1290/1335 days=2000 years??

[Revelation Man]

10 hours ago, CaptWalker said:

  Well i already was pretty familiar with the whole 7 year time frame but i always thought that maybe the extra 220 days might be referring to Ezekial 39:12? Either way my main question again was why some so-called teachers of prophecy that i've heard are very convinced that the days can also be converted to years, but i am confused as to just how they came up with that formula?

But just so anyone else who is also confused will know just what i am referring to, it is basically the 2,000 year period(give or take) from the crucifixion to the 2nd coming(not the rapture). Now i do vaguely recall this also having something to do with the time period up until the crucifixion but am not sure? But the way i understand it is that the "prophetic year" is equal to about 1.5 years in real time, but how they came up with that is a mystery to me. But if you take 1335 days multiplied by 1.5 you get about 2002 years, from about 28-29AD, since Christ was actually born around 5-6BC but for the sake of time i wont go into that now. 

Anyway it is simple math from that point which brings it to around 2030AD, but again the question is who originally came up with this formula and how can it be documented in the word of God? But what is kind of interesting is doing the same with 1290 days, which would equal about 1935 years, and bring that first time period to about 1963. Which of course was when the Kennedy assassination occurred and the year after the Cuban missile crisis which put us on the brink of WWIII! Either way anyone who does believe in this teaching can feel free to comment, even though i may disagree until PROVEN otherwise.

I explained it to you, its not years. Why would it be years when verse 7 (Dan. 12:7) speaks about Israel being scattered for a time, times and half time, (3.5 years) and the in Rev. 12 we see both a time, times and half (3.5) and 1260 days used, and we also see in Rev. 13 the Beast rules for 42 Months, as in MONTHS, not years. 

Edited May 31, 2024 by Revelation Man

[Charlie744]

On 5/26/2024 at 4:29 PM, CaptWalker said:

Well I've heard the whole explanation before about this so-called "days to years" teaching but it was something I just couldn't understand as far as the calculations go?? And also whether it is even a legit teaching that can actually be documented and/or proved anywhere in the Bible, other than simply saying days must he equal to to years, just because it makes sense to YOU, or to whoever first came up with this "theory"?

Anyway just wondering if anyone could finally explain this in a way where it is more easily understood even by those who are not very good at math??🤔

Before one turns to their math books to interpret what these time elements mean, it is necessary to first decide if they, and others in Daniel, speak about the “end times” or they speak about the most important events in the history of mankind - the coming of the Messiah in the first century and His fulfilling of the 6 requirements given Him by His Father. They were to be fulfilled in the last week of the 70 weeks of years prophecy. The Jews were given the first 69 weeks to restore all the physical items after they returned from Babylon. This also included reinstating the Sabbatical cycles, the Levitical ceremonies, the 7 Feast days, etc. And they completed their God given task to restore the city, the Temple, etc BY the end of the 69th week. 
 

The ONLY item that was still to be restored could not be fulfilled by the Jews- it was the Presence of God in the form of the Ark of the Covenant that was hidden away by Jeremiah before the Babylonian captivity. 
 

Which is why the last week or 7 years of the prophecy was “set aside” for the coming Messiah. And Jesus literally arrived on the first day of the last week to begin His ministry. He would serve as the restoration of the Ark - the Presence of God. Now, EVERYTHING was completely restored as it was prior to the Babylonian destruction. 
 

Now, today’s accepted interpretations may differ a little regarding the details, but ALL contend these time elements as well as the last 7 years of the prophecy are still to take place in the future. 
 

Oh, I did say ALL, didn’t I? Yes, all! Consequently, none of these time elements are interpreted to speak of the Messiah and the first century.

However, I have a very different interpretation on these important time elements and more than another 40 or so interpretations in Daniel that are NOT “end time” events. 
 

I believe within this short thread there are at least 4 very important time elements mentioned:

1) time, times and 1/2 time

2) 2300 days

3) 1290 days

4) 1335 days. 
 

There are a few other time elements in Daniel but they have yet to be brought up. 
 

So, for me, this topic or discussion is not whether RM has the correct interpretation or another member has the better understanding. Again, ALL folks studying Daniel believe these are “end time” events. I can not address their interpretations!

What I can speak of is that my (new) interpretations treat these as events that take place almost entirely in the first century AND they are ONLY referring to the Messiah during His first advent. Remember, Daniel is writing to the JEWS, the city of Jerusalem (its restoration) AND the coming Messiah- it is not an end time prophecy book (the book is dominated by the 70 weeks of years prophecy of chapter 9). 
 

Consequently, with the exception of #1 above - time, times and 1/2 time, #2 and # 3 speak of the time of the Messiah- 1st century. The last time element - # 4, speaks directly to the return of the Messiah- this IS a true “end time” prophecy. 
 

 

 

 

 

[Revelation Man]

On 5/30/2024 at 9:52 PM, Charlie744 said:

Before one turns to their math books to interpret what these time elements mean, it is necessary to first decide if they, and others in Daniel, speak about the “end times” or they speak about the most important events in the history of mankind - the coming of the Messiah in the first century and His fulfilling of the 6 requirements given Him by His Father.

Firstly, that is not even debatable. everyone in the know, knows its all END TIME EVENTS. Secondly, it was not something Jesus had to fulfill, the 6 steps were about Israel, not Jesus. Israel needed to repent, not Jesus. The promise was already in use by Abraham and others, that's why they will be in Heaven, so anyone saying Jesus had to fulfill that before Israel could repent are just wrong. Thus the 6 goals were about Israel, not Jesus.

Those 6 requirements have nothing to do with Jesus and everything to do with Israel.

On 5/30/2024 at 9:52 PM, Charlie744 said:

They were to be fulfilled in the last week of the 70 weeks of years prophecy. The Jews were given the first 69 weeks to restore all the physical items after they returned from Babylon. This also included reinstating the Sabbatical cycles, the Levitical ceremonies, the 7 Feast days, etc. And they completed their God given task to restore the city, the Temple, etc BY the end of the 69th week. 

Israel fulfilled nothing, they never repented, they will do so during the END TIME 70th week. The whole reason it went from  70 years to 490 or 7 x 70 is because they never repented, kicking in the TIMED SEVEN laws of Leviticus.

On 5/30/2024 at 9:52 PM, Charlie744 said:

The ONLY item that was still to be restored could not be fulfilled by the Jews- it was the Presence of God in the form of the Ark of the Covenant that was hidden away by Jeremiah before the Babylonian captivity. 

Israel never repented as a Nation. EVER, and still haven't, but will soon, at the 1335.

On 5/30/2024 at 9:52 PM, Charlie744 said:

Which is why the last week or 7 years of the prophecy was “set aside” for the coming Messiah. And Jesus literally arrived on the first day of the last week to begin His ministry. He would serve as the restoration of the Ark - the Presence of God. Now, EVERYTHING was completely restored as it was prior to the Babylonian destruction. 

WRONG, Jesus has zero to do with the Prophesy, it is/was about Israel. Jesus died on the very last day of the 69th Week.

On 5/30/2024 at 9:52 PM, Charlie744 said:

Now, today’s accepted interpretations may differ a little regarding the details, but ALL contend these time elements as well as the last 7 years of the prophecy are still to take place in the future. 

That is el correcto.

On 5/30/2024 at 9:52 PM, Charlie744 said:

Oh, I did say ALL, didn’t I? Yes, all! Consequently, none of these time elements are interpreted to speak of the Messiah and the first century.

 

The Prophesy is about Israel, not Jesus. That is where you guys get OFF-TRACKED.

On 5/30/2024 at 9:52 PM, Charlie744 said:

However, I have a very different interpretation on these important time elements and more than another 40 or so interpretations in Daniel that are NOT “end time” events. 
 

I believe within this short thread there are at least 4 very important time elements mentioned:

1) time, times and 1/2 time

2) 2300 days

3) 1290 days

4) 1335 days. 
 

There are a few other time elements in Daniel but they have yet to be brought up. 
 

So, for me, this topic or discussion is not whether RM has the correct interpretation or another member has the better understanding. Again, ALL folks studying Daniel believe these are “end time” events. I can not address their interpretations!

