Don't be deceived

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, Charlie744 said:

I have not made any comment on the bike man in chapter 11. I don’t understand why you don’t have any questions about my basis that I provided you or why you don’t try and offer your support/basis for your interpretations.

Instead, you quickly move onto another topic that we have not discussed and I have not offered my opinion.

It will not be possible to even “agree to disagree” if you don’t want to discuss either my position or explain yours. 
 

Hope you understand! Charlie 

Because we were discussing the abomination of desolation in chapter 11.

 

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

He does.  Their dead bodies.  Just like He raised Lazarus' body.  This really isn't difficult.

I really don't know why you can't separate the body and soul.  The s0uls come back from heaven with Jesus to receive their glorified body, which comes up from the grave.

Their bodies hear Him.  It's really not difficult to understand.

Contemplate James 2:26 - As the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without deeds is dead.

Can you understand that "death" in the physical sense only refers to the body?  And when the spirit (soul) leaves the body, the body is pronounced 'dead'.

Real simple.

Well,God says he will give them his spirit when he raises them out of their graves.

He doesn't say he will put them in their own bodies He says he will put his spirit in them.

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

Well, I see what's wrong here.  You seem unable to comprehend anything.  No, you haven't "told me", other than Daniel wrote about it.

What I've been asking for is the specific chapter and verses that he wrote.  Or is this too difficult to follow?  I've been asking specifically for many posts now, and you still haven't cooperated.

Sure.  Now, where in Daniel do you want me to read what he wrote?  Can you do that?

Sure I would, but you won't tell me where, specifically, to read.  When do you think you will be telling me where to read?

No, I'm admitting that you just keep failing to be cooperative and tell me WHERE in Daniel to read.

I'm getting tired of your antics.  This discussion is childish.  Just tell me WHERE to read in Daniel.  It seems to me that's too difficult for you.

Ive told you ,that you should read Daniels prophecy.You continue to read my posts but not Daniels prophecy concerning the abomination of desolation.Is it difficult for you to open a bible and read the word of God ?Or do you prefer the word of man?

 

You've had plenty of time to read Daniel.

[Shilohsfoal]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

Of course I understand that Hades is a place in the center of the earth.  In the OT, ALL souls went to Hades, the saved and the unsaved.  The compartment for the saved was called Paradise or Abraham's bosom, and the compartment for the unsaved was described by Jesus as "torments".  The 'grave' is a place in the ground for dead bodies.  

However, after His death, He went to Hades and "preached to the spirits in prison", per 1 Pet 3:19 - in whom He also went and preached to the spirits in prison

Then, He took ALL the saved souls from Paradise with Him to heaven.

Eph 4:8,9

8 This is why it says:  “When he ascended on high, he took many captives and gave gifts to his people.”
9 (What does “he ascended” mean except that he also descended to the lower, earthly regions?

These 2 verses PROVE that Jesus went to Paradise (v.9) and took "His people" to heaven (v.8).

Apoparently, you are quite unfamiliar with what Scripture teaches.

Yep, "heart of the earth".  That's no grave, that's the center of the earth.

None of this proves anything.  I just gave you the pertinent verses about the grave and Hades and where souls go after death.

They DO NOT stay with the stinking rotting body.  That's for sure.

You need to get up to speed on what the Bible says.

You go ahead and believe that all the dead in Christ has risen.

I will stick with the resurection.

 

1 Thes 4

¹⁶ For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

¹⁷ Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

 

 

 

[RdJ]

35 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Well,God says he will give them his spirit when he raises them out of their graves.

He doesn't say he will put them in their own bodies He says he will put his spirit in them.

Oh Ezekiel 37. You read that literal? I assumed it just meant that everyone from Israel who is spiritually dead gets saved. If you read this literal then who is part of it? Not the pharisees who sinned against the Spirit. I do believe everyone gets raised from the dead, but I thought this text meant something else.

[FreeGrace]

54 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Well,God says he will give them his spirit when he raises them out of their graves.

You make a lot of claims but provide NO support for your claims.  Why don't you just quote Scripture, as I do?

And your unbiblical view is in conflict with James 2:26.  So I have no reason to believe what you claim.

54 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

He doesn't say he will put them in their own bodies He says he will put his spirit in them.

Sure.  Show me.  I've already shown verses that REFUTE what you claim.  Your views are sideways with Scripture.

[FreeGrace]

51 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Ive told you ,that you should read Daniels prophecy.

You continue to make this very silly statement when I've been ASKING for WHERE in Daniel to read about his prophecy.  And yet you continue to ignore my request.

51 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

You continue to read my posts but not Daniels prophecy concerning the abomination of desolation.

That's because you FAIL repeatedly to provide the text citation where I can read it.

51 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Is it difficult for you to open a bible and read the word of God ?Or do you prefer the word of man?

I'm tired of your unsubstantiated claims.  Since you won't give me the place in Daniel, I'm done with your empty claims.

51 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

You've had plenty of time to read Daniel.

So you want me to read the whole book, huh?  That's just pitiful.

If you can't/won't provide the exact text that you want me to read, means you don't have any to cite.

[FreeGrace]

38 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

You go ahead and believe that all the dead in Christ has risen.

It's too bad how mistaken you are.  I never said "the dead have risen".  Those words refer to the singular bodily resurrection when Jesus Christ returns at the Second Advent.  When a person dies, Paul SAYS they are "at home with the Lord" but it seems you have no comprehension of those clear words.  

The soul leaving the body at death (James 2:26) isn't a resurrection anyway.  Your views are quite confused.

38 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

I will stick with the resurection.

You've shown that you have NO understanding of the resurrection.

38 minutes ago, Shilohsfoal said:

1 Thes 4

¹⁶ For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

¹⁷ Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

And I've already explained what it all means.  Why is this so difficult for you to follow?

[Charlie744]

1 hour ago, Shilohsfoal said:

Because we were discussing the abomination of desolation in chapter 11.

 

9:27, but the point was that we were not discussing the “vile” one of chapter 11.

No problem…

[Shilohsfoal]

4 hours ago, Renskedejonge said:

Oh Ezekiel 37. You read that literal? I assumed it just meant that everyone from Israel who is spiritually dead gets saved. If you read this literal then who is part of it? Not the pharisees who sinned against the Spirit. I do believe everyone gets raised from the dead, but I thought this text meant something else.

Ezekiel 37 is talking about exactly who is says it's talking about Israel.Everyone of Israel who's names are written.Probably not many Pharisees names are written.

 

This resurection in Ezekiel 37 is the same resurrection mentioned in revelation 20 before Gog invades the land of Israel.

 

Revelation 20

⁴ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

⁵ But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

⁶ Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

Revelation 20:6 above is exactly what the Lord told the descendents of Jacob that he would do to them in Exodus 19:6.

 

Exodus 19:6

And ye shall be unto me a kingdom of priests, and an holy nation. These are the words which thou shalt speak unto the children of Israel.
 

 

Give it about another year to two and everyone in israel will be getting  the mark of the beast. The saints in Israel who die for their testimony are the saints mentioned in revelation 20.They are also mentioned in Daniel 11:33-35.

Daniel 11:33-35

Wise leaders will give instruction to many, but these teachers will die by fire and sword, or they will be jailed and robbed.

During these persecutions, little help will arrive, and many who join them will not be sincere

And some of the wise will fall victim to persecution. In this way, they will be refined and cleansed and made pure until the time of the end, for the appointed time is still to come.

Edited February 24, 2024 by Shilohsfoal