I can do whatever and there is No Condemnation in Christ!

[Your closest friendnt]

10 hours ago, Cntrysner said:

The biblical definition of sin is transgression of God’s law or His word. The law was given to reveal sin not to make one righteous by obedience to it. It’s origin is in the flesh of man passed to us from Adam. We are born sinners because sin is in the flesh and cannot be separated from the flesh thus we must be born again of the Spirit and the flesh must return the dust from which it came (Gen 3:19). God requires perfect righteousness (Mat 5:48) untainted with sin and the only perfect righteousness is God’s righteousness ( 2 Co 5:21), the righteousness of man is not acceptable because it is tainted with sin in the flesh. Sin and flesh are biblically synonymous and the only sinless flesh was the body of Christ therefore we must become a member of His body to be acceptable to God. 

Rom 8:3  For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:    

Rom 7:18  For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not. 

Pain and suffering reveal the fall of man as the law reveals sin and both bring us to God when we understand we can do nothing about our destiny. 

We are sanctified or purified by the Spirit when we receive the blood of Christ (1 Pe 1:2) and it’s end result is glorification when we are change into His express image (2 Co 3:18) which is Spirit (2 Co 3:17). Right now we have the earnest of the Spirit (2 Co 1:22, 5:5) which is a down payment or a guarantee for what God has promised. It is as Paul said in 2Co 5:8...  We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord.  
 

Romans 8:1 says that there is no condemnation for those who are in Jesus Christ.  

There are two questions to consider. The first one is what is condemnation in this context and the second one is, what does "those who are in Jesus Christ" means in this context. 

[enoob57]

It should be said the flesh ends

[Vine Abider]

2 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Romans 8:1 says that there is no condemnation for those who are in Jesus Christ.  

There are two questions to consider. The first one is what is condemnation in this context and the second one is, what does "those who are in Jesus Christ" means in this context. 

Answers:

1. Condemnation from God (which is the only One that counts)

2. Those who have Christ in them

(and it's no more complex than that!)

[Vine Abider]

1 minute ago, Vine Abider said:

Answers:

1. Condemnation from God (which is the only One that counts)

2. Those who have Christ in them

(and it's no more complex than that!)

To extrapolate #2 a little further (#1 needs nothing else said).  It is of God that we are in Christ Jesus and what God has joined together, let no man pull apart. (see 1 Cor 1:30 & Matt 9:16) Also this,  "Now He who establishes us with you in Christ and anointed us is God, who also has sealed us and given us the Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee." (2 Cor1:22-23)

So we know that our placing in Christ was of God, and not of us. (although at some point we did accept His placement)

And when this placement by God occurred, we were reborn with His life and the Triune God came into us - if we look further on in Romans chapter 8, verse 9-11, we see this is abundantly clear:

 "You, however, are not in the realm of the flesh but are in the realm of the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God lives in you. And if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, they do not belong to Christ. But if Christ is in you, then even though your body is subject to death because of sin, the Spirit gives life because of righteousness. And if the Spirit of Him who raised Jesus from the dead is living in you, He who raised Christ from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies because of His Spirit who lives in you."

So we are in Christ and He is in us, according to dozens of passages in the NT - therefore our sealing and guarantee (from God) is, in  a sense, double sure!  HALLELUJAH!!! 

 

[Your closest friendnt]

@Vine Abider

I am thinking about your post. There some parts that they need further explanation. 

[Vine Abider]

54 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

@Vine Abider

I am thinking about your post. There some parts that they need further explanation. 

Sure - let me know which parts!

[Your closest friendnt]

6 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

Sure - let me know which parts!

Your post is missing the correct quidance. We are supposed to prepare our selfs for the coming of  Jesus Christ in our hearts.

It's not by default because we are believers. We do not have the right to tell him what to do. This is what he said to his disciples who were examples of a very strick upbringing. He told them that if you love me keep my commandments and then I and the Heavenly Father will make our abode in you. This is that happened in his own discretion, at his own timing. 

