'Reminders' not 'New Revelations'

[PATrobas]

41 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

Could greet with "How ya doing?" only to receive the response "Better than I deserve." 

Amen, as would be all of our responses.

[PATrobas]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

But it is in lust that we are all conceived and if not then why we have P? Or Y? The comand was to multiple and fill the earth that your descendants will never be extinct. God made the people that way. The people managing them selves it's their business. God wants everyone and all the children. All the children. Look in the Sinai Covenant the children born to them in any way in marriage or our of marriage were the Lord's and they had to Circumcised them or mark them so they will know even if they go to captivity and get seperated they will know. Even the children of their bond servants or their servants born in their households were the Lords. No matter what the conditions were. And the blessings to Abraham was that your descendants will never be extinct till the coming of the one who will fulfill the blessings promises to Abraham. Do you know what are they? This is why the brother @Dennis1209 said that they knew a lot of things and they will know a lot of things the Sun knew figuratively speaking because they are there and eventually they will find them out as the other starts and or the other continents and their mountains and their seas and all the other species of Life the Sun figuratively speaking knows about them day in and day out because the sun shines over them. But the Sun does not know the thoughts of God and the plans of God and the things above where his light cannot shine or not needed. And the sun knows nothing about the things bellow the earth, definitely the ignorance of the sun figuratively it has been known to man and anyone who has a microscope can tell you that we have see and learn those things from the microscope. We only need Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit that represents Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ the only way to the Heavenly Father. 

I don't know what you mean by 'P' or 'Y' but I know this. David said, Psalm 51:5  "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me." He was not saying his parents were lusting when he was conceived, but was referring to his sin nature received from Adam. In other words, from the moment of conception he received the nature of his father. He was condemned from the moment of life in the womb before having done anything worthy of damnation. Our condemnation comes from Adam and we prove it by sinning. 1 Cor.15:22 "For as in Adam all die..." Lust is not sin. The definition of lust is 'fleshly desire'. Lust becomes sin when we let it enter our mind and try to satisfy its desire outside of the will of God. "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death." James 1:14-15 Hunger is a desire of the flesh. Thus, the temptation of Jesus to turn stones into bread was to fulfill his desire of hunger apart from how God would fill it (angels came and ministered to Him and I would assume brought Him food.) So we can see how Jesus was tempted in all points like as we are yet without sin. He never allowed lust to conceive in Him as He never sinned.

 

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, PATrobas said:

I don't know what you mean by 'P' or 'Y' but I know this. David said, Psalm 51:5  "Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive

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me." He was not saying his parents were lusting when he was conceived, but was referring to his sin nature received from Adam. In other words, from the moment of conception he received the nature of his father. He was condemned from the moment of life in the womb before having done anything worthy of damnation. Our condemnation comes from Adam and we prove it by sinning. 1 Cor.15:22 "For as in Adam all die..." Lust is not sin. The definition of lust is 'fleshly desire'. Lust becomes sin when we let it enter our mind and try to satisfy its desire outside of the will of God. "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death." James 1:14-15 Hunger is a desire of the flesh. Thus, the temptation of Jesus to turn stones into bread was to fulfill his desire of hunger apart from how God would fill it (angels came and ministered to Him and I would assume brought Him food.) So we can see how Jesus was tempted in all points like as we are yet without sin. He never allowed lust to conceive in Him as He never sinned.

 

I read your post but I cannot comment now, but I will comment later on and after I have asked you some questions. You still owe me your comments on my last post. P is for your initial and Y is for my initial. James 1:14-15 niv 14 but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. 15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.  This is what James wrote in ch.1:14-15 and your comments are copied and pasted from your post above in bold." James 1:14-15. You posted that hunger is a desire of the flesh, this creates an argument which you did not justify that hunger is a desire of the flesh. Which is not. But James is referring to  evil desires and James does not include all people but only the people who have evil desires. By reference to James 1:14-15 and by saying that hunger is a desire within the James scripture and not posting the scriptures this is what you got that according to James Jesus had some kind of evil desire as Hunger and was tempted because his evil desire came to life within him but he master it and wrestle it down and still remain within him and then the Angels came and satisfied his evil desire for food. That's how it comes across. And the same thing it may be , for being thirsty and so on and so on or for feeling cold. 

And some people are wondering about it as to why you referer to a scripture but not posting it. They have the right to know what the scripture say and the version. At the same time you are making a comment about the context of the scripture. 

