Born Again And Born Again Scripture.

[LisaLola]

15 minutes ago, kwikphilly said:

ou speak a lot about the imperishable seed- now if anyone is a KJV studier they will say" that's not what the Bible Says,it's incorruptible seed" and there behind a dispute over TAMAHTOE/TOMATOE- sounds so silly, doesnt it?

Yes, they are the same.,.i understand when you say some have a sound doctrine, my point is Kwik, anyone can have a sound doctrine as in quoting scripture word for word.

 

The thing is, we need to be Born Again of the Spirit...not intellectual knowledge, ....plus there is no directions on how we become Born Again....no one can read themselves into becoming Born Again of the Spirit......scriptural Knowledge is meaningless if we aren’t Born Again...Jesus explains this to Nicodemus...the Holy Spirit is like the wind, you never know when he will turn up and Baptise us in the Spirit ..my friend.

Edited January 13, 2024 by LisaLola

[kwikphilly]

The reason I moved this thread is because Lisa requested Michael lock it to no further replies,so until then I told her I can hide it

I've been working with her all morning to help her fine tune her posts- she actually had a good msg and a terrible delivery ,we will work on that and hopefully it will result in unrestricted posting

She is very Receptive to learn patience and welcomes Guidance

[JohnD]

Admittedly, I've only skimmed these posts. I did note a negative reference to "beliefism" which appears to suggest belief in Jesus is not enough... that it is up to the Wind (Holy Spirit) to choose who is and isn't born again (saved). 

This has a familiar ring to it, the Calvinist / Hyper-Calvinism arguments (where in the alleged pursuit of deeper knowledge into the mechanics of salvation one redefines the simple truth of Christ into a complicated morass of either works salvation of preferential status).

Works salvation is out (Ephesians 2:8-10).

Preferential status negates choice (either for the saved or the unsaved). The Bible is replete (in every translation) with calls to CHOOSE life, TURN from sin, REPENT from unbelief to belief.

There were times in the past that I also went down a similar path (though not Calvinism per se) to define "belief" as having a criteria more complicated than simply believing... but the Lord Jesus threw a monkey wrench into that way of thinking:

"Unless you come as little children, you cannot enter the Kingdom..." meaning either:

 1. Adults cannot be saved

2. Those who are saved have abandoned all forms of works salvation (religion) and trust God as a child trusts parents and God himself.

Of course adults can be saved. So he meant that we are to abandon the religious pursuit of self salvation (Galatians 3:24-25 indicates this is a major purpose for giving the Law of Moses). ← to wean us from this persistent chasing of our own tails.

Man by nature has a terrible time accepting Grace for all that it is. (a stumbling block to legalistic Jews and foolishness to paganistic Gentiles).

To aid us in the knowledge of the truth the Spirit of Truth (John 16:13) is to be the sole Interpreter of scripture:

2 Peter 1:20–21 (KJV)
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
21 For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost.

Thus eliminating human suppositions (which can drone on and on and on for years and years) ← case in point the Calvinism v Arminianism debates (which excludes any other options than those two, though there is at least one more option).

Ephesians 2:8–10 (KJV)
8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.
10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

For by grace

are ye saved

through faith;

and that not of yourselves:

it is the gift of God:

Faith = belief and trust and even it is not of our ability to believe or trust but by God's mercy he gives us that faith belief trust hope.

And it is available to all who choose to believe (1 Timothy 4:10 / 1 John 2:2 / John 3:16-18).

John 6:29 / John 16:27 also supports this simple, clear cut definition of salvation.

The Holy Spirit baptizes us into Christ when we believe (Matthew 3:11) predicated on the sacrifice of Christ Jesus on the cross (which is the crux of human eternal destiny heaven or hell depending on whether or not we believe in Jesus).

The reason for the extra hoopla about this Holy Spirit baptism in Acts 2 was because of the transition of the New Covenant from the Old and the disciples who already believed under the Old now showed the signs of significance (tongues of fire etc) at the dawn of the Church age. Thank goodness folks didn't interpret that the tongues of fire are required / the sign of salvation for all.

2 Corinthians 11:3 (KJV)
3 But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ.

Needless to say, I abandoned my past efforts to complicate the Gospel (defining belief itself) to simply trust and believe God in Christ.

The only efforts worth making are to insure that we believe in the genuine Jesus Christ and not some counterfeit concocted by the devil and mankind.

[Michael37]

Locked at the thread starter's request.