How The Lord Jesus Saves The World:

[JAG**]

(and maybe even saves you one day - don't you want to live forever?)

"As Rousas John Rushdooney notes: The key to remedying the world situation
is NOT revolution, nor any kind of resistance that works to subvert law and order.
The key is regeneration, propagation of the gospel, and the conversion of men
and nations to God's laws.

This is [true] because evil men cannot produce a good society. The key to renewal
is regeneration."

Source: He Shall Have Dominion
by Kenneth Gentry, page 82

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Regeneration is mentioned in John 3:3 where the Lord Jesus said to
a Jewish leader, "You must be born again."

Regeneration changes your nature. You were dead in sin and your
fallen human nature was dead -- but regeneration is the supernatural
work of the Holy Spirit where he makes you ALIVE and changes your
nature so that NOW you CAN understand spiritual truths -- whereas
before you were regenerated, spiritual truths were thought to be mere
foolishness to you.

The Lord Jesus will Christianize the world one person at a time. The
Lord Jesus wins The War For The World as noted above.

The Lord Jesus NOW has been given ALL authority both in Heaven and
here and Earth -- see the ending of Matthew chapter 28

JAG

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[Marilyn C]

4 hours ago, JAG** said:

The Lord Jesus will Christianize the world one person at a time. The
Lord Jesus wins The War For The World as noted above.


JAG

 

Hi JAG,

You may not realize it but this teaching is false. However, it is being taught in many church organizations. You see in God`s word we read that Jesus has already overcome the world system and the father of lies. 

`These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world(system). (John 16: 33)

He is NOT going to `Christianize` the world system, but JUDGE it. (Rev. 14 - 19)

[FreeGrace]

22 hours ago, JAG** said:

Regeneration is mentioned in John 3:3 where the Lord Jesus said to
a Jewish leader, "You must be born again."

Regeneration changes your nature. You were dead in sin and your
fallen human nature was dead -- but regeneration is the supernatural
work of the Holy Spirit where he makes you ALIVE and changes your
nature so that NOW you CAN understand spiritual truths

To be clear, regenreation does NOT change your nature.  Rather, you receive a NEW nature.  Paul taught that believers still have a sinful nature, which is called the human nature.

When a person believes in Christ, they are said to be "made alive" (Eph 2:5), "regenerated" (Titus 3:5) or born again (John 3:3).  All refer to the same thing.  "on the day" that Adam ate the forbidden fruit, he died spiritually.  Meaning, his human spirit died.  He went from being trichotomous to dichotomous.  

Jesus taught the woman at the well that to worship God, one must do so in spirit (human) and truth (God's way).  The only way to have relationship with God is by means of the human spirit, which is where the Holy Spirit dwells.  

When in fellowship (1 John 1:9) and filled (influenced) with the Spirit (Eph 5:18) and the believer is able to "put to death the deeds of the flesh" (Romans 8:13) and not "fulfill the lusts of the flesh" (Gal 5:16).

Otherwise, the believer will grieve the Spirit (Eph 4:30) and/or quench the Spirit (1 Thess 5:19), thereby acting like any unbeliever.

[JAG**]

On 8/17/2024 at 3:17 PM, Marilyn C said:

Hi JAG,

You may not realize it but this teaching is false. However, it is being taught in many church organizations. You see in God`s word we read that Jesus has already overcome the world system and the father of lies. 

`These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world(system). (John 16: 33)

He is NOT going to `Christianize` the world system, but JUDGE it. (Rev. 14 - 19)

"I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world."

The Lord Jesus John 12:47

 

Best.

 

JAG

 

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[JAG**]

On 8/18/2024 at 10:06 AM, FreeGrace said:

To be clear, regenreation does NOT change your nature.  Rather, you receive a NEW nature.  Paul taught that believers still have a sinful nature, which is called the human nature.

When a person believes in Christ, they are said to be "made alive" (Eph 2:5), "regenerated" (Titus 3:5) or born again (John 3:3).  All refer to the same thing.  "on the day" that Adam ate the forbidden fruit, he died spiritually.  Meaning, his human spirit died.  He went from being trichotomous to dichotomous.  