"Quote from your post" (Hunger is a desire of the flesh. Thus, the temptation of Jesus to turn stones into bread was to fulfill his desire of hunger apart from how God would fill it (angels came and ministered to Him and I would assume brought Him food.) So we can see how Jesus was tempted in all points like as we are yet without sin. He never allowed lust to conceive in Him as He never sinned.)

Edited May 25, 2024 by Your closest friendnt

[Your closest friendnt]

@PATrobas I found many definitions of what is "hunger" but I picked this one because it distinguish between physical hunger and psychological hunger. 

       Physical hunger is true hunger, which is characterized by an empty feeling in your stomach and discomfort that can only be relieved by eating. Conversely, psychological hunger is associated with cravings, emotional eating, and boredom eating.

And if I may add a spiritual hunger we may experience about the world of God. 

[Your closest friendnt]

@PATrobas 

Psalm 51:5 is from David when he was mature in age and after he had done a lot of things deliberately that caused the life of many people both Israelites and their neighbors and I am not talking about lives lost during the wars but some deliberate acts of David. We are not looking at reasons but only the effect as David looked back and he was examining himself. Doing some sort of self evaluation and looking at the wrongs he did. He let's know how he view himself and not how God had viewed him in all these things and the reason why.  And he said what he said. He showed himself in a such way that he was deeply burden and trouble and he appealed to God to create a clean heart within him and that's because he did not like the thoughts of his own heart about him. David did not like what he reflect about himself and because he also did good things, definitely fighting Goliath and sparring the life of Saul by risking his own and the men around him and taking care of the disabled son of Saul and removing the fear from him that if David found him for sure will deal with him in the same way they deal with the other sons of Saul. What he said it was as if he was thinking if he had been born that way which it was a common belief even today. That God made me that way. David forgot at that time that he also had a heart after the heart of his Lord God. Deliberately Samuel whom David knew could not say the samething or even Nathan his friend the Son of Shaul. We cannot say the samething for Abel and Noah and mother Mary and Joseph who suffer a lot of injustices. 

He did not say that for his children or the faithful people around him and for the disciples and Jesus never repeated those things for anyone. You cannot talked about your self or anyone else like that because this is a sin to speak on behalf of Jesus Christ like that of his disciples and his children who are born to him from those who believe and honor him and glorify him for giving us children who since their birth have been glorified him with every thing in their lives. And it is even by scripture not truth. Because our children are born to Jesus Christ and they are conceived in the Life of Jesus Christ borned from people who are in the Life the Eternal Life of Jesus Christ. Who are born sanctified by Jesus Christ, in the family of Jesus Christ and the Heavenly Father. 

Psalm 51:5 

New Living Translation
For I was born a sinner— yes, from the moment my mother conceived me.

English Standard Version
Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Berean Standard Bible
Surely I was brought forth in iniquity; I was sinful when my mother conceived me.

King James Bible
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Edited May 25, 2024 by Your closest friendnt

[PATrobas]

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

I read your post but I cannot comment now, but I will comment later on and after I have asked you some questions. You still owe me your comments on my last post. P is for your initial and Y is for my initial. James 1:14-15 niv 14 but each person is tempted when they are dragged away by their own evil desire and enticed. 15 Then, after desire has conceived, it gives birth to sin; and sin, when it is full-grown, gives birth to death.  This is what James wrote in ch.1:14-15 and your comments are copied and pasted from your post above in bold." James 1:14-15. You posted that hunger is a desire of the flesh, this creates an argument which you did not justify that hunger is a desire of the flesh. Which is not. But James is referring to  evil desires and James does not include all people but only the people who have evil desires. By reference to James 1:14-15 and by saying that hunger is a desire within the James scripture and not posting the scriptures this is what you got that according to James Jesus had some kind of evil desire as Hunger and was tempted because his evil desire came to life within him but he master it and wrestle it down and still remain within him and then the Angels came and satisfied his evil desire for food. That's how it comes across. And the same thing it may be , for being thirsty and so on and so on or for feeling cold. 

And some people are wondering about it as to why you referer to a scripture but not posting it. They have the right to know what the scripture say and the version. At the same time you are making a comment about the context of the scripture. 

"Quote from your post" (Hunger is a desire of the flesh. Thus, the temptation of Jesus to turn stones into bread was to fulfill his desire of hunger apart from how God would fill it (angels came and ministered to Him and I would assume brought Him food.) So we can see how Jesus was tempted in all points like as we are yet without sin. He never allowed lust to conceive in Him as He never sinned.)

