Born Again And Born Again Scripture.

[LisaLola]

2 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

No, the text is clear enough for elementary students to follow.  

This scripture is very clear to those who have been Born Again of imperishable seed...which means what exactly, please answer the question?

...God is the initiator and God does it all...the process of him drawing us to Jesus etc,etc, and Spirit gives birth to spirit...he does it all.... we are just the vessel that God uses to bring us to his Son , then like the wind, who we can’t see or know where it comes from.or where it’s going.so it is everyone who is Born of the Spirit as he explains to Nicodemus.

2 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

You've been quoting that very Scripture all along.  John 3.  And your statement here PROVES that you aren't understanding what you are quoting.  So I will quote the EXACT verses that show how to be qualified to enter the kingdom.

v.3 - Jesus answered, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born of water and the Spirit, he cannot enter the kingdom of God.

You probaby have your own opinion about what this verse means, but it is clear enough for those with spiritual discernment.  Jesus is making VERY CLEAR what is required to "enter the kingdom" by the phrase "UNLESS one is born of water and the Spirit".  That is the criteria, qualification, requirement.  Take your pick.  All these words mean the same thing.  

 Please answer my questions, you never answer them?

 

...God is the initiator and God does it all...the process of him drawing us to Jesus etc,etc, and Spirit gives birth to spirit...he does it all.... we are just the vessel that God uses to bring us to his Son , then like the wind, who we can’t see or know where it comes from.or where it’s going.so it is everyone who is Born of the Spirit as he explains to Nicodemus.

2 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

God isn't bound to use the exact words you are DEMANDING that He use.  

Everything I've said is directly from the Bible.  How much of the Bible are you even aware of?

You have posted nothing biblical, just your spin on the Bible....where is your Born Again scripture?

...God is the initiator and God does it all...the process of him drawing us to Jesus etc,etc, and Spirit gives birth to spirit...he does it all.... we are just the vessel that God uses to bring us to his Son , then like the wind, who we can’t see or know where it comes from.or where it’s going.so it is everyone who is Born of the Spirit as he explains to Nicodemus.

2 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

His ONLY point about wind is that we can't see where it goes or where it comes from.  That's it.

What is your question?

I already have.

We are Born Again of imperishable seed, you said Gods seed is not his Living word?

So, what does being Born Again of imperishable seed mean then, if it’s not the Living word of God...the seed he plants in a Born Again is his seed, which will take root ,flourish and grow, why , because his seed is his Living word?

...God is the initiator and God does it all...the process of him drawing us to Jesus etc,etc, and Spirit gives birth to spirit...he does it all.... we are just the vessel that God uses to bring us to his Son , then like the wind, who we can’t see or know where it comes from.or where it’s going.so it is everyone who is Born of the Spirit as he explains to Nicodemus.

2 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Jesus was saying that salvation is not burdensome or difficult.  He did all the 'heavy lifting'.  All we can do is receive the gift, through faith/trust in Him.

This proves that you do not even understand how to be saved.  There is NOTHING in the Bible that agrees with your opinion.

Just look at Paul's answer to the jailer.  I gave you the text last post.  Here it is again.  Acts 16:30,31.  Please read it and explain to me how to be saved from Paul's answer.  I don't 

 

None of what you post above is referring to how we are Born Again...again it’s your own spin on what “ you” believe Born Again means and it’s very evident in what you post.plus you never answer my questions, sadly...

[FreeGrace]

2 hours ago, LisaLola said:

@FreeGrace

God is the initiator and God does it all

Could you expand on this?  For example, does God cause a person to believe?

2 hours ago, LisaLola said:

...the process of him drawing us to Jesus etc,etc, and Spirit gives birth to spirit...he does it all.... we are just the vessel that God uses to bring us to his Son , then like the wind, who we can’t see or know where it comes from..so it is everyone who is Born of the Spirit as he explains to Nicodemus

Where does faith come from and who is the CAUSE of one's FAITH?

[LisaLola]

1 minute ago, FreeGrace said:

Could you expand on this?  For example, does God cause a person to believe?

Where does faith come from and who is the CAUSE of one's FAITH?

I have asked you questions, please don’t change the subject..please answer my questions..which were biblical?..thank you.

[FreeGrace]

7 hours ago, LisaLola said:

Starise said: 

I like the stuff you posted Lisa. Good thoughts on the Holy Spirit.

In that story about Nichodemis where he approached Jesus, I think that's a great revelation into how the Spirit moves. We don't see it but we see the effects of it right?

So glad to hear you are a believer. 

I have no understanding of what you mean when you say ,glad to hear you are a “ believer “...I am Born Again, received the gift of Faith from God...a manifestation of the Spirit..which is one of the gifts of the Spirit?

Wow, this pretty much says it ALL.  Your response to Starise's statement that he was 'glad to hear you are a believer' and you react with "I have NO UNDERSTANDING of what you mean when you say that" is quite telling.

It is clear you don't even know the meaning of the word "believer", even though Scripture describes SAVED PEOPLE as believers throughout the NT.

