Is God Still Speaking Thru Prophets Today to Steer the Nations?

[tatwo]

15 hours ago, BornAgain490 said:

We have God's word and the promises of God written for all generations.  Jesus never said He was going to send another prophet; He said was going to send the Comforter- the Holy Spirit. Jesus did warm us about false prophets to come. 

God gave us the prophets and the apostles, and through them God gave to us all the info we need.  Jesus, who is God, is the law and the prophets. Listen to Him. 

Greetings BornAgain490...

Your post..."Jesus never said He was going to send another prophet"

Paul writes in Ephesians chapter 4...I am using verses 10 - 12 [emphasis mine]... "He [Yahshua]who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He [Yahshua]might fill all things.)  (11)  And He [Yahshua] gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,  (12)  "for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ"

Based upon this writing we can see what was given...apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers"...and who it was that "GAVE GIFTS TO MEN"...these gifts are nothing less than character attributes of the giver...The Lord Yahshua Christ.

So yes...He did say that He would be sending another prophet(s).

He told us when, why and for how long...He gave these gifts to men...BornAgain490...that's for another post...perhaps.

Tatwo...:) 

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[tatwo]

@jean yan

The title of your forum..."Is God Still Speaking Thru Prophets Today to Steer the Nations?"

This can be a tricky question...it is not a tricky question to me however...it is a good question one deserving of an equal answer.

The "prophets of God" of today...are the "prophets of the Kingdom of God" a "spiritual nation" on earth today. They are still speaking for God...however...they are only "steering" to use your term...the Kingdom of God...the Body of Christ...the temple of God.

Any of the "prophets" or "prophecies" you listed in your OP are likely to be in error...unless they prophesied the "will of God" to the "Kingdom of God" which is a nation of kings and priests. 

I'll leave you with that for now.

Tatwo...:)

[BornAgain490]

11 minutes ago, tatwo said:

Greetings BornAgain490...

Your post..."Jesus never said He was going to send another prophet"

Paul writes in Ephesians chapter 4...I am using verses 10 - 12 [emphasis mine]... "He [Yahshua]who descended is Himself also He who ascended far above all the heavens, so that He [Yahshua]might fill all things.)  (11)  And He [Yahshua] gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,  (12)  "for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ"

Based upon this writing we can see what was given...apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors and teachers"...and who it was that "GAVE GIFTS TO MEN"...these gifts are nothing less than character attributes of the giver...The Lord Yahshua Christ. So yes...He did say that He would be sending another prophet(s).

He told us when, why and for how long...He gave these gifts to men BornAgain490...that's for another post...perhaps.

Tatwo...:) 

If by 'prophet' you mean someone that God is using to foretell events to come, then I have to disagree. We have the Bible with all the prophecies of God, some of which are yet fulfilled. 

If by 'prophet' you mean someone that has the gift of expositing truth, then I ageee: we have such men.  Some are teachers and preachers and evangelists, but not all teachers and preachers and evangelists are such prophets, because not all exposit the truth. 

 

[enoob57]

3 hours ago, tatwo said:

I have no desire to try to convince you of anything Enoob57...none..it would be impossible for me.

I do occasionally confront fallacy raised up as Truth...to be worshipped as Truth...simply in an attempt to offer my brothers and sisters a standard of light in the darkness. 

JoeCanada presented you with sufficient scripture to illuminate the Lord's intentions for His prophetic Spirit expressly and directly for the end of the age...you also told him that he too failed your litmus test of scriptural accuracy...

As you will Enoob57...as you will. A once famous prophet said..."That which is born of the flesh is flesh, and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit."

Tatwo...:)

Joel has no specific time stamp ... thus to apply it this time period is guess work at best and not rightly dividing the Scripture with accuracy as thus sayeth The Lord. You may well believe this is correct way to operate within Scripture... but I highly suggest you find out what God thinks and that is only found within Scripture using a proper hermeneutic... And as I have already shown God thinks His Scripture thoroughly furnishes us with all we need in this present period of the Church age... As I fill myself with God's Word which is The Holy Spirit's work ... I am filling myself with the things of Spirit... thanks for the dialog.

[WilliamL]

On 9/18/2024 at 4:47 AM, enoob57 said:

There is no more prophecy as God's Word is sealed ...

Revelation 22:18 (KJV)

[18] For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:

[19] And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

 

The fallacy of your argument is that you PRESUME that "this book" is the whole Bible, which Bible by no means had yet been compiled.

In the context of Revelation, however, "this book" is the Book of Revelation:

Rev. 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave Him to show His servants... 3 Blessed is he who reads and those who hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written in it...

"The prophecy of this book" is "this prophecy," and none other. There is no biblical testimony to the contrary.

Here is another testimony of prophesying to come, besides the one in Joel:

Amos 3:7 Surely the Lord GOD will do nothing, unless He reveals His secret to His servants the prophets.

