When was Satan cast out of heaven down to the earth?

[1to3]

3 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

I was just reading in Genesis 3:14. 
 

Doesn’t this tell us when satan was removed from heaven? He is now relegated to the earth until the end of time. 
 

As I mentioned, for me, I have to start at the beginning … 

 

I believe satan was cast out sometime after the seventh day of Gods creation

God says in Genesis up until day seven when He rested, that everything was GOOD

satan had  to have become corrupted sometime after day seven through his pride and tradings and from there cast out with  with a third of the angels  who followed him.. They were cast out of the third heaven where God resides and where EVERYTHING there is HOLY .  God cast them out of the third heaven down to the earth realm the moment sin/pride was FOUND IN HIM and a third of the angels..

After sin was found in lucifer, God began to place boundaries to protect His creation and begin His plan to redeem His creation that became corrupt after the fall of Adam an Eve.

satan tempted the angels and

 then Eve and Adam through tempting and awakening their pride through flatterie,

Satan continues to temp man and woman through their pride., trying to make them think by flattering their pride that they can be equal to God and usurp Gods Power and defeat God.

The bible, Gods Word is clear, and Gods plan of redeeming (saving) man/woman was accomplished on the cross of Calvary through Gods only begotten Son Christ Jesus. Gods plan of Mercy and Grace was completed  and satan stronghold on man became broken by the Holy Blood of Christ Jesus who paid the full penalty to redeem us from being ensnared by the lures and traps of sin that satan tries to use on this earth plane realm encluiding 2nd heaven, to trap and ensnare man/woman unto destruction.

satans goal is to steal, kill destroy Gods creation and replace it with his corruption

Gods goal is that we may have life and life abundant in and through Him,

 

 

[Montana Marv]

9 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

Please explain why since Pentecost and what verses lead you to believe Earth is his primary residence.  I think I agree with you here, but I can't recall what verses speak to it.   

 

Job 1:6,7 - indicates earth is his primary residence.  Satan, Where have you come from?  Wandering back and forth across the earth.

Pentecost is the onset of the Church Age.  The indwelling of the H.S.  A mystery hidden in times past, which is the Gospel... Rom 16:25,26....  Satan knew about Israel, but had no knowledge of the Church (Johns/our brethren - Rev 12:13,14) until Pentecost.  Hidden..Mystery 

Rev 12:10-12 - For the accuser of our/Johns brothers/brethren, accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.  Woe to the earth and the sea, because the Devil has gone down to you... and he knows his time is short. (Maybe 3 1/2 years, see Rev 12:13,14)   He was down on earth, then he is up in heaven accusing the brethren, then he is hurled back down to the earth.

Christ defends us before the Father when Satan accuses us before the Father.  The Father sees the Brethren, those in Christ Jesus, through his Son, who is perfect, and thus we are accounted as righteous with no flaws (because we were Purchased out of the Market Place of Sin) as Satan is now trying to accuse us of these flaws.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Charlie744]

3 minutes ago, 1to3 said:

I believe satan was cast out sometime after the seventh day of Gods creation

God says in Genesis up until day seven when He rested, that everything was GOOD

satan had  to have become corrupted sometime after day seven through his pride and tradings and from there cast out with  with a third of the angels  who followed him.. They were cast out of the third heaven where God resides and where EVERYTHING there is HOLY .  God cast them out of the third heaven down to the earth realm the moment sin/pride was FOUND IN HIM and a third of the angels..

After sin was found in lucifer, God began to place boundaries to protect His creation and begin His plan to redeem His creation that became corrupt after the fall of Adam an Eve.

satan tempted the angels and

 then Eve and Adam through tempting and awakening their pride through flatterie,

Satan continues to temp man and woman through their pride., trying to make them think by flattering their pride that they can be equal to God and usurp Gods Power and defeat God.

The bible, Gods Word is clear, and Gods plan of redeeming (saving) man/woman was accomplished on the cross of Calvary through Gods only begotten Son Christ Jesus. Gods plan of Mercy and Grace was completed  and satan stronghold on man became broken by the Holy Blood of Christ Jesus who paid the full penalty to redeem us from being ensnared by the lures and traps of sin that satan tries to use on this earth plane realm encluiding 2nd heaven, to trap and ensnare man/woman unto destruction.

satans goal is to steal, kill destroy Gods creation and replace it with his corruption

Gods goal is that we may have life and life abundant in and through Him,

 

 

Yes, I agree. satan was removed after God created everything outside of heaven and in Genesis 3 we find satan had deceived Adam and Eve and God would cast satan to the earth to eat dust... walk the world, etc.
 

[Charlie744]

4 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

 

Job 1:6,7 - indicates earth is his primary residence.  Satan, Where have you come from?  Wandering back and forth across the earth.