And, you keep using the words "born again" as a noun, rather than what it is; an adjective, which describe nouns.  So when you post "a born again", you are leaving off the noun.  But do you understand this?

So you demonstrate by your own word choices how confused you are about the Bible, and even Christianity.

I have given you Scriptural proof of HOW one is born again by sharing the account of Cornelius in Acts 10 and 11.  The specific verses I quoted are quite instructive.

[LisaLola]

32 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

It is clear you don't even know the meaning of the word "believer", even though Scripture describes SAVED PEOPLE as believers throughout the NT.

James 2:19

 

“Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.”

[other one]

30 minutes ago, LisaLola said:

James 2:19

 

“Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.”

There lies the problem with this subject.   What does believe really mean, and what must one believe. Personally I am one of those Lordship people, like in Romans.  Believe God raised him from the dead, but must confess with your mouth that Jesus is your Lord

[LisaLola]

30 minutes ago, other one said:

There lies the problem with this subject.   What does believe really mean, and what must one believe.

How can you believe in God without God given Faith, which is a manifestation of the Spirit?

It would be impossible....

 

Edited January 11, 2024 by LisaLola

[FreeGrace]

49 minutes ago, LisaLola said:

  FreeGrace said: 

It is clear you don't even know the meaning of the word "believer", even though Scripture describes SAVED PEOPLE as believers throughout the NT.

James 2:19

“Thou believest that there is one God; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble.”

Again, you just demonstrated a failure to understand HOW the Word defines a saved person.

James was telling his SAVED audience that they believed there is one God.  That is called MreaONOTHEISM, and NO ONE gets saved by believing there is one God.  

If you would just just read through all the epistles and Acts, you would LEARN that saved people ARE called "believers" consistently, and the Bible doesn't make your mistake of using the adjective "born again" as a noun.

[LisaLola]

One cannot believe in God without God given Faith..which is a manifestation of the Spirit.... @FreeGrace doesn’t understand this , as he doesn’t understand what Born Again of imperishable seed means..he just dodges question after question ..he told me Gods word is not a seed,LOL...that’s how much he knows of the word...I understand now, why he speaks the way he does.

Edited January 11, 2024 by LisaLola

[FreeGrace]

1 hour ago, LisaLola said:

Once again, I’m afraid it is you who has no understanding of God’s word....you have given your own spin on what it means to be Born Again

Because of your own unfamiliarity with Scripture, even AFTER I shared Acts 10 and 11 which PROVES that one is baptized with the Spirit WHEN they believe.  Why haven't you addressed those passages?

1 hour ago, LisaLola said:

Jesus has already explained how we are Born Again to Nicodemus

No, He explained HOW to enter the kingdom, which is by being born again. iow, the criteria for entering the kingdom is to be born again.

1 hour ago, LisaLola said:

..the Holy Spirit is like the wind, which unfortunately you aren’t understanding

Look in mirror.

1 hour ago, LisaLola said:

, you’re a question dodger

This is a direct LIE.  Stop it.

1 hour ago, LisaLola said:

, and a twister of words imo

No one needs your opinion.

1 hour ago, LisaLola said:

...therefore my discussion with you is over,,.imo, you aren’t understanding in the Spirit...you understand “ head Knowledge “which is so boring to listen to....bye bye.

You just don't know what you are talking about.

1 hour ago, LisaLola said:

I Love talking in the Spirit...can’t get enough of Gods Living word!!...Praise God!..

Yet, you have over and over demonstrated that you can't even understand it.

1 hour ago, LisaLola said:

a Born Again is taught by Jesus it’s spiritual knowledge, not head knowledge that you post.

Well, there you go again; using "born again" as a noun.  There is NO SUCH THING as "a born again".  The adjective NEEDS a noun, which you  don't understand.

1 hour ago, LisaLola said:

A believer is NOT a Born Again, big difference I’m afraid.

I proved you wrong from the account of Cornelius.  All believers ARE born again, and those who are born again are believers.  That is very clear from the NT, which you have demonstrated a stark unfamiliarity wth.

1 hour ago, LisaLola said:

..will leave it there, as you and I are most definitely on a different level of faith...you don’t even understand what “ Living Faith “ even means...you are imo a man who just argues ...as I said bye,bye, I’ll let you have the last word as I notice you love to do.

No, the arguer here is you.  Even after careful and clear explanations of Scripture, you remain STUCK to your opinions, or the false teachings that you have received.

In fact, your reactions and responses remind me of what the churches in Revelation were warned about.

Rev 2:7 - He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will grant to eat of the tree of life, which is in the paradise of God.’

Rev 2:11 - He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who conquers will not be hurt by the second death.’

Rev 2:17 - He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. To the one who conquers I will give some of the hidden manna, and I will give him a white stone, with a new name written on the stone that no one knows except the one who receives it.’

Rev 2:29 - He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’

Rev 3:6 - He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’

Rev 3:13 - He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’

Rev 3:22 - He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.’”

But you aren't hearing because you don't have ears that hear.  That's why you haven't been able to understand what I have posted, or what the Bible itself says.

You are only fooling (deceiving) yourself.