What we differ on is the definition of lust. Lust in modern English stirs up thoughts of sexual immorality but the definition by virtue of context and in Webster's 1828 Dictionary one of the many definitions of lust is "1. To desire eagerly; to long; with after." An example from scripture being; Deu 12:15  Notwithstanding thou mayest kill and eat flesh in all thy gates, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, according to the blessing of the LORD thy God which he hath given thee: the unclean and the clean may eat thereof, as of the roebuck, and as of the hart. So with that in mind we can make sense of James 1 when he says "every man is drawn away by his own lust..." or the desire to fulfill a carnal or fleshly desire. God made all men with these desires and they are not sinful if the desire is met the way God intended. Sexual desire is met in marriage, hunger is met by working in order to eat. But Satan tempts us to fulfill those desires by circumventing God's way. Sexual desire being fulfilled by immoral relationships, hunger by stealing food, etc. So, Jesus being fully man (as well as the Word of God) had flesh desires. hunger, thirst. emotional needs etc. and was thus tempted to fulfill them outside of God's way. "Heb 4:15  For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." (KJV) The version you use to quote in James 1:14-15 uses a definition of lust that does not fit scripture. As to this reference in your comments:

And some people are wondering about it as to why you referer to a scripture but not posting it. They have the right to know what the scripture say and the version. At the same time you are making a comment about the context of the scripture. 

"Quote from your post" (Hunger is a desire of the flesh. Thus, the temptation of Jesus to turn stones into bread was to fulfill his desire of hunger apart from how God would fill it (angels came and ministered to Him and I would assume brought Him food.) So we can see how Jesus was tempted in all points like as we are yet without sin. He never allowed lust to conceive in Him as He never sinned.)

Here ya go; Matthew 4:1-11 (KJV)

[PATrobas]

52 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

@PATrobas 

Psalm 51:5 is from David when he was mature in age and after he had done a lot of things deliberately that caused the life of many people both Israelites and their neighbors and I am not talking about lives lost during the wars but some deliberate acts of David. We are not looking at reasons but only the effect as David looked back and he was examining himself. Doing some sort of self evaluation and looking at the wrongs he did. He let's know how he view himself and not how God had viewed him in all these things and the reason why.  And he said what he said. He showed himself in a such way that he was deeply burden and trouble and he appealed to God to create a clean heart within him and that's because he did not like the thoughts of his own heart about him. David did not like what he reflect about himself and because he also did good things, definitely fighting Goliath and sparring the life of Saul by risking his own and the men around him and taking care of the disabled son of Saul and removing the fear from him that if David found him for sure will deal with him in the same way they deal with the other sons of Saul. What he said it was as if he was thinking if he had been born that way which it was a common belief even today. That God made me that way. David forgot at that time that he also had a heart after the heart of his Lord God. Deliberately Samuel whom David knew could not say the samething or even Nathan his friend the Son of Shaul. We cannot say the samething for Abel and Noah and mother Mary and Joseph who suffer a lot of injustices. 

He did not say that for his children or the faithful people around him and for the disciples and Jesus never repeated those things for anyone. You cannot talked about your self or anyone else like that because this is a sin to speak on behalf of Jesus Christ like that of his disciples and his children who are born to him from those who believe and honor him and glorify him for giving us children who since their birth have been glorified him with every thing in their lives. And it is even by scripture not truth. Because our children are born to Jesus Christ and they are conceived in the Life of Jesus Christ borned from people who are in the Life the Eternal Life of Jesus Christ. Who are born sanctified by Jesus Christ, in the family of Jesus Christ and the Heavenly Father. 

Psalm 51:5 

New Living Translation
For I was born a sinner— yes, from the moment my mother conceived me.

English Standard Version
Behold, I was brought forth in iniquity, and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Berean Standard Bible
Surely I was brought forth in iniquity; I was sinful when my mother conceived me.

King James Bible
Behold, I was shapen in iniquity; and in sin did my mother conceive me.

Wow, what can I say. Psalm 51:5 is stating that David (as are all men) conceived in sin. All men have Adam's sin nature and are thus condemned thereby. Ephesians 2:1  (KJV) "And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;:2  Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience: :3  Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others." All children are conceived in sin whether by a christian couple or not. There is no right to salvation by birth. John 1:12-13 (KJV) "But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name: :13  Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God." "...not by blood..." i.e. by birthright, you can't be saved by being born into a Christian family, "...nor the will of the flesh..." i.e. become born again because you want to by the will of your flesh, "...nor by the will of man..." i.e. no man can confer the new birth on anyone. As much as a person may want to see someone saved, he has no power by which to make it happen, "...but of God." The new birth is by God Himself, "...ye must be born again (born from above.) Blessings.