Pentecost is the onset of the Church Age.  The indwelling of the H.S.  A mystery hidden in times past, which is the Gospel... Rom 16:25,26....  Satan knew about Israel, but had no knowledge of the Church (Johns/our brethren - Rev 12:13,14) until Pentecost.  Hidden..Mystery 

Rev 12:10-12 - For the accuser of our/Johns brothers/brethren, accuses them before our God day and night, has been hurled down.  Woe to the earth and the sea, because the Devil has gone down to you... and he knows his time is short. (Maybe 3 1/2 years, see Rev 12:13,14)   He was down on earth, then he is up in heaven accusing the brethren, then he is hurled back down to the earth.

Christ defends us before the Father when Satan accuses us before the Father.  The Father sees the Brethren, those in Christ Jesus, through his Son, who is perfect, and thus we are accounted as righteous with no flaws (because we were Purchased out of the Market Place of Sin) as Satan is now trying to accuse us of these flaws.

In Christ

Montana Marv

Marv, why do you say he accuses both on earth and in heaven? Yes, he accuses mankind both day and night before our God, but he does this while on earth where he has been relegated. Satan not have to be in heaven to accuse us in front of God. Our God sees all and sees the evil that satan does while on earth. He has indeed been hurled down and, from what I read in Genesis, and I do not see any verse in the Scriptures that contradict this, is that he is no longer permitted in heaven - sin can not be in the presence of God and he is not going to give satan a temporaty pass just so he can accuse us to God on a face to face basis. 

I believe from what I am reading about this topic and through the responses here is that satan will be cast out or downd on two occasions - once from access in heaven because he has sinned, and the second time will be at the end of time when he will be cast out or down into the fiery furnace. His time on earth is short... there is no time in heaven and he has been removed from God's presence.

[Stewardofthemystery]

10 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

I thought he was eating the dust of the earth… 

What does the “dust” of the earth represent? The first thing you need to understand is that God spoke by the prophets using “similitudes”.

Hosea 12:10

I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

 

God uses things in the natural world, and in nature to “liken” them to spiritual things and to reveal these spiritual truths by the Holy Spirit.  
 

For instance Satan is described by many “similitudes” or is “likened” to be “like” a serpent.  Satan is not physically a snake, but God uses the “natural”characteristics of a serpent to describe the “spiritual”characteristics of Satan.

 

So what does the “dust” of the earth represent that Satan is eating?  Man, who is flesh was created from the “dust” of the “earth”.  The name for man is Adam, and Adam means “earthy, red”

So in spiritual terms, Satan is eating mankind who is flesh, and who is “earthly”made from the “dust” of the earth.

Notice…

1 Peter 5:8

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary “the devil,”as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

 

So the Devil/Satan/ the old Serpent is not physically eating men, but he is “spiritually”devouring men who were created from “dust”.

10 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

do you really believe sin in the form of satan can be accepted into heaven again?

 

Not no more, per the words of God.

Revelation 12:8

And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

[Charlie744]

31 minutes ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

What does the “dust” of the earth represent? The first thing you need to understand is that God spoke by the prophets using “similitudes”.

Hosea 12:10

I have also spoken by the prophets, and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

 

God uses things in the natural world, and in nature to “liken” them to spiritual things and to reveal these spiritual truths by the Holy Spirit.  
 

For instance Satan is described by many “similitudes” or is “likened” to be “like” a serpent.  Satan is not physically a snake, but God uses the “natural”characteristics of a serpent to describe the “spiritual”characteristics of Satan.

 

So what does the “dust” of the earth represent that Satan is eating?  Man, who is flesh was created from the “dust” of the “earth”.  The name for man is Adam, and Adam means “earthy, red”

So in spiritual terms, Satan is eating mankind who is flesh, and who is “earthly”made from the “dust” of the earth.

Notice…

1 Peter 5:8

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary “the devil,”as a roaring lion, walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

 

So the Devil/Satan/ the old Serpent is not physically eating men, but he is “spiritually”devouring men who were created from “dust”.

Not no more, per the words of God.

Revelation 12:8

And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.

Thanks for your thoughts.

A couple of things that came up from your response,

1) It was God speaking, not His prophets in the Garden,

2) I interpret God using the word dust or dirt to ensure we understand that satan has been relegated to the earth.. no dirt or dust in heaven. Also, he is not only thrown down to the earth, but to the floor of the earth…he is even made lower than the beasts of the world.
I don’t see why his to be interpreted as satan spiritually eating man. 
 

3) This might also tell us we do not have to go all the way to Revelation to find a verse than identifies when satan was thrown down. It is right in Genesis- in my opinion, where he has to be kicked out of heaven no different than Adam out of the Garden. 
 