Jesus taught the woman at the well that to worship God, one must do so in spirit (human) and truth (God's way).  The only way to have relationship with God is by means of the human spirit, which is where the Holy Spirit dwells.  

When in fellowship (1 John 1:9) and filled (influenced) with the Spirit (Eph 5:18) and the believer is able to "put to death the deeds of the flesh" (Romans 8:13) and not "fulfill the lusts of the flesh" (Gal 5:16).

Otherwise, the believer will grieve the Spirit (Eph 4:30) and/or quench the Spirit (1 Thess 5:19), thereby acting like any unbeliever.

You are correct. My mistake - we get a new nature.

 

Best.

 

JAG

 

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[tatwo]

On 8/18/2024 at 12:06 PM, FreeGrace said:

"on the day" that Adam ate the forbidden fruit, he died spiritually.  Meaning, his human spirit died.  He went from being trichotomous to dichotomous.

He died spiritually…meaning he was no longer in a “Spirit to spirit” relationship with his Father due to his rebellion and disobedience. The “eyes of his soul were opened"…and he began to live from his carnal soul versus his spirit as before the fall…the separation. Death is defined as “separation from God”…even though you can be physically alive…hence the work of the Lord in reconciling man to God.

A man’s spirit cannot die FreeGrace…in speaking of a man going to his eternal home…”then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.” (Ecc 12) Until a man dies in his flesh…it is the “spirit life” (pneuma breath) of God that keeps him alive.

James said it like this…”For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.”  Adam died…but not physically as would have been the case if his spirit had gone back to God from where it came.

All men who are dead spiritually and alive physically have a spirit...or there would be no place for the Holy Spirt to indwell.

This is what Paul is saying when he wrote to the Thessalonians..."Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Tatwo...:)

[tatwo]

On 8/17/2024 at 1:14 PM, JAG** said:

Regeneration changes your nature. You were dead in sin and your
fallen human nature was dead -- but regeneration is the supernatural
work of the Holy Spirit where he makes you ALIVE and changes your
nature so that NOW you CAN understand spiritual truths -- whereas
before you were regenerated, spiritual truths were thought to be mere
foolishness to you.

This is well put JAG**…I can follow your “process”…”fallen human nature = dead in sin” that would be the condition of the soul…”dead in sin.” Regeneration (rebirth, conversion, “metanoia”) is a “good word” by definition…because when the “Holy Spirit” indwells your “spirit” and begins to grow and mature your soul in His ways…which is the process of moving your soul from “death to life or ALIVE” as you put it…it completely “regenerates” the soul and the man.

This is talking about a transformation of the “mind of the soul” which was conformed to the ways of the world…to being conformed to the “mind of the Spirit” so that so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect. This is a picture of the process of spiritual maturity.

Tatwo...:)

[FreeGrace]

38 minutes ago, tatwo said:

  FreeGrace said:

"on the day" that Adam ate the forbidden fruit, he died spiritually.  Meaning, his human spirit died.  He went from being trichotomous to dichotomous.

He died spiritually…meaning he was no longer in a “Spirit to spirit” relationship with his Father due to his rebellion and disobedience. The “eyes of his soul were opened"…and he began to live from his carnal soul versus his spirit as before the fall…the separation. Death is defined as “separation from God”…even though you can be physically alive…hence the work of the Lord in reconciling man to God.

The Lord literally warned Adam & Eve that they WOULD DIE "on the day" they ate fruit from the forbidden tree.  That resulted in no longer in a Spirit to spirit relationship.  So being spiritually dead literally means his spirit is dead.  It's not a metaphysical idea.  And that is why we have the words "born AGAIN, RE-generation, and being made alive".  They describe a literal condition.  Or words don't mean anything.

38 minutes ago, tatwo said:

A man’s spirit cannot die FreeGrace…in speaking of a man going to his eternal home…

I think you are confusing soul from spirit.  When the spirit of Adam died, he lost "connection" with God and was unable to initiate worship.  Just as Jesus told the woman at the well.  So, the human spirit is where the Holy Spirit dwells in all believers.  But unbelievers have no connection with God until they believe in Christ.

