Why aren't they fleeing?

[Shilohsfoal]

2 hours ago, AdHoc said:

 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations

 (Re 13:6–7).

In a previous posting you said that the group in Mathew 24 and Revelation 6 are the same group. If they are the same group then THEY HAVE FLED. They are already hiding in the caves. And they are hiding from God's WRATH. There is no talk of then doing their Master's work. They are trying to escape:

15 And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens and in the rocks of the mountains; 16 And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the wrath of the Lamb: 17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able to stand (Re 6:15–17)

In Matthew 24 these are the words of our Lord.

15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains ...

"Let" is emphatic. It is authoritative. "LET you women be silent in the meetings ... is not a suggestion. "Let them flee" is an order.

Once the Beast is in power, the SAINTS will be overcome. Revelation 13:7 says;

6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven. 7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.

Let us forget the idea of hero Christians after the Beast has taken power.

 

Thats because the people that are fleeing in Mathew 24  and revelation 6 that are hiding are not of God.

The saints are persecuted the 3.5 years before them in judea flee to the mountains.

Look closely are the following verses.The persecution comes first .The saints are imprisoned and killed.Then the occupants of judea flee after the persecution.The occupants of judea are fleeing the wrath of God.Not the beast.

 

 

Luke 21

¹² But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

¹³ And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

¹⁴ Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

¹⁵ For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

¹⁶ And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

¹⁷ And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

¹⁸ But there shall not an hair of your head perish.

¹⁹ In your patience possess ye your souls.

²⁰ And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

 

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

²² For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

²³ But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

 

 

The book of Daniel and Luke 21 has the events in this order.

 

1-false prophet arrive and decieve many

2-persecution begins and lasts 3.5 years

2-abomination of desolation is placed and great tribulation =wrath of God-At the same time dead are raised  and Daniels people are delivered.

 

The false prophet which gives everyone in Israel the mark of the beast arrives in Israel 3.5 years before the abomination of desolation is placed

 

Mathew 24

⁴ And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

⁵ For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many

 

 

 

3.5 years between these two events.

 

 

Mathew 24

 

¹⁵ When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

¹⁶ Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

Edited January 8, 2024 by Shilohsfoal

[Shilohsfoal]

The beast that rose out of the sea is already in Israel. The false prophet arrives in Israel about a year from now.

[douggg]

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Thats because the people that are fleeing in Mathew 24  and revelation 6 that are hiding are not of God.

The saints are persecuted the 3.5 years before them in judea flee to the mountains.

Look closely are the following verses.The persecution comes first .The saints are imprisoned and killed.Then the occupants of judea flee after the persecution.The occupants of judea are fleeing the wrath of God.Not the beast.

 

 

Luke 21

¹² But before all these, they shall lay their hands on you, and persecute you, delivering you up to the synagogues, and into prisons, being brought before kings and rulers for my name's sake.

¹³ And it shall turn to you for a testimony.

¹⁴ Settle it therefore in your hearts, not to meditate before what ye shall answer:

¹⁵ For I will give you a mouth and wisdom, which all your adversaries shall not be able to gainsay nor resist.

¹⁶ And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death.

¹⁷ And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

¹⁸ But there shall not an hair of your head perish.

¹⁹ In your patience possess ye your souls.

²⁰ And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

 

21 Then let them which are in Judaea flee to the mountains; and let them which are in the midst of it depart out; and let not them that are in the countries enter thereinto.

²² For these be the days of vengeance, that all things which are written may be fulfilled.

²³ But woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck, in those days! for there shall be great distress in the land, and wrath upon this people.

 

 

The book of Daniel and Luke 21 has the events in this order.

 

1-false prophet arrive and decieve many

2-persecution begins and lasts 3.5 years

2-abomination of desolation is placed and great tribulation =wrath of God-At the same time dead are raised  and Daniels people are delivered.

 

The false prophet which gives everyone in Israel the mark of the beast arrives in Israel 3.5 years before the abomination of desolation is placed

 

Mathew 24

⁴ And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

⁵ For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many

 

 

 

3.5 years between these two events.

 

 

Mathew 24

 

¹⁵ When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)

¹⁶ Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:

You are taking verses from Luke 21 that were fulfilled in 70 ad and you are errantly placing them in the end times.

Luke 21:5-24 is about the time the temple was destroyed by the Romans.      

 

5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,

6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

 

[douggg]

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

The beast that rose out of the sea is already in Israel. The false prophet arrives in Israel about a year from now.

Are you referring to Netanyahu (if I recall you position correctly) ?    If so, Netanyahu, was born in Tel Aviv.   

And what is your basis that the false prophet arrives in Israel about a year from now ?

[Shilohsfoal]

41 minutes ago, douggg said:

You are taking verses from Luke 21 that were fulfilled in 70 ad and you are errantly placing them in the end times.

Luke 21:5-24 is about the time the temple was destroyed by the Romans.      

 

5 And as some spake of the temple, how it was adorned with goodly stones and gifts, he said,

6 As for these things which ye behold, the days will come, in the which there shall not be left one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down.

7 And they asked him, saying, Master, but when shall these things be? and what sign will there be when these things shall come to pass?

 

Luke 21 is the same speech Jesus made in Mathew 24 and mark 13.They all three are about the coming of Christ and the signs that precede his coming.

They all three begin with the arrival of the false prophet in Israel and end with the wrath of God.

Luke 21:8

⁸ And he said, Take heed that ye be not deceived: for many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and the time draweth near: go ye not therefore after them.

mathew 24

 

⁴ And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.

⁵ For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

mark 13

 

⁵ And Jesus answering them began to say, Take heed lest any man deceive you:

⁶ For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many.

[Shilohsfoal]

40 minutes ago, douggg said:

Are you referring to Netanyahu (if I recall you position correctly) ?    If so, Netanyahu, was born in Tel Aviv.   

And what is your basis that the false prophet arrives in Israel about a year from now ?

You would not be able to understand the prophecies I've been watching concerning the false prophet because you believe the false interpretation of Jason of Cyrene.

No one who believes what Jason taught would be able to understand them.

 

[douggg]

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

You would not be able to understand the prophecies I've been watching concerning the false prophet because you believe the false interpretation of Jason of Cyrene.

No one who believes what Jason taught would be able to understand them.

 

Back up your statements about....

"The beast that rose out of the sea is already in Israel. The false prophet arrives in Israel about a year from now."

 

[douggg]

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

They all three begin with the arrival of the false prophet in Israel and end with the wrath of God.

The false prophet does not claim to be Jesus.

The false Christs that Jesus was taking about were persons like Simon bar Kokba, Shabbatai Zevi.

In recent times, Jose Luis de Jesus Miranda, Vissarion of Russia, Alan John Miller of Australia.

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, douggg said:

Back up your statements about....

"The beast that rose out of the sea is already in Israel. The false prophet arrives in Israel about a year from now."

 

I don't need to back anything up for you Doug.I know what I know and there nothing you can do to disprove it .You will just have to wait.Besides,I wasn't even speaking to  you.

[debrakay]

On 1/6/2024 at 5:09 PM, Shilohsfoal said:

shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High,

The word saints in verse 25 is a Chaldean word and does mean holy one but not "The Holy One" because it says they are the "saints of the most High", which is a reference to Father God.  Same with verse 27 when Daniel says the kingdom and dominion will be given to the people of the saints.  The saints and the people are two different groups. 

To me this says the people are the congregation, the tribe, the nation, the flock.  The saints are those who are defined holy by God. Regardless of who is fleeing when and where it will be a terrible time for all life on earth.