I can do whatever and there is No Condemnation in Christ!

[Truswell]

9 minutes ago, Truswell said:

 

He was not ALWAYS safe.

[Your closest friendnt]

36 minutes ago, Truswell said:

Exactly. 

That does not mean that the biological parents can't loose their parenting rights to their children.  Because their children can be taken from them and they can also be taken from the new parents. 

But Jesus said as long as the believers are in his hands no one can take them from me.

I will never let go of one of these little children who believe in me.

If for some reason they have renounced their faith in me then they are not my believers any more. But they are not dead just yet and no one can forbid me to try to get them to believe in me. 

I have the right to make unbelievers believe in me, an example is Paul and the devil has also the right to try and make believers renounce their faith and their status change to unbelievers. But the right of the unbelievers still is to them before they die to believe again. No one can take that right from them. 

[Vine Abider]

40 minutes ago, Truswell said:

Exactly. And it may not do them any good.

Right - they are still children of their parents, and nothing changes that.

12 minutes ago, Truswell said:

And are often disinherited.

Correct!  And that's the point . . . while their status as biological children never changes, they may misbehave and loose their inheritance. 

[Truswell]

3 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

That does not mean that the biological parents can't loose their parenting rights to their children.  Because their children can be taken from them and they can also be taken from the new parents. 

But Jesus said as long as the believers are in his hands no one can take them from me.

I will never let go of one of these little children who believe in me.

If for some reason they have renounced their faith in me then they are not my believers any more. But they are not dead just yet and no one can forbid me to try to get them to believe in me. 

I have the right to make unbelievers believe in me, an example is Paul and the devil has also the right to try and make believers renounce their faith and their status change to unbelievers. But the right of the unbelievers still is to them before they die to believe again. No one can take that right from them. 

Our heavenly Father may well turn round and say to his children, "I never knew you."

[Truswell]

9 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

Right - they are still children of their parents, and nothing changes that.

Correct!  And that's the point . . . while their status as biological children never changes, they may misbehave and loose their inheritance. 

And because they misbehave, they may lose their inheritance. That is the error of OSAS.

[Your closest friendnt]

14 minutes ago, Truswell said:

Our heavenly Father may well turn round and say to his children, "I never knew you."

This is no possible. That can never happen. Because the Heavenly Father has given all the Judgement to his Son Jesus Christ and he does not judge anyone. And the only one he has ever judge was Jesus Christ at the time just before his resurrection and he found him obedient in every thing he had asked him to do and He raised him from the dead. 

And Jesus Christ said that I can't judge none of the children of the Heavenly Father because they are his children because they have obeyed him and have believed in me. And that's the only command the Heavenly Father has given to all the people of the world. 

 

Edited July 15, 2024 by Your closest friendnt

[Your closest friendnt]

16 minutes ago, Truswell said:

Our heavenly Father may well turn round and say to his children, "I never knew you."

This is not in scripture. It never was and it will never be and you cannot refute that. And it never has happened and it will never will happen. 

 

Edited July 15, 2024 by Your closest friendnt

[Cntrysner]

7 hours ago, Truswell said:

We all die of the flesh, but the saved are born of the Spirit, and to be born a second time of the Spirit means Jesus would have to be crucified again. See Hebrews chapter 6 verse 6.

Concerning those who were once enlightened and tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Spirit, and tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the age to come, and then fell away, it is impossible to renew them again to repentance; seeing they crucify the Son of God for themselves again, and put him to open shame.

(Heb 6:4-6 WEB)

You did not address what I posted concerning these scriptures.....

Joh 3:3  Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. 
Joh 3:4  Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? 
Joh 3:5  Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. 
Joh 3:6  That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. 
Joh 3:7  Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. 
Joh 3:8  The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit. 
Joh 3:9  Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be? 
Joh 3:10  Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things? 
Joh 3:11  Verily, verily, I say unto thee, We speak that we do know, and testify that we have seen; and ye receive not our witness. 
Joh 3:12  If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things? 

What did you do @Truswell to be born again? What was your experience and the process of it, If you believe one can lose salvation by actions of their free will then you must believe one gains salvation by their actions of free will.

Please, address John 3:5 and given me the truth of it's meaning to you.

 

[other one]

16 minutes ago, Truswell said:

Our heavenly Father may well turn round and say to his children, "I never knew you."

 

3 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

This is not in scripture. It never was and it will never be and you cannot refute that. 

I agree, if he never knew them, they were never his children.

[Truswell]

3 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

This is no possible. That can never happen. Because the Heavenly Father has given all the Judgement to his Son Jesus Christ and he does not judge anyone. And the only one he has ever judge was Jesus Christ at the time just before his resurrection and he found him obedient in every thing he had asked him to do.

And Jesus Christ said that I can't judge none of the children of the Heavenly Father because they are his children because they have obeyed him and have believed in him. And that's the only command the Heavenly Father has given to all the people of the world. 

 

We shall all stand before the judgement seat.