What I can speak of is that my (new) interpretations treat these as events that take place almost entirely in the first century AND they are ONLY referring to the Messiah during His first advent. Remember, Daniel is writing to the JEWS, the city of Jerusalem (its restoration) AND the coming Messiah- it is not an end time prophecy book (the book is dominated by the 70 weeks of years prophecy of chapter 9). 
 

Consequently, with the exception of #1 above - time, times and 1/2 time, #2 and # 3 speak of the time of the Messiah- 1st century. The last time element - # 4, speaks directly to the return of the Messiah- this IS a true “end time” prophecy. 
 

And thus you are not ever going to understand these numbers my friend. By the way, the 2300 Evening and Morning sacrifices are equal to 1150 days, since there was an Evening AND Morning sacrifice each day.

Edited June 2, 2024 by Revelation Man

[Charlie744]

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Firstly, that is not even debatable. everyone in the know, knows its all END TIME EVENTS.
 

No, everyone contends these verses speak to the end of times… that is the truth. But it is NOT the correct interpretations of the book of Daniel. Daniel was written for the Jews and His holy city Jerusalem. Almost all of Daniel is about the restoration of His people and the city- the 490 years. The most important event in the history of mankind is being discussed and prophesied in Daniel. 
 

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Secondly, it was not something Jesus had to fulfill, the 6 steps were about Israel, not Jesus. Israel needed to repent, not Jesus. The promise was already in use by Abraham and others, that's why they will be in Heaven, so anyone saying Jesus had to fulfill that before Israel could repent are just wrong. Thus the 6 goals were about Israel, not Jesus.

I have to disagree with you. Only the Messiah could fulfill the 6 requirements. They were His God given elements to complete during the last week. 

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Those 6 requirements have nothing to do with Jesus and everything to do with Israel.

Please tell me how Israel could possibly fulfill them. 

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Israel fulfilled nothing, they n ever repented, they will do so during the END TINE 70th week. The who reason it went from  70 years to 490 or 7 x 70 is because they never repented, kicking in the TIMED SEVEN laws of Leviticus.

Israel n ever repented as a Nation. EVER.

Not sure I understand all you are meaning to say here, however, Israel would be allowed to return beginning in 457BC. This also was the beginning of the final 4th Great Jubilee cycle. They both are 490 years in duration. Israel would restore the physical elements that were completely destroyed by the Babylonians. They would also restore the Levitical ceremonies and the 7 Feast days that had not taken place due to the Babylonian destruction. The entire prophecy is to restore EVERYTHING that was destroyed by the Babylonians. 
God would use this restoration prophecy to bring in the Messiah at the beginning of the last week. He arrived after the 7 and 62 weeks were completed (69 weeks). First, 9:24 mentions 70 weeks are determined…. To anoint the Most Holy. Meaning Jesus would be anointed WITHIN those 70 weeks. Verse 9:25 says there would be 7 and 62 weeks… and THEN THE MESSIAH- meaning He could and did come AFTER the 69th week was over. There is only one week remaining in the prophecy and this is when:

1) The Messiah is anointed in the Jordan on the first day of the last week, 
2) This will begin His ministry,       
3) This is the only possible week He will be “cut off in the midst of the week,”

4) He is the only one that can restore the Presence of God in the Sanctuary- He represents the restoration of the Ark - the first piece of furniture taken and the last piece restored,

5) In 9:27 He will “confirm the New Covenant- NOT A 7 year covenant but it means He will confirm the NC DURING THIS SAME PERIOD OF THE LAST WEEK OF THE PROPHECY,

6) In 9:27, He will bring an end to sacrificing and offerings- meaning, His death as the Passover Lamb would do away with any further need for animal sacrifices or any offerings, 

This is ALL about the Messiah not Israel. This was all planned from the beginning of time- the Jews would reject their Messiah and they s would begin His church. The Jews failed to preach the One true God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob to the Gentiles. Now, all will able to learn and accept the One true God. 
 

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

WRONG, Jesus has zero to do with the Prophesy, it is/was about Israel. Jesus died on the very last day of the 69th Week.

Please see above. It specifically tells us He will come AFTER 7 and 62 weeks! 
There is only the 70th week remaining… 

7 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

That is el correcto.

The Prophesy is about Israel, not Jesus. That is where you guys get OFF-TRACKED.

And thus you are not ever going to understand these numbers my friend. By the way, the 2300 Evening and Morning sacrifices are equal to 1150 days, since there was an Evening AND Morning sacrifice each day.

No, the 2300 days represents the time from the first day of His ministry (when He was anointed in the Jordan) to (through) the final Passover that would have taken place DURING the last week of the prophecy. Jesus would attend His first Passover exactly 6 months after He was anointed, thus, the 7th Passover would occur exactly 6 months BEFORE the end of the last week of the prophecy (set aside week). Meaning, verse 8:13 tells us there will be 2300 days until the Sanctuary would be cleansed. The ONLY one that can cleanse the Sanctuary is God, thus, at the conclusion of the 7th Passover, which was within this “set aside” final week, it would be cleansed. Therefore, this time period is calculated as 6.5 years X 360 days per year or 2340 total days (His start date of His ministry to the last Passover). However, because He not only came to serve as our Passover Lamb, He also came to be our High Priest. 
 

Under the Levitical laws, BOTH the High Priest and the sacrificial lamb MUST BE PURE AND FREE OF BLEMISH. Jesus would honor His Father’s laws and MUST ALSO be cleansed. And He was! The day after He was anointed, He went directly into the desert to be tempted by the devil for 40 days. Thus, the 2340 days calculated above would have to be reduced by the “cleansing time” of 40 days leaving exactly 2300 days. 
 

The Scriptures are all about the Messiah and His plan of salvation / restoration for mankind. The Jews were chosen to play a major part in His plan but they failed… but His plan would not be destroyed by their failure to preach the one true God to the world. And it was always in His plan they would reject their Messiah and be punished for 2000 years. 
 

God will return to His people after the “time of the Gentiles.” After God opens their eyes that He was / is their Messiah, they will preach the Word of God and the Testimony of Jesus just as Paul, John, and Matthew did after the cross. Then, the Messiah will return. 

As I mentioned, I have no interest in arguing with you or anyone’s details or interpretations regarding how these verses in Daniel speak to the end times. I know they do not and it was only after my 5 years of looking at Daniel and all of “today’s accepted interpretations” did I come away realizing there was absolutely no consistency in their incomplete interpretations. So, I decided to try and unpack Daniel using “today’s accepted interpretations” as a starting point and asking questions as I moved through each chapter. 

[Dennis1209]

Admittedly, my thoughts may not be accurate, but the following is how I currently view it. The Bible alludes to several time gaps in various dispensations or covenant theology. I will list them if requested. Are we all on the same page, using the Jewish lunar calendar of 360-day years? Using math, the Sanhedrin and Pharisees should have calculated and known the exact day their Messiah would enter Jerusalem on a donkey to present Himself on Palm Sunday.   

Likewise, those Jews and Christians who survive the two halves of the tribulation (1260 + 1260 = 2,520 days), or seven years, should know to the day of Jesus’s 2^nd Coming. The Rapture has always been imminent, with no signs or anything preceding it. Therefore, I surmise the tribulation lasts precisely 2,520 days, then the Lord’s feet hit the ground at the Mount of Olives.

Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. (Daniel 12:12)

Extensions to the 2,520 days seem to be a gap before the rod of iron millennial reign of Christ begins, the official inauguration of Christ as King, to set up the Kingdom of Heaven the Jews initially rejected. Several things must be dealt with in this interim before Christ’s reign.

The holy land will be a mess from all the tribulation carnage, sin, and judgments and must be cleansed and purified. The image of the Beast, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet must be dealt with. Satan will be chained and cast out for a thousand years. The sheep and goat judgment of the nations must take place, etc.

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: (Matthew 25:31-34)

The sheep will be blessed and allowed to enter the millennium; the goats will be killed off.