 

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, PATrobas said:

What we differ on is the definition of lust. Lust in modern English stirs up thoughts of sexual immorality but the definition by virtue of context and in Webster's 1828 Dictionary one of the many definitions of lust is "1. To desire eagerly; to long; with after." An example from scripture being; Deu 12:15  Notwithstanding thou mayest kill and eat flesh in all thy gates, whatsoever thy soul lusteth after, according to the blessing of the LORD thy God which he hath given thee: the unclean and the clean may eat thereof, as of the roebuck, and as of the hart. So with that in mind we can make sense of James 1 when he says "every man is drawn away by his own lust..." or the desire to fulfill a carnal or fleshly desire. God made all men with these desires and they are not sinful if the desire is met the way God intended. Sexual desire is met in marriage, hunger is met by working in order to eat. But Satan tempts us to fulfill those desires by circumventing God's way. Sexual desire being fulfilled by immoral relationships, hunger by stealing food, etc. So, Jesus being fully man (as well as the Word of God) had flesh desires. hunger, thirst. emotional needs etc. and was thus tempted to fulfill them outside of God's way. "Heb 4:15  For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin." (KJV) The version you use to quote in James 1:14-15 uses a definition of lust that does not fit scripture. 

James 1:14-15 ESV In this version in verse 14 it says by his own desire it does not say by his own evil desire as in NIV. But in verse 15 it defines the desire that it about sinful desires that bring forth death. 

14 But each person is tempted when he is lured and enticed by his own desire. 15 Then desire when it has conceived gives birth to sin, and sin when it is fully grown brings forth death.

 when James 1:14-15 cannot apply to Jesus when he was hungry in the dessert. Jesus did not have sinful desires. 

Enough for now. God bless and 

Good night.

[TheBlade]

Where did you get this "there is no new revelation or teaching to be added to or taught concerning the things of Jesus Christ" Not that I disagree yet what you stated is not written.

 Remind you of these things "Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises, that by these you might be partakers of the divine nature". Promises and divine nature was not touched and that is what Paul was talking about.   Now I do know of some that use those words (new revelation) against some believers and I just watched this known preacher make fun of them. I understand for some believers in their eyes its new praise GOD. What I mean is .. its happened to me a few times. HAHA Him showing me something not to long ago.. at the end saying "I am the vine you are the branches". After everything I saw and what He said.. I was just shocked. I had read that so oh so many times. Talked, teach, preach yet how did I miss something right in front of me. So to me it was new yet for some others I can hear them saying "ooh look who just woke up" haha

 

God told this preacher ..yes God told him.. one of the things God told him was to keep telling us "remember the promises". Do you know how many believers that read His word still do not know this and yet its written.  And then we are to also.......

Isa "Forget the former things; do not dwell on the past." Phil "Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead,"

@Dennis1209 lol I tell my wife all the time "dollar waiting on a dime"
 

 

[Dennis1209]

1 hour ago, TheBlade said:

Where did you get this "there is no new revelation or teaching to be added to or taught concerning the things of Jesus Christ" Not that I disagree yet what you stated is not written.

 Remind you of these things "Whereby are given unto us exceeding great and precious promises, that by these you might be partakers of the divine nature". Promises and divine nature was not touched and that is what Paul was talking about.   Now I do know of some that use those words (new revelation) against some believers and I just watched this known preacher make fun of them. I understand for some believers in their eyes its new praise GOD. What I mean is .. its happened to me a few times. HAHA Him showing me something not to long ago.. at the end saying "I am the vine you are the branches". After everything I saw and what He said.. I was just shocked. I had read that so oh so many times. Talked, teach, preach yet how did I miss something right in front of me. So to me it was new yet for some others I can hear them saying "ooh look who just woke up" haha

 

God told this preacher ..yes God told him.. one of the things God told him was to keep telling us "remember the promises". Do you know how many believers that read His word still do not know this and yet its written.  And then we are to also.......

Isa "Forget the former things; do not dwell on the past." Phil "Brethren, I do not count myself to have apprehended; but one thing I do, forgetting those things which are behind and reaching forward to those things which are ahead,"

@Dennis1209 lol I tell my wife all the time "dollar waiting on a dime"
 

 

I was referring to our closed canon. 

Revelation 22:18-19 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: ¹⁹ And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.