There are still many secrets to be revealed, and prophets called to reveal them. For many such secrets have been "closed up and sealed until the time of the end." Daniel 12:9

 

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[Jayne]

On 9/18/2024 at 5:47 AM, enoob57 said:

There is no more prophecy as God's Word is sealed ...

I'm quoting you so that people will read it again....

Also, the Bible is clear!!!!  Hebrews 1:1-2 = "In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, and through whom also he made the universe."

The book of Revelation of Jesus Christ is Jesus' final word to mankind in inspired/written forum.  Spoken to the Apostle John completely explaining things up to the last day of earth and the first days of glory!!!

There are NO new revelations.  I'm not saying that God does not speak to people.  I'm saying that God no longer speaks to people to write things down, publish a book, and sell it/give it away as the Word of God.

[enoob57]

2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

The prophecy of this book" is "this prophecy," and none other. There is no biblical testimony to the contrary.

William you may not be aware but Revelation lays out what exactly is sealed:

Revelation 1:19 (KJV) ¹⁹Write the things which thou hast seen, and the things which are, and the things which shall be hereafter;

William this covers what Revelation time periods are. It is past, present and future and that is what is sealed at the end of this book!

[tatwo]

19 hours ago, BornAgain490 said:

If by 'prophet' you mean someone that God is using to foretell events to come, then I have to disagree.

Well as you wish BornAgain490…as you wish. What you "exclude yourself" from with faith like that is...that any…yet unfulfilled prophecy [past, present or future] or mystery hidden in God from long ages past…that He is going to reveal in terms of His plans for His creation and His plans to complete it…along with His plans for the next age.

These are hidden from those who believe that the prophets and apostles of today cannot and are not used of the Lord to reveal Himself and His ways that are yet hidden. To think that God has revealed to man everything there is for Him to reveal [foretell]...is a questionable belief in my opinion...however you should follow what you believe...everyman has a judgment to face. 

For example…can you explain to me or us who, what, and why these “4 living creatures are in the midst and around the throne of God”…in Revelation 4. These who call forth “come” to the four horseman of the apocalypse in Revelation 6. And one of which gives God’s bowls of wrath to the seven angels of Revelation 15? 

These creatures are in the midst of and around the throne...they issue command...they hand out the wrath of God.

19 hours ago, BornAgain490 said:

If by 'prophet' you mean someone that has the gift of expositing truth, then I ageee: we have such men.

Ok…so I posted exactly what I meant BornAgain490…here for your reminder… “He [Yahshua] gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,  (12)  "for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ”

Now there is more to that description…however I am curious as to whether or not you understand or are interested in what Paul wrote which I quoted from Ephesians 4?

Tatwo...:)

[enoob57]

3 minutes ago, tatwo said:

everyman has a judgment to face. 

That will entail this
John 12:48 (KJV)

[48] He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Interesting Scripture itself defines judgment by His Word and that same Word says this
2 Corinthians 10:5 (KJV)

[5] Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

So, my question is if prophecy is still coming from God today then we do not have the completed knowledge of God to judge what is imagined...

It is clear by the text that we have a completed communication, as to knowledge, to what is imagined and what is not... this agrees with Scripture
2 Timothy 3:15-17 (KJV)

[15] And that from a child thou hast known the holy scriptures, which are able to make thee wise unto salvation through faith which is in Christ Jesus.

[16] All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:

[17] That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works.

 

[BornAgain490]

27 minutes ago, tatwo said:

Well as you wish BornAgain490…as you wish. What you "exclude yourself" from with faith like that is...that any…yet unfulfilled prophecy [past, present or future] or mystery hidden in God from long ages past…that He is going to reveal in terms of His plans for His creation and His plans to complete it…along with His plans for the next age.

These are hidden from those who believe that the prophets and apostles of today cannot and are not used of the Lord to reveal Himself and His ways that are yet hidden. To think that God has revealed to man everything there is for Him to reveal [foretell]...is a questionable belief in my opinion...however you should follow what you believe...everyman has a judgment to face. 

For example…can you explain to me or us who, what, and why these “4 living creatures are in the midst and around the throne of God”…in Revelation 4. These who call forth “come” to the four horseman of the apocalypse in Revelation 6. And one of which gives God’s bowls of wrath to the seven angels of Revelation 15? 

These creatures are in the midst of and around the throne...they issue command...they hand out the wrath of God.

Ok…so I posted exactly what I meant BornAgain490…here for your reminder… “He [Yahshua] gave some as apostles, and some as prophets, and some as evangelists, and some as pastors and teachers,  (12)  "for the equipping of the saints for the work of service, to the building up of the body of Christ”

Now there is more to that description…however I am curious as to whether or not you understand or are interested in what Paul wrote which I quoted from Ephesians 4?

Tatwo...:)

You believe we have modern day prophets that receive new revelation directly from God, in other words: these modern day prophets you claim to exist have received Theopneustos words.  Name them so that they and the words they claim to be Theopneustos can be tested.