When was Satan cast out of heaven down to the earth?

[1to3]

15 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

  No mention of when God created the Angels.

Yes God created the angels on DAY 4 of creation when he made the stars on day gen ch1 14

Stars are referred to angels in the bible

[Stewardofthemystery]

17 minutes ago, Montana Marv said:

The difficult question is; Who was created first.  Adam or the Angels.

In Christ

Montana Marv

According to the words of God, it would be the angels, they watched as God created the earth.

Job 38:3-7

King James Version

3 Gird up now thy loins like a man; for I will demand of thee, and answer thou me.

4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7 When the morning stars sang together, and “all the sons of God shouted for joy?”

[RdJ]

Revelation 12: in the end after 3,5 years and before the last 3,5 years.

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

26 minutes ago, RdJ said:

Revelation 12: in the end after 3,5 years and before the last 3,5 years.

 

No such thing as a 7 year tribulation, it is the doctrines of men.😮

[1to3]

1 hour ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

7 When the morning stars sang together, and “all the sons of God shouted for joy?”

Yes the angels were able to sing after they were created to watch the rest of Gods creation be created.

The angels were created on day 4 of Gods 6 creation days.

Genesis ch1 v14

¹⁴ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

¹⁵ And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

¹⁶ And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

¹⁷ And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

[Stewardofthemystery]

38 minutes ago, 1to3 said:

The angels were created on day 4 of Gods 6 creation days.

Genesis ch1 v14

¹⁴ And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

¹⁵ And let them be for lights in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth: and it was so.

¹⁶ And God made two great lights; the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night: he made the stars also.

¹⁷ And God set them in the firmament of the heaven to give light upon the earth,

I disagree, because the Lord said they were there when He laid “the foundation of the earth”

Where wast thou when I laid “the foundations of the earth?”declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon are “the foundations” thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7 When the morning stars sang together, and “all the sons of God shouted for joy?”

In the Genesis account “the foundation of the earth”was already laid “before”the 4th day.

Genesis 1

King James Version

1 In the beginning God created “the heaven and the earth.”

2 And “the earth”was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

 

 

 

 

[Stewardofthemystery]

20 minutes ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

I disagree, because the Lord said they were there when He laid “the foundation of the earth”

 

Where wast thou when I laid “the foundations of the earth?”declare, if thou hast understanding.

5 Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it?

6 Whereupon are “the foundations” thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof;

7 When the morning stars sang together, and “all the sons of God shouted for joy?”

In the Genesis account “the foundation of the earth”was already laid “before”the 4th day.

Genesis 1

King James Version

1 In the beginning God created “the heaven and the earth.”

2 And “the earth”was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

 

 

 

 

Think about it this way.  If you were going to build a house, the first thing that would be laid would be “the foundation.” And the first stone to be laid to start the foundation would be the “corner stone”.

So even before the earth was created the “corner stone of the foundation”was the first thing to be laid.  The sons of God beheld the laying of the “corner stone” of the foundation.

Job 38:6

Whereupon are “the foundations”thereof fastened? or who laid the “corner stone”thereof

[DeighAnn]

2 hours ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

No such thing as a 7 year tribulation, it is the doctrines of men.😮

 

The Beast Out of the Sea

1And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy. 2And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority. 3And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast. 4And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him? 5And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months. 6And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.

11And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he had two horns like a lamb, and he spake as a dragon. 12And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him, and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. 13And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, 14And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. 


None of that is of man...how long is 42 months?



16And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads: 17And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name. 18Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

Nor that



12And the ten horns which thou sawest are ten kings, which have received no kingdom as yet; but receive power as kings one hour with the beast. 13These have one mind, and shall give their power and strength unto the beast.




24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

And it was from the going out of Babylon until THE PRINCE/THE MESSIAH was born



26And after

(not during, not before, but AFTER that time of HIS ARRIVAL after that time but NOT GIVEN AS THE 70TH WEEK, which if it was would have been written as such)


threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself:

(Christ crucified)

and the people

(who happened to be the Romans at that time but the main point is they were
non believers in the one true GOD making them)

of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary;

(and they did)

and the end thereof
(of the 70 weeks, so the final week)



shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

(STILL speaking of 'the prince that shall come")

27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease,

(the image set up that must be worshipped so no longer will the GOD IN HEAVEN be being worshipped hence the sacrifice and oblation cease)



and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation,


(and the THE LORD OF LORDS AND KING OF KINGS is going to return and the BOWLS OF JUDGMENT will be poured out)

and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


So THAT PRINCE wasn't there yet and the bowls hadn't been poured out.  