As I implied, we all have different hermeneutics and interpretations of unfulfilled prophecy.

[Charlie744]

1 hour ago, Dennis1209 said:

Admittedly, my thoughts may not be accurate, but the following is how I currently view it. The Bible alludes to several time gaps in various dispensations or covenant theology. I will list them if requested. Are we all on the same page, using the Jewish lunar calendar of 360-day years? Using math, the Sanhedrin and Pharisees should have calculated and known the exact day their Messiah would enter Jerusalem on a donkey to present Himself on Palm Sunday.   

Likewise, those Jews and Christians who survive the two halves of the tribulation (1260 + 1260 = 2,520 days), or seven years, should know to the day of Jesus’s 2^nd Coming. The Rapture has always been imminent, with no signs or anything preceding it. Therefore, I surmise the tribulation lasts precisely 2,520 days, then the Lord’s feet hit the ground at the Mount of Olives.

Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days. (Daniel 12:12)

Extensions to the 2,520 days seem to be a gap before the rod of iron millennial reign of Christ begins, the official inauguration of Christ as King, to set up the Kingdom of Heaven the Jews initially rejected. Several things must be dealt with in this interim before Christ’s reign.

The holy land will be a mess from all the tribulation carnage, sin, and judgments and must be cleansed and purified. The image of the Beast, the Antichrist, and the False Prophet must be dealt with. Satan will be chained and cast out for a thousand years. The sheep and goat judgment of the nations must take place, etc.

When the Son of man shall come in his glory, and all the holy angels with him, then shall he sit upon the throne of his glory: And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats: And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left. Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: (Matthew 25:31-34)

The sheep will be blessed and allowed to enter the millennium; the goats will be killed off.

As I implied, we all have different hermeneutics and interpretations of unfulfilled prophecy.

I CANNOT speakw about Revelation but I can discuss Daniel.

If you would like to discuss the “gaps” as you mentioned above (with respect to Daniel), or any time element within Daniel or any other interpretation within Daniel I would be interested…

Because so much has been written on Daniel, and it is such a complicated and difficult book to interpret, we might take one interpretation at a time. But keep in mind that it is difficult to address any one interpretation without having to lean on others that support them. 
 

If I may, where do you get the 7 year tribulation period?

Not sure I understand where the 2520 days comes from (in  your response). 
 

In calculating any of the time elements in Daniel, I believe it is necessary to identify what is being calculated. What is the event or purpose for a given time element in Daniel. 
 

But most importantly, Daniel is about the Messiah and His plan of salvation. It is the most unbelievable time in our history and this is why and where these events are being prophesied- in the Book of Daniel. If not in Daniel, then where? 
 

Thanks .. 
 

 

[Revelation Man]

11 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

No, everyone contends these verses speak to the end of times… that is the truth.

Reread it.......I said EVERYONE in the KNOW.........KNOWS. Which means if you do not know this you are not in the group that knows or understands the Prophecy, imho. I never said everyone thinks alike on this.

11 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

that is the truth. But it is NOT the correct interpretations of the book of Daniel. Daniel was written for the Jews and His holy city Jerusalem. Almost all of Daniel is about the restoration of His people and the city- the 490 years. The most important event in the history of mankind is being discussed and prophesied in Daniel. 

Everything Daniel is told, EVERYWHERE always ends in a 7 year End Time Prophetic Event.

END TIME PASSAGES BY DANIEL

Dan. 2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.

44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

Dan. 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.

11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.

12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time. 13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him. 14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.

Dan. 7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.

27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.

Dan. 8:23 And in the latter time of their kingdom, when the transgressors are come to the full, a king of fierce countenance, and understanding dark sentences, shall stand up.

24 And his power shall be mighty, but not by his own power(Rev. 13:4-6): and he shall destroy wonderfully, and shall prosper, and practise, and shall destroy the mighty and the holy people.

25 And through his policy also he shall cause craft to prosper in his hand; and he shall magnify himself in his heart, and by peace shall destroy many: he shall also stand up against the Prince of princes;(Jesus) but he shall be broken without hand.

Dan. 9:27 And he (Anti-Christ) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

Dan. 11:36 And the king shall do according to his will; and he shall exalt himself, and magnify himself above every god, and shall speak marvellous things against the God of gods, and shall prosper till the indignation be accomplished: for that that is determined shall be done. 37 Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor [regard] the desire of women, nor regard any god: for he shall magnify himself above all. 38 But in his estate shall he honour the God of forces: and a god whom his fathers knew not shall he honour with gold, and silver, and with precious stones, and pleasant things. 39 Thus shall he do in the most strong holds with a strange god, whom he shall acknowledge and increase with glory: and he shall cause them to rule over many, and shall divide the land for gain.

40 And at the time of the end shall the king of the south push at him: and the king of the north(A.C.) shall come against him like a whirlwind, with chariots, and with horsemen, and with many ships; and he shall enter into the countries, and shall overflow and pass over. (Turkey, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan)

41 He shall enter also into the glorious land(Israel), and many (THE MANY in Dan. 8:25 is Nations) countries shall be overthrown: but these shall escape out of his hand, even Edom, and Moab, and the chief of the children of Ammon(Petra area).

42 He shall stretch forth his hand also upon the countries: and the land of Egypt shall not escape. 43 But he shall have power over the treasures of gold and of silver, and over all the precious things of Egypt: and the Libyans and the Ethiopians shall be at his steps.

44 But tidings out of the east and out of the north shall trouble him(Russia & China threaten him): therefore he shall go forth with great fury to destroy(He conquers the Mediterranean rea FAST, or speedily so they have no time to stop him), and utterly to make away many. 45 And he shall plant the tabernacles of his palace between the seas in the glorious holy mountain; yet he shall come to his end, and none shall help him.

Daniel 12 finishes off Daniel 11:36-45 story

Dan. 12:1 And at that time shall Michael stand up(see Rev. 12 END TIME EVENTS), the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble (END TIME EVENTS), such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered Israel protected for 1260 days), every one that shall be found written in the book.

2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. (END TIME EVENTS)

3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. 4 But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

It all ends with the 70th week yet to come my Brother in Christ.

11 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

I have to disagree with you. Only the Messiah could fulfill the 6 requirements. They were His God given elements to complete during the last week. 

I have a blog on this from years ago, its Israel who has to repent, not Jesus. SEE BELOW:

11 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Please tell me how Israel could possibly fulfill them. 

20 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

Daniel's 70 Weeks Decree against Israel

In Daniel 9:24, Daniel prophesied that these six things must come to pass before this judgment against Israel would be fulfilled. Some think Jesus fulfilled all of these, most seem to think, as I do, that these things have not come to pass, and when they do that will be the end of the age.

1. Finish the transgression (Israel must end the rebellion or revolt against God before the 70 weeks prophecy can end)
2. Make and end of sins (Israel must stop willful sinning against God before the 70th week can end)
3. To make reconciliation for iniquity (Israel must repent before the 70 weeks decree can end, they do so via Elijah)
4. Bring in everlasting righteousness (This can not happen until Jesus sets up the Kingdom Age in Jerusalem)
5. To seal up vision and prophecy (all Prophecy must be wrapped up, and finished before the 70th week prophesy can end)
6. Anoint the most Holy (Jesus must be anointed Kings of kings and Lord of Lords before the 70th week can end) 

1. The Hebrew word used for transgression denotes revolt or rebellion. The Jewish people chose to reject God, many chose to stay in Babylon once they were freed. It also denotes their rejection of Jesus Christ. Jesus prophesied in Matthew 23:39 that the Jewish people would not see him again until they accepted him. 39 For I say unto you, Ye shall not see me henceforth, till ye shall say, Blessed is he that cometh in the name of the Lord. So in order for Jesus to return, Israel has to repent of their rejection of God and Jesus, and Israel will open their hearts to the Messiah, as Paul, Isaiah and Zechariah (Zechariah 12:10) prophesied, among others.

