I can do whatever and there is No Condemnation in Christ!

[Vine Abider]

5 minutes ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

Somebody has drunk the Kool aid of the hyper grace doctrine.🫤

If you are living in sin you are NOT in Christ.

1 John 3:9

Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

 

We've had this discussion before and it's circular & fruitless.  I know what you are saying - let's leave at that, OK bro?

[Stewardofthemystery]

6 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

We've had this discussion before and it's circular & fruitless.  I know what you are saying - let's leave at that, OK bro?

We have, and you still have not repented of it despite the warning.  I have fought against that false doctrine for many years.

It is a “sin all you want and still be saved” false doctrine.  It is very popular with “sinners,” as you can imagine.  But it is of the Devil.

Jesus came to make us free from the bondage of sin, NOT to give us a license to sin.  BEWARE of this FALSE doctrine.

[Dennis1209]

Those are good points, and as you are aware, Paul goes into great detail about sin and Grace in Romans chapter six.

2 Corinthians 12:9 And he said unto me, My grace is sufficient for thee: for my strength is made perfect in weakness. Most gladly therefore will I rather glory in my infirmities, that the power of Christ may rest upon me.

In the 17 Greek lexicons I consulted, all agree that the English translation of infirmities (asthéneia) includes “weakness.” We are left to speculate what this weakness was. Was it a particular sin, Satan’s buffeting, or a physical ailment and weakness? The only thing we know is that it was severe and concerning enough for Paul to pray three times for its removal.

Whatever it was, it was covered under Grace, unmerited favor toward those in Christ.

Romans 6:1-2 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? ² God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

What a blessing and privilege it is to be born and live in the age of Grace. To have a Man, an advocate and mediator on our behalf before the throne of God.

Good informative thread and Bible study Vine.  

[Vine Abider]

1 hour ago, Stewardofthemystery said:

We have, and you still have not repented of it despite the warning.  I have fought against that false doctrine for many years.

It is a “sin all you want and still be saved” false doctrine.  It is very popular with “sinners,” as you can imagine.  But it is of the Devil.

Jesus came to make us free from the bondage of sin, NOT to give us a license to sin.  BEWARE of this FALSE doctrine.

To me this is a straw man argument in several aspects (as I've stated before). And to my knowledge you have not explained how a born again child of God gets Unborn. So here we are again - on the verge of what is likely to be more circular and fruitless wrangling.

[Stewardofthemystery]

52 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

And to my knowledge you have not explained how a born again child of God gets Unborn. So here we are again - on the verge of what is likely to be more circular and fruitless wrangling.

First you should ask “How do you KNOW FOR SURE someone IS truly born again of God”

Answer….

1 John 3:9

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.”

 

If they never stopped sinning then they were never born of God to begin with. 
 

You WILL KNOW a tree by its fruit.

[Stewardofthemystery]

Here is what it looks like to be born of God and to be in Christ, and to be in “the Light”…

1 John 3:9

“Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.”
 

Here is what it looks like to be of the Devil and to be in “darkness”…

 

1 John 3:8

He that committeth sin is of the devil…

 

This divide is as clear as night verses day, as darkness is the opposite of Light.

 

But the false doctrines of men are trying to blur the line between the Light and the darkness and make for themselves a gray area.

 

 

 

 

[Marilyn C]

6 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

I've been closely considering this over the last day . . . so is this true, what it says in Romans 8:1, that there is zero condemnation to those in Christ? * Absolutely!  My penalty for sin is 100% paid by the incredible sacrificial death of Christ!  Now I have complete freedom from receiving even the tiniest condemnation for any sin I commit.  Because of His exceedingly-over-the-top substitutionary death for my sin, I'm totally free to choose without any fear of retribution for sin from God!

Therefore if God doesn't condemn me, who can? (see Rom 8:31-39) Should I condemn myself if God doesn't?  No, this is His total love and grace to me and I must agree with His assessment!  As the pop song says, "I'm free to do what I want, any old time" and God looks at me as righteous in Christ. This is hard for the old legalistic man to swallow, but there it is . . .

And Paul says this too: "All thing are lawful (lit. permitted - it is a right) for me!" (1 Cor 10:23) Wow! 

However, does that mean there are no consequences for sinning and doing whatever I want?  No, there are consequences.  As Paul goes on to say in that above verse, "But not all things are profitable."

What!? I can do whatever I want, but there might not be profit for what I do?!  Yes, that is the case.

So, there's no condemnation for sin and Father always loves us unconditionally (as His children), but what if we are not following Him and living by Christ?  Here are what I see as answers to that question:

1. We will not be profitable in this life

2. His indwelling Spirit will convict & discipline us (as children)

3. His love will (hopefully) constrain us

4. Any sin may have seen or unseen consequences upon us and/or others, and our relationship with God (from our side)

5. Christians will be held accountable for our our works (not condemned for sin) at the Bema judgment - rewards or loss

Therefore while we do have total and complete freedom to choose to do whatever we want, and we cannot get away from God's love and grace, there may be serious consequences still.  As I brother I know said, "Don't play around with sin and think there are no consequences!"

"For you have been bought for a price: therefore glorify God in your body."

1 Cor 6:20
 

* what follows in that verse (Romans 8:1) in a few translations, "to those who walk not according to the flesh, but according to the spirit" is not in original texts.

Yes, we are not condemned however the Holy Spirit will convict us. Then if someone willfully continues to sin and rejects the Holy Spirit`s conviction then their conscience will become hardened and they will `fall away.` 

`It is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of God and the powers of the age to come, if they fall away, to renew them again to repentance, since they crucify again for themselves the Son of God, and put Him to open shame. ` (Heb. 6: 4 - 6)

[Marilyn C]

2 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

To me this is a straw man argument in several aspects (as I've stated before). And to my knowledge you have not explained how a born again child of God gets Unborn. So here we are again - on the verge of what is likely to be more circular and fruitless wrangling.

It`s not that people become `unborn,` for we are `in the process of being saved.` We live in time and we have our will to obey the Holy Spirit or not. If we do not repent after we have been convicted be the Holy Spirit, over time our conscience becomes hardened. Thus, we `fall way.` (Heb. 6: 4 - 6) 

Who can keep us in Christ? the Holy Spirit. And if we continually reject His conviction then we willfully become darkened again in our conscience and life. The Holy Spirit is rejected and thus we have no hope of receiving eternal life. 

[Sower]

10 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

My penalty for sin is 100% paid by the incredible sacrificial death of Christ! 

Dream on.
If you are a born again believer, an adopted child of God the father, you will be chastised and pruned and punished. Because he loves you too much to let you believe you can get away with it. If you are getting away with continual sin without any punishment/chastisement, I would check your ticket. God chastises those whom he loves!! (Those who will never be condemned to eternal punishment, yes)

[Truswell]

8 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

So if we are in Christ, but walking in the flesh, there is condemnation from God?

If Christ dwells in our heart and mind, Satan flees away, and the things of earth will grow strangely dim.