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[WilliamL]

On 11/4/2024 at 2:22 PM, Spiros said:

The day Jesus Christ was born, September 12 3 BC,

 

On 11/4/2024 at 3:28 PM, other one said:

I believe the date was September 11, 3 BC.

King Herod died in 4 BC.

[other one]

3 hours ago, WilliamL said:

 

King Herod died in 4 BC.

Not really. That was based on an eclipse, but it was not the only one in the timeframe.

[Spiros]

On 11/4/2024 at 5:28 PM, other one said:

I have run my stellairum program for months and I never got it so show that in 3 bc though for other reasons I believe the date was September 11, 3 BC.

Here is the picture. The date is September 12, 3 BC.  There was no garland of twelve stars on her head.

 

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She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron.

This also does not agree. If we see the position where a celestial body would be symbolically born, then this would be the Sun, not any other planet. It could have said: "She bore a male Child who would be the light of the world." or something in that sense.

 

https://i.postimg.cc/x88LZDyx/Birth-3-BC.jpg

 

Here though we can possibly say that the male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron is at the heart of the woman.

 

If we consider a round period of 2100 years(see 2100 AD) then this period corresponds to  767,009 days. The Moon mentioned in the text moves fast in the sky and we therefore must take into account time period of days. I took a look at the sky during the time period between 3 BC and 2100 AD. I was thus looking for events:

 

1) a woman clothed with the sun

2) the moon under her feet

3) on the head of the woman a garland of twelve stars

4) She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron

 

This seems to define four positions: The Sun between stars η Virgo and κ Virgo(clothes of the woman). Day: The first Moon at Libra(below the woman). The planet that relates to the garland with the 12 stars is between the stars ω Virgo and ν Virgo (top of the head of the woman). The planet that relates to the male figure that rules with a rod of iron is between stars ζ Virgo and δ Virgo(womb of the woman).

 

From these 767,009 days there are only five (5) matches. The probability, therefore, of this astronomical phenomena showing up randomly is  0.00065%.

If we look at these 5 dates we will notice that there is one that makes the most sense. In this case the man child(planet) is the brightest of the five cases.

 

 

Edited November 10, 2024 by Spiros

[WilliamL]

On 11/7/2024 at 5:06 PM, other one said:

On 11/7/2024 at 1:14 PM, WilliamL said:

King Herod died in 4 BC.

Not really. That was based on an eclipse, but it was not the only one in the timeframe.

Based on much more than an eclipse. Josephus double-dates this with respect to Roman history, and he had very good records for Herod's reign, much better than the period before or after.

And for the record, Jesus was born on Sept. 25, 7 BC, two years and change before Herod died, fitting Matthew 2:16's "two years old and under" passage.

[other one]

57 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Based on much more than an eclipse. Josephus double-dates this with respect to Roman history, and he had very good records for Herod's reign, much better than the period before or after.

And for the record, Jesus was born on Sept. 25, 7 BC, two years and change before Herod died, fitting Matthew 2:16's "two years old and under" passage.

And I've read just as many places where he died in 1 BC

Steinmann, Andrew "When Did Herod the Great Reign?", Novum Testamentum, Volume 51, Number 1, 2009, pp. 1–29; Young, Rodger C. and Andrew E. Steinmann, “Caligula’s Statue for the Jerusalem Temple and Its Relation to the Chronology of Herod the Great,” Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society 62 (2019): 759–774; Steinmann, Andrew E. and Rodger C. Young, “Elapsed Times for Herod the Great in Josephus,” Bibliotheca Sacra 177 (2020): 308–328; Steinmann, Andrew E. and Rodger C. Young, “Consular Years and Sabbatical Years in the Life of Herod the Great,” Bibliotheca Sacra 177 (2020): 442–461.

[WilliamL]

2 minutes ago, other one said:

And I've read just as many places where he died in 1 BC

Steinmann, Andrew "When Did Herod the Great Reign?", Novum Testamentum, Volume 51, Number 1, 2009, pp. 1–29; Young, Rodger C. and Andrew E. Steinmann, “Caligula’s Statue for the Jerusalem Temple and Its Relation to the Chronology of Herod the Great,” Journal of the Evangelical Theological Society 62 (2019): 759–774; Steinmann, Andrew E. and Rodger C. Young, “Elapsed Times for Herod the Great in Josephus,” Bibliotheca Sacra 177 (2020): 308–328; Steinmann, Andrew E. and Rodger C. Young, “Consular Years and Sabbatical Years in the Life of Herod the Great,” Bibliotheca Sacra 177 (2020): 442–461.

But none of these authors lived in the same era as Herod, like Josephus did. None of them have original records of either Jesus' birth or Herod's reign. I always weight contemporary records over modern speculations. But you're welcome to choose otherwise.

[other one]

Just now, WilliamL said:

But none of these authors lived in the same era as Herod, like Josephus did. None of them have original records of either Jesus' birth or Herod's reign. I always weight contemporary records over modern speculations. But you're welcome to choose otherwise.

It's difficult to post all the things I have read over the years, however I would just disagree.  It's been decades since I reconciled this in my mind.