38 minutes ago, tatwo said:

”then the dust will return to the earth as it was, and the spirit will return to God who gave it.” (Ecc 12) Until a man dies in his flesh…it is the “spirit life” (pneuma breath) of God that keeps him alive.

Unfortunately, the words "soul" and "spirit" are used interchangeably in Scripture.  But Heb 4:12 very clearly differentiates them.  As well as 1 Cor 14:14.  The "mind" in that verse is the soul, where the intellect, emotions, etc exist.

38 minutes ago, tatwo said:

James said it like this…”For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead.”  Adam died…but not physically as would have been the case if his spirit had gone back to God from where it came.

Since every unbeliever has a DEAD human spirit, when they die, it is their soul that leaves the body and remains conscious.  Jesus made that clear when He told about Lazarus and the rich man in Luke 16.  Both died and went to Hades, Laz to "Abraham's bosom"
 and in comfort, while the rich man went to "torments".  Both were conscious.  Jesus was talking about the "real person" which is their souls.  Our bodies are only "tents" according to Scripture.  It houses the soul, and human spirit for believers.

38 minutes ago, tatwo said:

All men who are dead spiritually and alive physically have a spirit...or there would be no place for the Holy Spirt to indwell.

Except the Holy Spirit doesn't dwell in any unbeliever.  That is WHY everyone needs to be born AGAIN, RE-generated and made alive, which is accomplished by faith in Christ.  Only then does the Holy Spirit dwell in the believer.

38 minutes ago, tatwo said:

This is what Paul is saying when he wrote to the Thessalonians..."Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you entirely; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved complete, without blame at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ."

Tatwo...:)

Exactly!!  Paul recognized that believers are trichotomous.  Heb 4:12 clearly differentiates the soul and spirit, just as "bone and marrow", though related, are DIFFERENT.

[FreeGrace]

34 minutes ago, tatwo said:

  JAG** said:

Regeneration changes your nature. You were dead in sin and your
fallen human nature was dead -- but regeneration is the supernatural
work of the Holy Spirit where he makes you ALIVE and changes your
nature so that NOW you CAN understand spiritual truths -- whereas
before you were regenerated, spiritual truths were thought to be mere
foolishness to you.

This is well put JAG**…I can follow your “process”…”fallen human nature = dead in sin” that would be the condition of the soul…”dead in sin.” Regeneration (rebirth, conversion, “metanoia”) is a “good word” by definition…

Except "metanoia" isn't about regeneration but is the word for repentance, or literally, a change of mind.

34 minutes ago, tatwo said:

because when the “Holy Spirit” indwells your “spirit” and begins to grow and mature your soul in His ways…which is the process of moving your soul from “death to life or ALIVE” as you put it…it completely “regenerates” the soul and the man.

The Holy Spirit indwells the human spirit because it is the human spirit that connects the believer to God, as Jesus taught the woman at the well.  John 4:24.  The soul cannot be "regenerated".  It is alive and functioning at birth.  And continues after death, as Jesus showed in Luke 16.  

34 minutes ago, tatwo said:

This is talking about a transformation of the “mind of the soul” which was conformed to the ways of the world…to being conformed to the “mind of the Spirit” so that so that you may prove what the will of God is, that which is good and acceptable and perfect. This is a picture of the process of spiritual maturity.

Tatwo...:)

There are 2 transformations, one guaranteed and the other is potential.  The guaranteed transformation is being born AGAIN, RE-generated or made alive.  That is what happens to the dead human spirit the moment one believes in Christ.  This is how and why the believer is even able to grow up into spiritual maturity.

The potential transformation is called "sanctification" and is the process of spiritual growth.  Unfortunately, many believers never grow up spiritually, and remain carnal.  Phil 2:12 mentions "salvation" in the sense of sanctification, or the presence tense meaning of salvation:  being saved from the power of sin.

[Marilyn C]

3 hours ago, JAG** said:

"I did not come to judge the world, but to save the world."

The Lord Jesus John 12:47

 

Best.

 

JAG

 

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The word `world` is the world of nature, or man`s world system, or mankind. Your scripture refers to Jesus coming to save mankind. However, it is man`s world system that He will judge. 

`He shall judge the world (system) in righteousness. ` (Ps. 9: 8)