2. This is fairly straightforward, willful sins can only end when the millennial reign starts, so by the time this 70 week decree is over, Jesus will have returned to set up his kingdom, ushering in the millennial kingdom where there will be no  willful sins. Since the tribulation week is the last week of the 70 weeks decree, that makes perfect sense, as soon as the tribulation period ends, or the “time of Jacob’s trouble”, then “ willful sins will end”.

3. Israel has to be reconciled unto God before the 70 weeks have been fulfilled. There is no doubt that Jesus died for all of our sins, thus the atonement for sins has been made, but there is a conditional requirement for all of us to receive that atonement, we must accept Jesus as our Savior. When Israel accepts the Messiah Jesus, as their Messiah, then the atonement for sins will have been completed, and Israel will have been reconciled unto God, thereby ushering in the millennial kingdom.

4. This 70 week decree has to bring in everlasting righteousness, and we know this can not happen until Jesus sets up his Kingdom. This world has always had sin, and always will until Jesus is Lord of Lords and King of Kings. By the time Daniels prophecy ends, it must usher in everlasting righteousness.

5. Seal up vision and prophecy, the word used here denotes to close up, meaning that before this 70th week can come to an end, all prophecy must be fulfilled or closed up. This will only happen when Israel accepts Jesus as their Messiah and he lands on Mt. Zion to rule over this wicked world with a rod of iron.

6. The very last goal that this 70 week prophecy has to usher in is the anointing of the most holy. The bible says most holy, many try to add holy place, but whether it is the temple being anointed, or Jesus Christ as Lord of Lord and Kings of Kings as I suspect, we know this must happen before the 70 weeks decree is fulfilled. And Jesus must return and rule on earth.

All six of these things have to happen before this prophecy is fulfilled. These are six spiritual goals that have to come to pass or this prophecy will not be finished or sealed up. We know these things have not come to pass yet, but we also know they are very near to happening, therefore watch, for Israel is now a nation again, and the world is against her, soon she will need her Messiah s help, then she will call upon him, and he will save her from this wicked world.

Edited June 2, 2024 by Revelation Man

[Dennis1209]

5 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

I CANNOT speakw about Revelation but I can discuss Daniel.

If you would like to discuss the “gaps” as you mentioned above (with respect to Daniel), or any time element within Daniel or any other interpretation within Daniel I would be interested…

Because so much has been written on Daniel, and it is such a complicated and difficult book to interpret, we might take one interpretation at a time. But keep in mind that it is difficult to address any one interpretation without having to lean on others that support them. 
 

If I may, where do you get the 7 year tribulation period?

Not sure I understand where the 2520 days comes from (in  your response). 
 

In calculating any of the time elements in Daniel, I believe it is necessary to identify what is being calculated. What is the event or purpose for a given time element in Daniel. 
 

But most importantly, Daniel is about the Messiah and His plan of salvation. It is the most unbelievable time in our history and this is why and where these events are being prophesied- in the Book of Daniel. If not in Daniel, then where? 
 

Thanks .. 
 

 

Well, there is no short and simple answer to your questions I can come up with. So, here are some of my well documented notes fully explained on where and how we come up with the final week, seven days representing seven years.

1. The scope: Daniel 9:24 - 490 years
2. The 483 years: Daniel 9:25
3. The church age: Daniel 9:26
4. The last 7 years: Daniels 70th week - Time of Jacob’s trouble (3.5 years)

  As the events recorded in Rev. 6:1 to Rev. 19:21, are connected with the last, or “Seventieth Week,” of Daniel’s “SEVENTY WEEKS,” it is necessary that we stop here and explain what is meant by Daniel’s “Seventieth Week.”

[Dennis note: The 70^th week (time of Jacob’s trouble) starts exactly when this occurs]

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (7 years): and in the midst of the week (3.5 years – A.O.D.) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. [emphasis added]

The Prophet Daniel had been 68 years (B.C. 538) in Babylon, and by a study of the Prophecy of Jeremiah (Jer. 25:11), he discovered that the “Seventy Years” Captivity of his people was nearing its end, and so he set his face unto the Lord, to seek by prayer and supplication (Dan. 9:3) to know the exact time of its ending, and while he was praying the Angel Gabriel appeared to enlighten him. (Dan. 9:20–23.) Daniel was concerned about the expiration of the “Seventy Years” of the Captivity, and the restoration of his people to Palestine, and the rebuilding of the City of Jerusalem and of the Temple. But the Angel Gabriel came to disclose to him something more important than that. While he doubtless informed Daniel that God would fulfill His promise as to the “Seventy Years” of the Captivity, which, as we know, He did, he also made known to Daniel that that would not end the troubles of Israel. That while the Jews were to return to Jerusalem at the end of the “Seventy Years” of Captivity, there was a longer period to elapse before the Kingdom would be restored to them, a period of

“SEVENTY WEEKS.”

  “SEVENTY WEEKS are determined upon Thy People (Daniel’s people the Jews) and upon the Holy City (Jerusalem), to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the ‘MESSIAH THE PRINCE’ shall be SEVEN WEEKS, and THREESCORE AND TWO WEEKS: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after THREESCORE AND TWO WEEKS shall MESSIAH BE CUT OFF, but not for Himself: and the people (Roman) of the PRINCE THAT SHALL COME (Antichrist) shall destroy the City and the Sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he (Antichrist) shall confirm the Covenant with many for ONE WEEK (the last or Seventieth Week): and in the midst of THE WEEK he (Antichrist) shall cause the Sacrifice and the oblations to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations (the Abomination of Desolation spoken of by Christ, Matt. 24:15) he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.” Dan. 9:24–27.

This Vision of the “SEVENTY WEEKS” is the most important revelation, in many ways, made in the Scriptures. We are here told that this Period of “SEVENTY WEEKS” was determined upon Daniel’s PEOPLE (the Jews), and upon the HOLY CITY (Jerusalem). This is very important. It discloses the fact that the “SEVENTY WEEKS” have nothing to do with the Gentiles, or the Church, but only with the JEWS and JERUSALEM. It also discloses another important fact that the “SEVENTY WEEKS” only cover the period when the Jews are DWELLING IN THEIR OWN LAND, and does not cover the present period of their Dispersion. We are told in verse 24 that these “SEVENTY WEEKS” were determined for a SIX-FOLD purpose.

1. TO FINISH THE TRANSGRESSION.

It is the transgression of ISRAEL that is here referred to, and the finishing of it will be the turning away of UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB. Rom. 11:26–27. The transgression of Israel has not yet come to an end, and will not until they as a Nation shall be converted.

2.TO MAKE AN END OF SINS.

The margin reads to “seal up” sins. The sins of ISRAEL. This may refer to the author of Israel’s sins—Satan, who shall at that time be “sealed up” in the Pit. Rev. 20:1–3.

3. TO MAKE RECONCILIATION FOR INIQUITY.

This refers to ISRAEL’S iniquity in the rejection of their Messiah. While atonement was made for their sin on the Cross, its application to Israel as a Nation awaits the day when they shall look on Him whom they pierced (Zech. 12:10), and a fountain shall be opened to the “House of David,” and the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and uncleanliness, Zech. 13:1, and a nation, the Jewish Nation, shall be “born again” in a day. Isa. 66:8.

4. TO BRING IN EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS.

When the “Transgression of ISRAEL” has come to an end, and her sins are “sealed up,” then everlasting righteousness shall be brought in. The King will come, and the Kingdom be restored to Israel, and the Millennium will be here, and the “Knowledge of the Lord” shall cover the earth, as the waters cover the sea. Hab. 2:14.

5. TO SEAL UP THE VISION AND PROPHECY.

When the “Transgression of ISRAEL” has ceased and they have uninterrupted communion with God, there will no longer be any need for “Vision” or “Prophet.” It is a noteworthy fact that “Vision” and “Prophecy” has been confined to the Jewish race.