Both holy places where God is cannot be in the presence of sin. 

4) If this is true, then there can not be a verse found later in the Scriptures that would contradict this.  It MAY BE interpreted as being contradictory, but we would have to adjust how we interpret it, not how we want to interpret it.

 

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

27 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

Thanks for your thoughts.

A couple of things that came up from your response,

1) It was God speaking, not His prophets in the Garden,

God spoke BY the prophets, how do you think the Genesis story got put on paper?

Hosea 12:10

I have also “spoken by the prophets,” and I have multiplied visions, and used similitudes, by the ministry of the prophets.

27 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

2) I interpret God using the word dust or dirt to ensure we understand that satan has been relegated to the earth.. no dirt or dust in heaven. Also, he is not only thrown down to the earth, but to the floor of the earth…he is even made lower than the beasts of the world.
I don’t see why his to be interpreted as satan spiritually eating man. 
 

So you think Satan is a literal physical serpent who is literally eating physical dust? 😊

That is why it is written, the “natural” man only knows what he knows “naturally” and in those things he “corrupts himself.”

27 minutes ago, Charlie744 said:

3) This might also tell us we do not have to go all the way to Revelation to find a verse than identifies when satan was thrown down. It is right in Genesis- in my opinion, where he has to be kicked out of heaven no different than Adam out of the Garden. 
 

Both holy places where God is cannot be in the presence of sin. 

4) If this is true, then there can not be a verse found later in the Scriptures that would contradict this.  It MAY BE interpreted as being contradictory, but we would have to adjust how we interpret it, not how we want to interpret it.

 

 

So let’s dismiss all the other scriptures and the words of Jesus because Charlie has an a opinion?

No thanks Charlie, I’ll stick to what is actually written in God’s word, and what Jesus said to be true about when Satan was cast out of heaven down to the earth.  

[Montana Marv]

8 hours ago, Charlie744 said:

Marv, why do you say he accuses both on earth and in heaven?

I didn't say that.  He accuses John's Brethren, which are Believers in Christ here on earth in the Heavenly realm.  What is the time frame.  God does not come down to him, he must go up to God. And this since the beginning of the Church Age or Pentecost.  This is ongoing in Heaven;  Satan accuses, Christ rejects his accusation.  Ongoing day and night in Heaven since Pentecost.

Satan had to appear in Heaven for permission to attack Job.  And in doing so most all of Jobs family was killed.  He resided on earth at this time.

Now since Satan accuses Believers in Christ day and night, he will later be hurled down to earth in the near future.  Woe to the earth and the sea.  Then in Rev 12 we see the Dragon/Satan pursuing the woman (Israel) for 42 Months. His time is short.  He no longer has access to Heaven, he is bound to the earth again. 

In Christ

Montana Marv

[Montana Marv]

Just a thought.  In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.  On the 6th day God created man and gave man dominion on the earth.  No mention of when God created the Angels.  There is no mention of how long Adam resided in the Garden before the fall. I see a conflict here, God is spending more time with Adam than the Angels, and thus this is what was the cause of Lucifer's wickedness.

Ezk 28:11-19 ---  You/Lucifer/Satan were in the Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you.... Your setting and mountings were made of gold, on the day that you were created they were prepared.....  Here we see that the creation of the Angels was near to the creation of Man/Adam.  The Garden of Eden was made for Adam to manage.  Yet we also see Lucifer here.  Adam a physical Being; Lucifer a Spiritual Being.  Both of who's home is the earth.  So Lucifer was not cast down, he resided here before the fall.  Lucifer had do take on a physical body (snake) to approach Eve.

The difficult question is; Who was created first.  Adam or the Angels.

In Christ

Montana Marv

[1to3]

Yes satan is the accuser of the brethren, but He can no longer live in heaven.

Satan can still tavel in the air=prince of the air,Ephesians 2:2

Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:

 

2nd heaven, but satan cannot go freely into the presence of where God resides.

Heaven were God resides is Holy, satan if he came in the presence of God would be totally burn up by Gods  light.

The bible mentions in 1 John ch 1 that NO darkness can live in Gods Light.

That is why we need the Blood covering of Christ Jesus to make us acceptable to be able to live in Gods light once in heaven.

There is a great divide a point you cannot enter in heaven where God resides without the Blood covering of Christ Jesus. because it is HOLY.

Remember the story of the leper and the rich man? Luke ch 16:19-25

²⁵ “But Abraham replied, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things, while Lazarus received bad things, but now he is comforted here and you are in agony. ²⁶ And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been set in place, so that those who want to go from here to you cannot, nor can anyone cross over from there to us.’