave up the ghost, and died in a good old age, an old man, and full of years, and was gathered to his people.

Gen 50:26  So Joseph died, being a hundred and ten years old: and they embalmed him, and he was put in a coffin in Egypt.

Thank you and I understand.  

[farouk]

On 1/3/2024 at 12:56 AM, other one said:

Do we know that Moses didn't have writings from the others, and he was instructed to put them all together in one book.

@other one It's interesting that 'Moses' is sometimes used as a reference to the first five books of the Bible.

[farouk]

22 hours ago, Renskedejonge said:

Aah that makes sense!

I was thinking that he was forced to learn all that stuff, being raised by pharao's daughter.

@Renskedejonge Well, in a sense Moses combined Hebrew and Egyptian wisdom, at least from an earthly perspective.

[Charlie744]

2 minutes ago, farouk said:

@Renskedejonge Well, in a sense Moses combined Hebrew and Egyptian wisdom, at least from an earthly perspective.

Staying just with Moses and putting aside why God had Moses write the first books (just for discussion purposes), the only way he could have written them is by God placing them in his mind. 

[Vipergts]

Actually, there is a perfect storm in play. Jacob is basically the end of the multi-witness line; Adam to Methuselah, Methuselah to Shem, Shem to Jacob. When looking at the ages, Adam to Jacob is that close. Along the way, would be family members that could add to, and support what needed to be known, like Noah and Abraham. Joseph has the power of pharaoh, and Egypt is voracious for information. Scribes can, and do use a cursive style of writing for daily use called hieratics. Jacob is in Egypt for 17 years. Those papyrus scrolls would have been maintained in the royal library, only used by royalty and the rich, the daughter of pharaoh, and Moses, are among the few allowed in. She says that she called him Moses because she drew him from the water, that is not what the name means. It is really only part of a name, the name of a god is suppose to complete it. Did she say that he was called Moses because she read in a scroll that someone special would be drawn from the water that was "Born to the god with no name"? A beautiful thought, but Moses was not one to spoon feed information so it is a potential perfect storm that is feasible and nothing more.