6. TO ANOINT THE MOST HOLY.

This probably refers to the anointing of the “Most Holy Place,” or the “Holy of Holies” of the MILLENNIAL TEMPLE, described by Ezekiel. Ezek. 41. There is great significance in this announcement; for, although the Tabernacle of Moses was anointed (Lev. 8:10), there is no mention of such a ceremony in the Consecration of either Solomon’s Temple, or the Temple of Zerubbabel, for those buildings were considered merely as continuations of the Mosaic Tabernacle. But when the King comes back and sits upon the Throne of His father David, there is to be a magnificent Temple erected, the like of which has never as yet been seen on this planet of ours. There will be no “Ark of the Covenant” with its “Mercy Seat,” in the “Most Holy Place” of the Millennial Temple (Jer. 3:16), but in its place will stand the ROYAL THRONE on which the “BRANCH,” the Messiah shall sit as a KING-PRIEST (Zech. 6:12–13), and whose anointing is here referred to.

Now as the fulfilment of this “Six-Fold” purpose of the “SEVENTY WEEKS” synchronizes with the things that shall happen at the close of this Dispensation, and that are described in Rev. 6:1; 19:21, it is clear that the last, or “SEVENTIETH WEEK” of Daniel’s “Seventy Weeks,” covers the “TIME PERIOD” of Rev. 6:1; 19:21, and confirms the claim that that “Period” is Jewish and has nothing to do with the Church. To prove this it is only necessary to outline Daniel’s “Seventy Weeks.”

The “Seventy Weeks” are divided into “THREE PERIODS” of 7 Weeks, and 62 Weeks, and 1 Week. They cover the time from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem, which was the 14th day of the month Nisan (March) B. C. 445, to the Second Stage (The Revelation) of the Second Coming of Christ. The “First Period,” 7 WEEKS, refers to the time required to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem, which was 49 years, thus giving us the “Key” to the meaning of the word “WEEK,” for if 7 WEEKS are equal to 49 YEARS, then 1 WEEK is equal to 7 YEARS. Now we are told that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (B. C. 445) unto the “MESSIAH THE PRINCE,” shall be 7 WEEKS, and THREESCORE AND TWO WEEKS, or 69 WEEKS, or, if 1 WEEK is equal to 7 YEARS, 7 × 69 or 483 YEARS. Now Jesus, as “MESSIAH THE PRINCE,” rode in triumph into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday, April 2, A. D. 30. The difference in time between B. C. 445 and A. D. 30 is 475 years, but, as we have seen, 69 WEEKS equal 483 years, a difference of 8 years. How are we to explain this difference?

The 475 years between B. C. 445 and A. D. 30, are Julian or Astronomical years of 365¼ days each, but when we reduce them to Calendar years of 360 days each, the year used in the Scriptures, we find that we have exactly 483 years of 360 days each. This proves that there was no break between the “First” and “Second” Periods of the “Seventy Weeks,” and that the prophecy that there should be 69 WEEKS to the coming of “MESSIAH THE PRINCE” was literally fulfilled. Now as 69 WEEKS of Daniel’s “SEVENTY WEEKS” have already expired, and all that was prophesied to occur during those “SEVENTY WEEKS” has not yet been fulfilled, it stands to reason that the things unfulfilled are still future, and must be fulfilled in the remaining “ONE WEEK,” and that that “ONE WEEK” shall be “SEVEN YEARS” long, for it must be of the same length as the other “WEEKS.” This then gives us the length of time of the reign of the “PRINCE THAT SHALL COME” (Antichrist), who we are told in verse 27 (Dan. 9:27) shall make a Covenant with the Jews for “ONE WEEK” (7 years), the last or “SEVENTIETH WEEK,” and that in the “Middle” of the WEEK he shall break the Covenant and cause the “sacrifice and oblation” that the Jews will have restored, to cease, and then the “overspreading of abominations that maketh desolate,” shall continue until the end of the WEEK. As this is just what is foretold will occur during the reign of Antichrist (2. Thess. 2:3–4) we see that the “Period” between Rev. 6:1 and Rev. 19:21, that we are now about to study, is the “Third Period” of ONE WEEK, of Daniel’s “SEVENTY WEEKS” and that it is to last SEVEN YEARS. From this we see that while there was no “Time Space” between the “First” and “Second” Periods of the “Seventy Weeks,” there is a “Time Space” between the “Second” and “Third” Periods or the 69th and 70th Week, of already (A. D. 1919) 1889 years, or the present Church Age. This was hidden so the Church should not fail to watch. See the Chart, “Daniel’s Seventy Weeks.”¹¹ Larkin, Clarence. The Book of Revelation: A Study of the Last Prophetic Book of Holy Scripture. Philadelphia, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate, 1919. Print.

There will be a “total” of 70 sevens until God basically wraps up history and fulfills the rest of His promises that He made to the Jewish people. However, after 62 sevens and 7 sevens for a total of 69 sevens have passed, after the decree that goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem from Daniel’s time, the Anointed One or the Messiah will be “cut off.” That’s exactly what we see with Jesus’ Triumphal entry into Jerusalem. History records for us the date when King Artexerxes issued that commandment to rebuild Jerusalem in 445 B.C. So, if you take the 69 sevens or years mentioned above that need to transpire before the Messiah is cut off, and times that by 7 for each year, you get a total of 483 years. To calculate the exact number of days, you need to take the 483 years and times it by 360 (because the Jewish calendar only had 360 days for each year) and you get a grand total of 173,880 days. So, what happened 173,880 days after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem? Well that just happens to be the exact date Jesus made His Triumphal entry into Jerusalem where He was rejected or cut off from His people! That’s not by chance! And neither is the “event” that is presented in the next verse. ¹

¹ Crone, Billy. The Seals: A Panoramic View of the First Half of the Seven Year Tribulation (pp. 15-16). Get A Life Ministries. Kindle Edition. 

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

After threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off: These are weeks of years. Assumes the first seven weeks [a week equals seven years] have already transpired and serves to summarize the passing of the previous 69 weeks of years [483 years]. There is a gap of unknown length of time between the 69th and 70th week (the church age - age of Grace). This gap between the 69th and 70th week is the church age or age of Grace. The Hebrews use the solar calendar of 360-day years. The time span from Artaxerxes decree to rebuild the city in March 444 B.C. until Christ’s crucifixion in April A.D. 33, covered 483 prophetical years (173,880 days).

In Daniel 9:26, pay attention to the colon [;] after the word sanctuary. This colon now represents about 2,000 years so far; and at the colon it shifts focus to the seven year tribulation period.

Notice Luke 4:18-19 where Jesus is quoting Isaiah 61:2 and ends verse 19 with a period. He does not complete the last half of Isaiah 61:2, because it is yet future and has lasted about two thousand years thus far (a gap).

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19. To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. [<- this period] 20. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 

Isaiah 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; [left out]

… but not for himself: Jesus died on the Cross as a substitutionary death in our place. He took on all past, present, and future sins of all humanity and nailed them to the Cross. We need only to accept this free gift of Salvation by asking Jesus into our lives, believing in faith in Him and Him alone to deliver us, and repenting and turning away from our sins and following Him. ¹

 

¹ Dennis commentary

[Charlie744]

26 minutes ago, Dennis1209 said:

Well, there is no short and simple answer to your questions I can come up with. So, here are some of my well documented notes fully explained on where and how we come up with the final week, seven days representing seven years.

1. The scope: Daniel 9:24 - 490 years
2. The 483 years: Daniel 9:25
3. The church age: Daniel 9:26
4. The last 7 years: Daniels 70th week - Time of Jacob’s trouble (3.5 years)

  As the events recorded in Rev. 6:1 to Rev. 19:21, are connected with the last, or “Seventieth Week,” of Daniel’s “SEVENTY WEEKS,” it is necessary that we stop here and explain what is meant by Daniel’s “Seventieth Week.”

