Too much leaven, signing off.

[Mr. M]

1 Corinthians 5:8 Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

[Michael37]

3,689 posts in one year and five months.

Your participation will be missed, @Mr. M but we are used to members coming and going here, and our community will continue to promote spiritual life and growth among whosoever will believe in Jesus Christ.

[D. Adrien]

Mr.M, do you remember what John Calvin did in a Swiss city when he became frustrated that believers weren't believing rightly? Christianity cannot be forced upon anyone. It is by the Holy Spirit of God that we all have understanding and each one of us are burdened with our individual carnal past. We all arrive where we need to arrive by the grace of God. Jesus is the vine and we are branches. We can do nothing without His input. I do hope you find what you seek.

[BibleStudent100]

11 hours ago, Mr. M said:

with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

Good Morning Mr. M:

We are all works in progress and we are all at different stages of building our Christian personality and yes, it is frustrating to deal with fellow Christians who still “feed on milk” and have yet to reach the level of spiritually consuming “solid food” that enables them “to distinguish both right and wrong” (Hebrews 5: 13, 14).  But our charge from Christ is to continue to minister to others and I hope you find the proper venue for this and thank you for your contribution over these past months!

[The_Patriot21]

9 hours ago, D. Adrien said:

Mr.M, do you remember what John Calvin did in a Swiss city when he became frustrated that believers weren't believing rightly? Christianity cannot be forced upon anyone. It is by the Holy Spirit of God that we all have understanding and each one of us are burdened with our individual carnal past. We all arrive where we need to arrive by the grace of God. Jesus is the vine and we are branches. We can do nothing without His input. I do hope you find what you seek.

Was that the time he tied the "heretics" up and dragged them behind horses through town? 

[D. Adrien]

3 minutes ago, The_Patriot21 said:

Was that the time he tied the "heretics" up and dragged them behind horses through town? 

There were plenty of times. His preaching influenced others to murder many.

[The_Patriot21]

11 minutes ago, D. Adrien said:

There were plenty of times. His preaching influenced others to murder many.

He definitely took it to the extreme. But he was the right man for the job. At the time the roman catholic church would kill anyone who stood against them if they could. The only ones who weren't were those that could garnish enough of a following that the church wouldn't move on them for fear of backlash.

And extremists attract followers. Calvin dragged heretics behind horses, Luther would as soon burn them at the stake. It's amazing How God uses us, despite ourselves.

[D. Adrien]

8 hours ago, The_Patriot21 said:

And extremists attract followers. Calvin dragged heretics behind horses, Luther would as soon burn them at the stake. It's amazing How God uses us, despite ourselves.

I'd question if perhaps it wasn't the god of this world using these guys to murder and destroy.

[The_Patriot21]

36 minutes ago, D. Adrien said:

I'd question if perhaps it wasn't the god of this world using these guys to murder and destroy.

I would say don't blame him for the actions of others. Now I don't condone all of his actions, but his actions did lead to a lot of good as well. 

I mean he's not even the first man of this nature that God's used.

Abraham was a horrible father.

Moses was a murderer.

King David was an adulterer and a murderer.

King Solomon was a womanizer.

Samson was not only selfish but also a womanizer who let his lust control him.

Matthew was a tax collector.

Paul before coming to Christ was a persecutor of the saints.

In fact going through the Bible many of the people God chose to use would not only be considered immoral by our standards, but they would make Calvin look positively tame by comparison.

God has His plan, and He uses corrupt men to do it. 

Which is good, because we are all corrupt. None of us are perfect and we all come with our own moral baggage.

Calvin was a product of his time. We look back on him and say hey look at all this evil he did, but to many don't take into account the time he was in. Luthor and Armenian were every bit the extremists Calvin was, but I don't see you going after them.

None of us are perfect. But it helps to take into context the world historical figures lived in to understand the why they did what they did, and it helps to remember that just like them, were sinners to, and we are all in need of the same grace.

 

 

[Sower]

On 3/10/2024 at 6:38 PM, Mr. M said:

but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.

I feel I kinda knew how important it has been to you for us to stay on topic in your teachings here.
And would hope you do same in sharing your understanding with others wherever the road takes you.
You have kept me on my 'spiritual' toes many's the time, and I've been blessed.

Thank you, Mister M...