And another one it is that the Holy Spirit takes from Jesus to us ONLY.

The Holy Spirit knows the will of Jesus Christ. 

The Heavenly Father has given us Jesus Christ to be our Savior. He saved us because he gave his only Son Jesus Christ to die for us.

He was not the one who died for the forgiveness of our sins.  

We have the example in Revelation chapter 3: when Jesus said to the believers to one of the churches that He is knocking on the door of their hearts and they do not let him in.

Those were solid believers and not from the group of the defiant ones. 

Edited July 28, 2024 by Your closest friendnt

[Vine Abider]

On 7/26/2024 at 3:58 PM, Your closest friendnt said:

Romans 8:1 says that there is no condemnation for those who are in Jesus Christ.  

There are two questions to consider. The first one is what is condemnation in this context and the second one is, what does "those who are in Jesus Christ" means in this context. 

 

On 7/26/2024 at 6:26 PM, Vine Abider said:

Answers:

1. Condemnation from God (which is the only One that counts)

2. Those who have Christ in them

(and it's no more complex than that!)

 

10 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Your post is missing the correct quidance. We are supposed to prepare our selfs for the coming of  Jesus Christ in our hearts.

It's not by default because we are believers. We do not have the right to tell him what to do. This is what he said to his disciples who were examples of a very strick upbringing. He told them that if you love me keep my commandments and then I and the Heavenly Father will make our abode in you. This is that happened in his own discretion, at his own timing. 

And another one it is that the Holy Spirit takes from Jesus to us ONLY.

The Holy Spirit knows the will of Jesus Christ. 

The Heavenly Father has given us Jesus Christ to be our Savior. He saved us because he gave his only Son Jesus Christ to die for us.

He was not the one who died for the forgiveness of our sins.  

We have the example in Revelation chapter 3: when Jesus said to the believers to one of the churches that He is knocking on the door of their hearts and they do not let him in.

Those were solid believers and not from the group of the defiant ones. 

I answered your post where you said "there are two questions to consider." I then elaborated on how we got "in Christ" a little.  So not clear what you mean my "post is missing the correct guidance. We are supposed to prepare ourselves for the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ . . ."  While I certainly don't disagree that we should prepare ourselves for His coming, I don't know what this has to do with being "in Christ."

Yes, we are to walk in Christ, after being placed in Him - so is this what you're referring to?  (if so, that's another topic I think)

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Vine Abider said:

 

 

I answered your post where you said "there are two questions to consider." I then elaborated on how we got "in Christ" a little.  So not clear what you mean my "post is missing the correct guidance. We are supposed to prepare ourselves for the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ . . ."  While I certainly don't disagree that we should prepare ourselves for His coming, I don't know what this has to do with being "in Christ."

Yes, we are to walk in Christ, after being placed in Him - so is this what you're referring to?  (if so, that's another topic I think)

Christ is not living in us just for the reason we are place in Christ. 

When we believed is this what place in Christ is it in your post. 

That moment we received the Spirit of adoption. We are in the Redemption of Jesus Christ. 

Our position is in Jesus Christ as adopted children. But not our position as the children living or desiring to live in obedience to him. 

But as the children desiring to make them selves vessels where Jesus will desired to make our above in us. This is what I meant when I said to prepare our selves for the Lord's coming in our hearts while we yet live. The Holy Spirit is available to us while we yet live. No after we die. 

You gave me my words another meaning by living out the key words "his coming in our hearts". To prepare our selves to be worthy for Jesus to come in our hearts and that is his doing. 

"The Triune God lives in us when we believe" is not from the teachings of the disciples and cannot be found in the scriptures. 

Edited July 28, 2024 by Your closest friendnt

[Desopixi Seilynam]

There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus,
who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Romans 8:1

That the righteous requirement of the law
might be fulfilled in us,
who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
Romans 8:4

Because as many as are led by the Spirit of God,
they are the children of God.
Romans 8:14

And they that belong to Christ
have crucified the flesh with its passions and its lusts.
Galatians 5:24