[Dennis note: The 70^th week (time of Jacob’s trouble) starts exactly when this occurs]

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (7 years): and in the midst of the week (3.5 years – A.O.D.) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. [emphasis added]

The Prophet Daniel had been 68 years (B.C. 538) in Babylon, and by a study of the Prophecy of Jeremiah (Jer. 25:11), he discovered that the “Seventy Years” Captivity of his people was nearing its end, and so he set his face unto the Lord, to seek by prayer and supplication (Dan. 9:3) to know the exact time of its ending, and while he was praying the Angel Gabriel appeared to enlighten him. (Dan. 9:20–23.) Daniel was concerned about the expiration of the “Seventy Years” of the Captivity, and the restoration of his people to Palestine, and the rebuilding of the City of Jerusalem and of the Temple. But the Angel Gabriel came to disclose to him something more important than that. While he doubtless informed Daniel that God would fulfill His promise as to the “Seventy Years” of the Captivity, which, as we know, He did, he also made known to Daniel that that would not end the troubles of Israel. That while the Jews were to return to Jerusalem at the end of the “Seventy Years” of Captivity, there was a longer period to elapse before the Kingdom would be restored to them, a period of

“SEVENTY WEEKS.”

  “SEVENTY WEEKS are determined upon Thy People (Daniel’s people the Jews) and upon the Holy City (Jerusalem), to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the ‘MESSIAH THE PRINCE’ shall be SEVEN WEEKS, and THREESCORE AND TWO WEEKS: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after THREESCORE AND TWO WEEKS shall MESSIAH BE CUT OFF, but not for Himself: and the people (Roman) of the PRINCE THAT SHALL COME (Antichrist) shall destroy the City and the Sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he (Antichrist) shall confirm the Covenant with many for ONE WEEK (the last or Seventieth Week): and in the midst of THE WEEK he (Antichrist) shall cause the Sacrifice and the oblations to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations (the Abomination of Desolation spoken of by Christ, Matt. 24:15) he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.” Dan. 9:24–27.

This Vision of the “SEVENTY WEEKS” is the most important revelation, in many ways, made in the Scriptures. We are here told that this Period of “SEVENTY WEEKS” was determined upon Daniel’s PEOPLE (the Jews), and upon the HOLY CITY (Jerusalem). This is very important. It discloses the fact that the “SEVENTY WEEKS” have nothing to do with the Gentiles, or the Church, but only with the JEWS and JERUSALEM. It also discloses another important fact that the “SEVENTY WEEKS” only cover the period when the Jews are DWELLING IN THEIR OWN LAND, and does not cover the present period of their Dispersion. We are told in verse 24 that these “SEVENTY WEEKS” were determined for a SIX-FOLD purpose.

1. TO FINISH THE TRANSGRESSION.

It is the transgression of ISRAEL that is here referred to, and the finishing of it will be the turning away of UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB. Rom. 11:26–27. The transgression of Israel has not yet come to an end, and will not until they as a Nation shall be converted.

2.TO MAKE AN END OF SINS.

The margin reads to “seal up” sins. The sins of ISRAEL. This may refer to the author of Israel’s sins—Satan, who shall at that time be “sealed up” in the Pit. Rev. 20:1–3.

3. TO MAKE RECONCILIATION FOR INIQUITY.

This refers to ISRAEL’S iniquity in the rejection of their Messiah. While atonement was made for their sin on the Cross, its application to Israel as a Nation awaits the day when they shall look on Him whom they pierced (Zech. 12:10), and a fountain shall be opened to the “House of David,” and the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and uncleanliness, Zech. 13:1, and a nation, the Jewish Nation, shall be “born again” in a day. Isa. 66:8.

4. TO BRING IN EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS.

When the “Transgression of ISRAEL” has come to an end, and her sins are “sealed up,” then everlasting righteousness shall be brought in. The King will come, and the Kingdom be restored to Israel, and the Millennium will be here, and the “Knowledge of the Lord” shall cover the earth, as the waters cover the sea. Hab. 2:14.

5. TO SEAL UP THE VISION AND PROPHECY.

When the “Transgression of ISRAEL” has ceased and they have uninterrupted communion with God, there will no longer be any need for “Vision” or “Prophet.” It is a noteworthy fact that “Vision” and “Prophecy” has been confined to the Jewish race.

6. TO ANOINT THE MOST HOLY.

This probably refers to the anointing of the “Most Holy Place,” or the “Holy of Holies” of the MILLENNIAL TEMPLE, described by Ezekiel. Ezek. 41. There is great significance in this announcement; for, although the Tabernacle of Moses was anointed (Lev. 8:10), there is no mention of such a ceremony in the Consecration of either Solomon’s Temple, or the Temple of Zerubbabel, for those buildings were considered merely as continuations of the Mosaic Tabernacle. But when the King comes back and sits upon the Throne of His father David, there is to be a magnificent Temple erected, the like of which has never as yet been seen on this planet of ours. There will be no “Ark of the Covenant” with its “Mercy Seat,” in the “Most Holy Place” of the Millennial Temple (Jer. 3:16), but in its place will stand the ROYAL THRONE on which the “BRANCH,” the Messiah shall sit as a KING-PRIEST (Zech. 6:12–13), and whose anointing is here referred to.

Now as the fulfilment of this “Six-Fold” purpose of the “SEVENTY WEEKS” synchronizes with the things that shall happen at the close of this Dispensation, and that are described in Rev. 6:1; 19:21, it is clear that the last, or “SEVENTIETH WEEK” of Daniel’s “Seventy Weeks,” covers the “TIME PERIOD” of Rev. 6:1; 19:21, and confirms the claim that that “Period” is Jewish and has nothing to do with the Church. To prove this it is only necessary to outline Daniel’s “Seventy Weeks.”

The “Seventy Weeks” are divided into “THREE PERIODS” of 7 Weeks, and 62 Weeks, and 1 Week. They cover the time from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem, which was the 14th day of the month Nisan (March) B. C. 445, to the Second Stage (The Revelation) of the Second Coming of Christ. The “First Period,” 7 WEEKS, refers to the time required to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem, which was 49 years, thus giving us the “Key” to the meaning of the word “WEEK,” for if 7 WEEKS are equal to 49 YEARS, then 1 WEEK is equal to 7 YEARS. Now we are told that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (B. C. 445) unto the “MESSIAH THE PRINCE,” shall be 7 WEEKS, and THREESCORE AND TWO WEEKS, or 69 WEEKS, or, if 1 WEEK is equal to 7 YEARS, 7 × 69 or 483 YEARS. Now Jesus, as “MESSIAH THE PRINCE,” rode in triumph into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday, April 2, A. D. 30. The difference in time between B. C. 445 and A. D. 30 is 475 years, but, as we have seen, 69 WEEKS equal 483 years, a difference of 8 years. How are we to explain this difference?

The 475 years between B. C. 445 and A. D. 30, are Julian or Astronomical years of 365¼ days each, but when we reduce them to Calendar years of 360 days each, the year used in the Scriptures, we find that we have exactly 483 years of 360 days each. This proves that there was no break between the “First” and “Second” Periods of the “Seventy Weeks,” and that the prophecy that there should be 69 WEEKS to the coming of “MESSIAH THE PRINCE” was literally fulfilled. Now as 69 WEEKS of Daniel’s “SEVENTY WEEKS” have already expired, and all that was prophesied to occur during those “SEVENTY WEEKS” has not yet been fulfilled, it stands to reason that the things unfulfilled are still future, and must be fulfilled in the remaining “ONE WEEK,” and that that “ONE WEEK” shall be “SEVEN YEARS” long, for it must be of the same length as the other “WEEKS.” This then gives us the length of time of the reign of the “PRINCE THAT SHALL COME” (Antichrist), who we are told in verse 27 (Dan. 9:27) shall make a Covenant with the Jews for “ONE WEEK” (7 years), the last or “SEVENTIETH WEEK,” and that in the “Middle” of the WEEK he shall break the Covenant and cause the “sacrifice and oblation” that the Jews will have restored, to cease, and then the “overspreading of abominations that maketh desolate,” shall continue until the end of the WEEK. As this is just what is foretold will occur during the reign of Antichrist (2. Thess. 2:3–4) we see that the “Period” between Rev. 6:1 and Rev. 19:21, that we are now about to study, is the “Third Period” of ONE WEEK, of Daniel’s “SEVENTY WEEKS” and that it is to last SEVEN YEARS. From this we see that while there was no “Time Space” between the “First” and “Second” Periods of the “Seventy Weeks,” there is a “Time Space” between the “Second” and “Third” Periods or the 69th and 70th Week, of already (A. D. 1919) 1889 years, or the present Church Age. This was hidden so the Church should not fail to watch. See the Chart, “Daniel’s Seventy Weeks.”¹¹ Larkin, Clarence. The Book of Revelation: A Study of the Last Prophetic Book of Holy Scripture. Philadelphia, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate, 1919. Print.

