What is biblical discipleship and to whom was the Great Commission given?

[luigi]

24 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

In your previous post, you made mention of being freed of your idols in "the future".  So, what are you waiting for?

It seems your reasoning is unreasonable.  You confuse modern technology with idol worship.  I use modern technology to be more efficient, so I can get more done.  That is not idol worship.

This isn't relevant to your "idol worship" rantings.  To be double minded is to be confused, as many believers are.  They have learned traditions rather than the truth.  If believers would take Acts 17:11 to heart, they would be able to discern what is tradition and what is truth.  What the Bible SAYS is truth.  What most preachers say is tradition.

In the shortly upcoming future, as the earth continues to degrade due to the love mankind has for the things his hands produce (currently through fossil fuel burning industries), there comes a big split as depicted in the Olivet discourse, where families will come apart, with those who love the things of this world under Satan turning in unto their deaths, other family members who will reject a continuing love for the things of this world that are causing earths destruction.

 

[FreeGrace]

12 minutes ago, luigi said:

FreeGrace said:

 Modern technology has resulted in greater productivity and many things.  You can live in the stone age if you want.  Just having modern technology doesn't automatically mean the owners "worship" them. 

And yet, modern technology is currently causing a tremendous amount of damage to earths environmental resources.

I see that you've bought the lies of the political far left.  They only use "environmentalism" to further their agenda of world domination and control.

They deny Creator God and the FACT that humanity is UNABLE to destroy what God created.  The earth will be destroyed by fire some day, but that is on His own timetable, not man's.  

[FreeGrace]

9 minutes ago, luigi said:

This is the world we live in FreeGrace, which is the devils and therefore we all currently comply and live for the things of this world (including the Amish).

By the way, I originally posted on what I believed to be a true disciple. After this, I merely responded to your questions which have gone all over the place.

Rather, I've only been responding to what you have posted.  Let's get back to the subject of the OP.

[FreeGrace]

3 minutes ago, luigi said:

In the shortly upcoming future, as the earth continues to degrade due to the love mankind has for the things his hands produce (currently through fossil fuel burning industries), there comes a big split as depicted in the Olivet discourse, where families will come apart, with those who love the things of this world under Satan turning in unto their deaths, other family members who will reject a continuing love for the things of this world that are causing earths destruction.

The Bible says clearly that God is the One who will destroy the earth.  Man is unable to destroy what God creates.

You should stop listening to the environmental wackos.  They are satanic.  They want to control the world.

They only care about having power and control.  Just like Satan.

[luigi]

8 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

This "child" is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ, and His being "caught up" refers to His ascension after His resurrection.

The Lord calls John to heaven in Revelation 4:1 to be shown things forthcoming, thus indicating all events in subsequent chapters forthcoming after the first century AD. The man child in Revelation 12, is about the remnant saints who will then be singularly minded with faith solely in and on Christ. They will then do the miracles that Christ did, and even greater miracles.

Revelation 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

[FreeGrace]

1 minute ago, luigi said:

  FreeGrace said:

This "child" is none other than the Lord Jesus Christ, and His being "caught up" refers to His ascension after His resurrection.

The Lord calls John to heaven in Revelation 4:1 to be shown things forthcoming, thus indicating all events in subsequent chapters forthcoming after the first century AD. The man child in Revelation 12, is about the remnant saints who will then be singularly minded with faith solely in and on Christ. They will then do the miracles that Christ did, and even greater miracles.

Revelation 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come up hither, and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.

Your point here??

[luigi]

13 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

I know many believers who would have responded just like Peter to the beggar.  Which proves that not all believers today are double minded.

Yep.  Keep in mind as an apostle and with the specific spiritual gift he would be more sensitive than others.

That's great if you know of many singularly minded believers who would respond as did Peter, who then miraculously caused the lame beggar to no longer be lame. Can you tell me of some of these individuals miracles?

[luigi]

25 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

I see that you've bought the lies of the political far left.  They only use "environmentalism" to further their agenda of world domination and control.

They deny Creator God and the FACT that humanity is UNABLE to destroy what God created.  The earth will be destroyed by fire some day, but that is on His own timetable, not man's.  

Who then do you think Gods wrath befalls upon who are destroying the earth in Revelation 11:18? Those who are destroying the earth cause the environmental and other woes in Revelation chapters 8 and 9, that according to Revelation 9:20 is due to the love mankind has for the things his hands produce (currently produced primarily through fossil fuel burning industries).

Revelation 11:18 And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

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[luigi]

19 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

Your point here??

Revelation 12, is not a historical recounting of the Lord Jesus being caught up to heaven. That should have been fairly obvious from my response.

[FreeGrace]

40 minutes ago, luigi said:

FreeGrace said:

I know many believers who would have responded just like Peter to the beggar.  Which proves that not all believers today are double minded.

Yep.  Keep in mind as an apostle and with the specific spiritual gift he would be more sensitive than others.

That's great if you know of many singularly minded believers who would respond as did Peter, who then miraculously caused the lame beggar to no longer be lame. Can you tell me of some of these individuals miracles?

I never insinuated that there are believers today to perform miracles.  That gift is no longer in existence.  It was to confirm apostleship so that people would pay attention.

Anyone can preach anything.  So what?  To establish and grow the early church, miracles gave credence to the apostles.  Read Acts 8 and Philip in Samaria.