Why WAS the 70 weeks reduced to 'an hour'?  The time was shortened or else NO FLESH would be saved...

 

Edited June 14, 2024 by DeighAnn

[DeighAnn]

41 minutes ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

7 When the morning stars sang together, and “all the sons of God shouted for joy?”

Since they were watching the earth being created they could not have been created from the dust of the earth so they were not flesh and blood yet but they had bodies...Spiritual bodies that looked exactly like we do since we read


26And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.



Ever consider the deeper meaning of 

Jacob's Ladder
10And Jacob went out from Beersheba, and went toward Haran. 11And he lighted upon a certain place, and tarried there all night, because the sun was set; and he took of the stones of that place, and put them for his pillows, and lay down in that place to sleep. 12And he dreamed, and behold a ladder set up on the earth, and the top of it reached to heaven: and behold the angels of God ascending and descending on it. 13And, behold, the LORD stood above it, and said, I am the LORD God of Abraham thy father, and the God of Isaac: the land whereon thou liest, to thee will I give it, and to thy seed; 14And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. 15And, behold, I am with thee, and will keep thee in all places whither thou goest, and will bring thee again into this land; for I will not leave thee, until I have done that which I have spoken to thee of. 16And Jacob awaked out of his sleep, and he said, Surely the LORD is in this place; and I knew it not. 17And he was afraid, and said, How dreadful is this place! this is none other but the house of God, and this is the gate of heaven.


Now when you put that with 

24And Jesus answering said unto them, Do ye not therefore err, because ye know not the scriptures, neither the power of God? 25For when they shall rise from the dead, they neither marry, nor are given in marriage; but are as the angels which are in heaven. 26And as touching the dead, that they rise: have ye not read in the book of Moses, how in the bush God spake unto him, saying, I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? 27He is not the God of the dead, but the God of the living: ye therefore do greatly err.


Just trying to get to the 'age' before this one in which the anointed cherub that covereth, made the full pattern, full of wisdom who ruled over many kingdoms in heaven SINNED, fell from GRACE and became the great dragon, Satan, the devil aka that old serpent found in the Garden of Eden that deceived Adam and Eve because once we can get there, then all the confusion seen in this thread simply goes away...maybe not simply.



 

[Dennis1209]

On 6/12/2024 at 4:34 PM, Vine Abider said:

Not sure what that means . . . LOL!

So pursuant to the conversation about when Satan was cast down from heaven, has it been addressed yet in this thread that Paul refers to this in Ephesians 6:12 when he mentions, "principalities and powers in heavenly places"?  So we know the devil is still there in Paul's day. 

Here is a thought for consideration:

1 John 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Advocate—(Gr. parakletos), one who pleads another’s cause, who helps another by defending or comforting him. It is a name given by Christ three times to the Holy Ghost (John 14:16; 15:26; 16:7, where the Greek word is rendered “Comforter,” q.v.). It is applied to Christ in 1 John 2:1, where the same Greek word is rendered “Advocate,” the rendering which it should have in all the places where it occurs. Tertullus “the orator” (Acts 24:1) was a Roman advocate whom the Jews employed to accuse Paul before Felix.

Our Lord is a legalist, thus the Ten Commandments, seven seal scroll, and other examples. An advocate would be akin to a defense attorney when accused of a crime, in this case, sin. Is our Father in Heaven accusing us of our sins? No. Therefore, it must be someone else accusing us; why do we need an advocate between the accuser and us? Did anyone with faith have an advocate before the Father before Christ finished His work on the cross?

In my opinion, there was war in Heaven, Satan and his one third of followers, are not cast out of Heaven permanently until mid-tribulation, then Satan knows his time is short. Satan continues his accusations until Rev. 12:10, mid-tribulation.

John 5:45 Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.