There will be a “total” of 70 sevens until God basically wraps up history and fulfills the rest of His promises that He made to the Jewish people. However, after 62 sevens and 7 sevens for a total of 69 sevens have passed, after the decree that goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem from Daniel’s time, the Anointed One or the Messiah will be “cut off.” That’s exactly what we see with Jesus’ Triumphal entry into Jerusalem. History records for us the date when King Artexerxes issued that commandment to rebuild Jerusalem in 445 B.C. So, if you take the 69 sevens or years mentioned above that need to transpire before the Messiah is cut off, and times that by 7 for each year, you get a total of 483 years. To calculate the exact number of days, you need to take the 483 years and times it by 360 (because the Jewish calendar only had 360 days for each year) and you get a grand total of 173,880 days. So, what happened 173,880 days after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem? Well that just happens to be the exact date Jesus made His Triumphal entry into Jerusalem where He was rejected or cut off from His people! That’s not by chance! And neither is the “event” that is presented in the next verse. ¹

¹ Crone, Billy. The Seals: A Panoramic View of the First Half of the Seven Year Tribulation (pp. 15-16). Get A Life Ministries. Kindle Edition. 

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

After threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off: These are weeks of years. Assumes the first seven weeks [a week equals seven years] have already transpired and serves to summarize the passing of the previous 69 weeks of years [483 years]. There is a gap of unknown length of time between the 69th and 70th week (the church age - age of Grace). This gap between the 69th and 70th week is the church age or age of Grace. The Hebrews use the solar calendar of 360-day years. The time span from Artaxerxes decree to rebuild the city in March 444 B.C. until Christ’s crucifixion in April A.D. 33, covered 483 prophetical years (173,880 days).

In Daniel 9:26, pay attention to the colon [;] after the word sanctuary. This colon now represents about 2,000 years so far; and at the colon it shifts focus to the seven year tribulation period.

Notice Luke 4:18-19 where Jesus is quoting Isaiah 61:2 and ends verse 19 with a period. He does not complete the last half of Isaiah 61:2, because it is yet future and has lasted about two thousand years thus far (a gap).

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19. To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. [<- this period] 20. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 

Isaiah 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; [left out]

… but not for himself: Jesus died on the Cross as a substitutionary death in our place. He took on all past, present, and future sins of all humanity and nailed them to the Cross. We need only to accept this free gift of Salvation by asking Jesus into our lives, believing in faith in Him and Him alone to deliver us, and repenting and turning away from our sins and following Him. ¹

 

¹ Dennis commentary

Dennis, thank you very much for your detailed and clear response!

There are only a few interpretations I disagree with … however, they still are all important to us. 
 

I will respond to this excellent post later - do not have the time right now… 

Very nice again, Charlie 

[Charlie744]

On 6/2/2024 at 3:38 PM, Dennis1209 said:

Well, there is no short and simple answer to your questions I can come up with. So, here are some of my well documented notes fully explained on where and how we come up with the final week, seven days representing seven years.

1. The scope: Daniel 9:24 - 490 years
2. The 483 years: Daniel 9:25
3. The church age: Daniel 9:26
4. The last 7 years: Daniels 70th week - Time of Jacob’s trouble (3.5 years)

  As the events recorded in Rev. 6:1 to Rev. 19:21, are connected with the last, or “Seventieth Week,” of Daniel’s “SEVENTY WEEKS,” it is necessary that we stop here and explain what is meant by Daniel’s “Seventieth Week.”

[Dennis note: The 70^th week (time of Jacob’s trouble) starts exactly when this occurs]

Daniel 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week (7 years): and in the midst of the week (3.5 years – A.O.D.) he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate. [emphasis added]

The Prophet Daniel had been 68 years (B.C. 538) in Babylon, and by a study of the Prophecy of Jeremiah (Jer. 25:11), he discovered that the “Seventy Years” Captivity of his people was nearing its end, and so he set his face unto the Lord, to seek by prayer and supplication (Dan. 9:3) to know the exact time of its ending, and while he was praying the Angel Gabriel appeared to enlighten him. (Dan. 9:20–23.) Daniel was concerned about the expiration of the “Seventy Years” of the Captivity, and the restoration of his people to Palestine, and the rebuilding of the City of Jerusalem and of the Temple. But the Angel Gabriel came to disclose to him something more important than that. While he doubtless informed Daniel that God would fulfill His promise as to the “Seventy Years” of the Captivity, which, as we know, He did, he also made known to Daniel that that would not end the troubles of Israel. That while the Jews were to return to Jerusalem at the end of the “Seventy Years” of Captivity, there was a longer period to elapse before the Kingdom would be restored to them, a period of

“SEVENTY WEEKS.”

  “SEVENTY WEEKS are determined upon Thy People (Daniel’s people the Jews) and upon the Holy City (Jerusalem), to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the ‘MESSIAH THE PRINCE’ shall be SEVEN WEEKS, and THREESCORE AND TWO WEEKS: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. And after THREESCORE AND TWO WEEKS shall MESSIAH BE CUT OFF, but not for Himself: and the people (Roman) of the PRINCE THAT SHALL COME (Antichrist) shall destroy the City and the Sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. And he (Antichrist) shall confirm the Covenant with many for ONE WEEK (the last or Seventieth Week): and in the midst of THE WEEK he (Antichrist) shall cause the Sacrifice and the oblations to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations (the Abomination of Desolation spoken of by Christ, Matt. 24:15) he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.” Dan. 9:24–27.

This Vision of the “SEVENTY WEEKS” is the most important revelation, in many ways, made in the Scriptures. We are here told that this Period of “SEVENTY WEEKS” was determined upon Daniel’s PEOPLE (the Jews), and upon the HOLY CITY (Jerusalem). This is very important. It discloses the fact that the “SEVENTY WEEKS” have nothing to do with the Gentiles, or the Church, but only with the JEWS and JERUSALEM. It also discloses another important fact that the “SEVENTY WEEKS” only cover the period when the Jews are DWELLING IN THEIR OWN LAND, and does not cover the present period of their Dispersion. We are told in verse 24 that these “SEVENTY WEEKS” were determined for a SIX-FOLD purpose.

1. TO FINISH THE TRANSGRESSION.

It is the transgression of ISRAEL that is here referred to, and the finishing of it will be the turning away of UNGODLINESS FROM JACOB. Rom. 11:26–27. The transgression of Israel has not yet come to an end, and will not until they as a Nation shall be converted.

2.TO MAKE AN END OF SINS.

The margin reads to “seal up” sins. The sins of ISRAEL. This may refer to the author of Israel’s sins—Satan, who shall at that time be “sealed up” in the Pit. Rev. 20:1–3.

3. TO MAKE RECONCILIATION FOR INIQUITY.

This refers to ISRAEL’S iniquity in the rejection of their Messiah. While atonement was made for their sin on the Cross, its application to Israel as a Nation awaits the day when they shall look on Him whom they pierced (Zech. 12:10), and a fountain shall be opened to the “House of David,” and the inhabitants of Jerusalem for sin and uncleanliness, Zech. 13:1, and a nation, the Jewish Nation, shall be “born again” in a day. Isa. 66:8.

4. TO BRING IN EVERLASTING RIGHTEOUSNESS.

When the “Transgression of ISRAEL” has come to an end, and her sins are “sealed up,” then everlasting righteousness shall be brought in. The King will come, and the Kingdom be restored to Israel, and the Millennium will be here, and the “Knowledge of the Lord” shall cover the earth, as the waters cover the sea. Hab. 2:14.

5. TO SEAL UP THE VISION AND PROPHECY.

When the “Transgression of ISRAEL” has ceased and they have uninterrupted communion with God, there will no longer be any need for “Vision” or “Prophet.” It is a noteworthy fact that “Vision” and “Prophecy” has been confined to the Jewish race.

