Are You Ready For Coming Events??

[Michael37]

On 9/3/2024 at 6:26 AM, Jayne said:

I just cannot agree with you that the "beast" is literally Satan.  I've read Revelation, taught it twice in its entirety, and listened to it being preached from this year by my own pastor.  He taught it over several months in its entirety.

Satan is described in chapter 12 as battling those who cling to Christ. “Then the dragon was enraged at the woman and went off to wage war against the rest of her offspring — those who keep God’s commands and hold fast their testimony about Jesus”

Now, in chapter 13, Satan [referred to as the dragon, not beast] calls out TWO beasts - one from the sea and one from the land.

[I.]  THE FIRST BEAST = Chapter 13:1-4- A beast is called out from the sea.  John says he witnesses this.  The oldest of manuscripts include that John saw Satan standing on the shore.   He has the appearance of wild animals. The beast has lots of heads and horns and crowns and Satan, the dragon, gives this beast LOTS of power, authority, has him recover from a fatal wound - or in actuallity as wound "AS IF" fatal.  The whole world is fascinated with this beast and follows him - a mortal man used by Satan and empowered by Satan.  Ergo, this first beast cannot be Satan.   With him having many horns and "horns" in the Bible representing political power, the evil man puppeted by Satan will be a political ruler.  He is LIKE the dragon of chapter 12, yet not the dragon, as he is instead controlled by the dragon.  The dragon and the beast are not the same entity.

Humanity, the Bible says in verse 4 worshipped BOTH the dragon who gave the power and the beast who received the power.

[II.}  THE SECOND BEAST = Chapter 13:11-15 - This second  "beast" does not come from the sea.  He comes from the earth.  Instead of looking like a wild animal, the beast or evil man looks like a lamb but sounds   like the dragon.  He is referred to in Revelation 16 as the False Prophet.  His job is to promote worship.  He will be a "spirituality" promoter - a man of "religion".  But it will be devil-worship.  He will convince people to erect an image of the first beast.  He is "granted power" - as he has none of his own - to make the image "speak".  He is obviously not the dragon nor the first beast.

[III.]  THE UNHOLY THREE ARE DISTINCT FROM ONE ANOTHER = Chapter 16:13 - "And I saw, coming out of the mouth of the dragon and out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet, three unclean spirits like frogs."

@Progressive Truth See above for the correct statement regarding the dragon and the two beasts of Rev 13. 

[WilliamL]

On 9/2/2024 at 12:26 PM, Jayne said:

THE FIRST BEAST = Chapter 13:1-4- A beast is called out from the sea.  ... The beast has lots of heads and horns and crowns and Satan, the dragon, gives this beast LOTS of power, authority, has him recover from a fatal wound - or in actuallity as wound "AS IF" fatal.  The whole world is fascinated with this beast and follows him - a mortal man used by Satan and empowered by Satan.  Ergo, this first beast cannot be Satan.   With him having many horns and "horns" in the Bible representing political power, the evil man puppeted by Satan will be a political ruler. 

Nothing says that this Beast is a man. That is your (and others') presumption added to the Word.

Men can't have seven heads. Spirits, such as Satan and other evil angels, can.

The Beast "ascends from the Abyss." Rev. 11:7; 17:8 Men aren't in the Abyss: it was where the fallen angels were cast.

 

68. The Beast Is Not a (Seven-Headed!) Man, Part 1

Explains why the Beast of Revelation 13 cannot be a man, and reveals who and what it really is. https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2778-the-beast-is-not-a-seven-headed-man-part-1/

69. The Beast, Part 2: Its Seven Heads https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2779-the-beast-part-2-its-seven-heads/

70. The Beast, Part 3: Who IS the Beast? https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2780-the-beast-part-3-who-is-the-beast/

71. The Beast, Part 4: Azazel and the Abyss https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2786-the-beast-part-4-azazel-and-the-abyss/

72. The Beast, Part 5: The King of the Abyss https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2795-the-beast-part-5-the-king-of-the-abyss/

 

[Jayne]

4 hours ago, WilliamL said:

Nothing says that this Beast is a man. That is your (and others') presumption added to the Word.

Men can't have seven heads. Spirits, such as Satan and other evil angels, can.

As far as the many heads - Revelation is FULL of symbolic imagery.  Surely you know that.

The Apostle John does not use the word Antichrist in the book of Revelation, but instead uses the word Beast.

The book of Daniel, Thessalonians, and more teach that THE and final Antichrist is a human male.

We are just going to have to disagree here.

[Diaste]

On 9/2/2024 at 9:02 AM, Progressive Truth said:

If your soul purpose on this forum is just to promote your point of view, then your statement makes perfect sense. 

However, if it is too consider other perspectives as well, with the possibility of a better understanding of prophecy I would encourage you to take the 18 min., (which is likely less time than it took you too post this response) too view the video. 

As far as I'm concerned the only perspective on the end of the age that has all the credibility, above all others, is the perspective of Jesus Christ.

We are told the Holy Spirit will lead us to all truth, not YouTube videos. 

Besides that, I've watched many videos. All are as you say, 'a perspective'. 

[Progressive Truth]

6 hours ago, Diaste said:

As far as I'm concerned the only perspective on the end of the age that has all the credibility, above all others, is the perspective of Jesus Christ.

We are told the Holy Spirit will lead us to all truth, not YouTube videos. 

Besides that, I've watched many videos. All are as you say, 'a perspective'. 

How can the Holy Spirit lead anyone with a closed mind?

[Neighbor]

17 minutes ago, Progressive Truth said:

How can the Holy Spirit lead anyone with a closed mind?

By direct confrontation through angels!

[Progressive Truth]

4 hours ago, Neighbor said:

By direct confrontation through angels!

Do you experience this quite often ?

[Neighbor]

2 hours ago, Progressive Truth said:

Do you experience this quite often ?

All I needed was once! But communication by lead of the Holy Spirit,   yes sure! Often enough I suppose as it has dictated the direction of much  of my life.  I guess "often" is a relative term, relative to what by comparison.

p.s.Of course many times that I known of, yes as I think on it sure, often! 

[WilliamL]

On 9/3/2024 at 9:26 PM, Jayne said:

The book of Daniel, Thessalonians, and more teach that THE and final Antichrist is a human male.

No, they do not. Such teachings are doctrines of men, imposed into the meaning of the various texts. This is called eisegesis.

[Jayne]

6 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

No, they do not. Such teachings are doctrines of men, imposed into the meaning of the various texts. This is called eisegesis.

I know what eisegesis and exegesis are.  As I said, you and I will just have to disagree.