6. TO ANOINT THE MOST HOLY.

This probably refers to the anointing of the “Most Holy Place,” or the “Holy of Holies” of the MILLENNIAL TEMPLE, described by Ezekiel. Ezek. 41. There is great significance in this announcement; for, although the Tabernacle of Moses was anointed (Lev. 8:10), there is no mention of such a ceremony in the Consecration of either Solomon’s Temple, or the Temple of Zerubbabel, for those buildings were considered merely as continuations of the Mosaic Tabernacle. But when the King comes back and sits upon the Throne of His father David, there is to be a magnificent Temple erected, the like of which has never as yet been seen on this planet of ours. There will be no “Ark of the Covenant” with its “Mercy Seat,” in the “Most Holy Place” of the Millennial Temple (Jer. 3:16), but in its place will stand the ROYAL THRONE on which the “BRANCH,” the Messiah shall sit as a KING-PRIEST (Zech. 6:12–13), and whose anointing is here referred to.

Now as the fulfilment of this “Six-Fold” purpose of the “SEVENTY WEEKS” synchronizes with the things that shall happen at the close of this Dispensation, and that are described in Rev. 6:1; 19:21, it is clear that the last, or “SEVENTIETH WEEK” of Daniel’s “Seventy Weeks,” covers the “TIME PERIOD” of Rev. 6:1; 19:21, and confirms the claim that that “Period” is Jewish and has nothing to do with the Church. To prove this it is only necessary to outline Daniel’s “Seventy Weeks.”

The “Seventy Weeks” are divided into “THREE PERIODS” of 7 Weeks, and 62 Weeks, and 1 Week. They cover the time from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem, which was the 14th day of the month Nisan (March) B. C. 445, to the Second Stage (The Revelation) of the Second Coming of Christ. The “First Period,” 7 WEEKS, refers to the time required to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem, which was 49 years, thus giving us the “Key” to the meaning of the word “WEEK,” for if 7 WEEKS are equal to 49 YEARS, then 1 WEEK is equal to 7 YEARS. Now we are told that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and rebuild Jerusalem (B. C. 445) unto the “MESSIAH THE PRINCE,” shall be 7 WEEKS, and THREESCORE AND TWO WEEKS, or 69 WEEKS, or, if 1 WEEK is equal to 7 YEARS, 7 × 69 or 483 YEARS. Now Jesus, as “MESSIAH THE PRINCE,” rode in triumph into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday, April 2, A. D. 30. The difference in time between B. C. 445 and A. D. 30 is 475 years, but, as we have seen, 69 WEEKS equal 483 years, a difference of 8 years. How are we to explain this difference?

The 475 years between B. C. 445 and A. D. 30, are Julian or Astronomical years of 365¼ days each, but when we reduce them to Calendar years of 360 days each, the year used in the Scriptures, we find that we have exactly 483 years of 360 days each. This proves that there was no break between the “First” and “Second” Periods of the “Seventy Weeks,” and that the prophecy that there should be 69 WEEKS to the coming of “MESSIAH THE PRINCE” was literally fulfilled. Now as 69 WEEKS of Daniel’s “SEVENTY WEEKS” have already expired, and all that was prophesied to occur during those “SEVENTY WEEKS” has not yet been fulfilled, it stands to reason that the things unfulfilled are still future, and must be fulfilled in the remaining “ONE WEEK,” and that that “ONE WEEK” shall be “SEVEN YEARS” long, for it must be of the same length as the other “WEEKS.” This then gives us the length of time of the reign of the “PRINCE THAT SHALL COME” (Antichrist), who we are told in verse 27 (Dan. 9:27) shall make a Covenant with the Jews for “ONE WEEK” (7 years), the last or “SEVENTIETH WEEK,” and that in the “Middle” of the WEEK he shall break the Covenant and cause the “sacrifice and oblation” that the Jews will have restored, to cease, and then the “overspreading of abominations that maketh desolate,” shall continue until the end of the WEEK. As this is just what is foretold will occur during the reign of Antichrist (2. Thess. 2:3–4) we see that the “Period” between Rev. 6:1 and Rev. 19:21, that we are now about to study, is the “Third Period” of ONE WEEK, of Daniel’s “SEVENTY WEEKS” and that it is to last SEVEN YEARS. From this we see that while there was no “Time Space” between the “First” and “Second” Periods of the “Seventy Weeks,” there is a “Time Space” between the “Second” and “Third” Periods or the 69th and 70th Week, of already (A. D. 1919) 1889 years, or the present Church Age. This was hidden so the Church should not fail to watch. See the Chart, “Daniel’s Seventy Weeks.”¹¹ Larkin, Clarence. The Book of Revelation: A Study of the Last Prophetic Book of Holy Scripture. Philadelphia, PA: Rev. Clarence Larkin Estate, 1919. Print.

There will be a “total” of 70 sevens until God basically wraps up history and fulfills the rest of His promises that He made to the Jewish people. However, after 62 sevens and 7 sevens for a total of 69 sevens have passed, after the decree that goes out to restore and rebuild Jerusalem from Daniel’s time, the Anointed One or the Messiah will be “cut off.” That’s exactly what we see with Jesus’ Triumphal entry into Jerusalem. History records for us the date when King Artexerxes issued that commandment to rebuild Jerusalem in 445 B.C. So, if you take the 69 sevens or years mentioned above that need to transpire before the Messiah is cut off, and times that by 7 for each year, you get a total of 483 years. To calculate the exact number of days, you need to take the 483 years and times it by 360 (because the Jewish calendar only had 360 days for each year) and you get a grand total of 173,880 days. So, what happened 173,880 days after the decree to rebuild Jerusalem? Well that just happens to be the exact date Jesus made His Triumphal entry into Jerusalem where He was rejected or cut off from His people! That’s not by chance! And neither is the “event” that is presented in the next verse. ¹

¹ Crone, Billy. The Seals: A Panoramic View of the First Half of the Seven Year Tribulation (pp. 15-16). Get A Life Ministries. Kindle Edition. 

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

After threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off: These are weeks of years. Assumes the first seven weeks [a week equals seven years] have already transpired and serves to summarize the passing of the previous 69 weeks of years [483 years]. There is a gap of unknown length of time between the 69th and 70th week (the church age - age of Grace). This gap between the 69th and 70th week is the church age or age of Grace. The Hebrews use the solar calendar of 360-day years. The time span from Artaxerxes decree to rebuild the city in March 444 B.C. until Christ’s crucifixion in April A.D. 33, covered 483 prophetical years (173,880 days).

In Daniel 9:26, pay attention to the colon [;] after the word sanctuary. This colon now represents about 2,000 years so far; and at the colon it shifts focus to the seven year tribulation period.

Notice Luke 4:18-19 where Jesus is quoting Isaiah 61:2 and ends verse 19 with a period. He does not complete the last half of Isaiah 61:2, because it is yet future and has lasted about two thousand years thus far (a gap).

Luke 4:18 The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised, 19. To preach the acceptable year of the Lord. [<- this period] 20. And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him. 

Isaiah 61:2 To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; [left out]

… but not for himself: Jesus died on the Cross as a substitutionary death in our place. He took on all past, present, and future sins of all humanity and nailed them to the Cross. We need only to accept this free gift of Salvation by asking Jesus into our lives, believing in faith in Him and Him alone to deliver us, and repenting and turning away from our sins and following Him. ¹

 

¹ Dennis commentary

Dennis, sorry for not getting back to you earlier. I have decided not to go through each and every point you have made in the above response. Instead, and I hope you do not mind, I have decided to attach a word document that is nothing more than a cut and paste from my commentary on the Book of Daniel. This was recently completed and I had spent 5 years working on this.  It is now available on Amazon but I am in the process of revising it as we speak. There are more thoughts and grammatical corrections that must be made to the original script. 

I apologize for its length but it is the entire Chapter 9 commentary - easily, the longest in the entire book.

Please let me know what you think should you decide to read it, best wishes always, Charlie

Chapter 9 ONLY - To Dennis.docx