Where did the millions of voters come from, and where did they go? (Chart)

[wingnut-]

On 11/7/2024 at 6:02 AM, nebula said:

These images are being spread around social media.

Thoughts?

 

The 2020 election was destined to appear as an anomaly because of the unique set of circumstances surrounding it, specifically Covid.  The mass implementation of the voting by mail with the early ballots made it ripe for manipulation.

While many of the votes were undoubtedly not cast by actual people, this has always been the case, and there are a lot of people who also took advantage of voting from home that otherwise don't usually vote.

In my home state of Michigan, it has been well known and proven that from within Detroit there has been cheating going back to the sixties, with not only votes from the dead, but also from cartoon characters.  In 2020 the number of voters from Detroit far exceeded the number of people living there according to the census that was done prior to that election cycle, and those numbers were slightly higher than the normal level of corruption.

The truth is, aside from votes cast by dead people and cartoon characters, it is impossible for either side to prove that the election was stolen because one third of the population either will not vote at all, or they are part of the inconsistent voter group that may or may not choose to vote in any election cycle.

 

[Sparks]

21 hours ago, wingnut- said:

The truth is, aside from votes cast by dead people and cartoon characters, it is impossible for either side to prove that the election was stolen because one third of the population either will not vote at all, or they are part of the inconsistent voter group that may or may not choose to vote in any election cycle.

I think the election being stolen can be proven.  There is a lot of direct evidence and circumstantial evidence that shows the cheating, so much so, that anyone who merely looks can see easily it.  But that is the problem; no one with authority wanted to look.

All the people that claim there was no cheating didn't actually look.  If you saw some woman feeding the same stack of votes into a counting machine, over-and-over on video, would you at least have some questions about possible cheating?  How about the whole documentary 2000 Mules, which shows people stuffing loafs of ballots into outdoor boxes in the dead-of-night on the government's own security cameras?  Would you have the slightest question about that or why officials didn't look at their own cameras?  The dead people voting, the mail-in ballots that were not even folded (meaning never sent to the voter), not signed, no signature comparisons, stacks of ballots printed right off of a computer, poll witnesses sent away while the cheating happened, mail trucks full of ballots showing up after deadlines (on video), and much more? 

If you are making any kind of statement about there being no cheating, or no way to know that cheating happened, then I am going to guess you didn't look at anything people presented as cheating, and instead just doubted it, normalcy biased it, and you otherwise watched the main stream news down playing it, and the courts and officials ignoring it. 

You admit that cheating always happens, but in 2020, nothing like it had ever happened before. 

[The_Patriot21]

If one wants more evidence of fraud in the 2020 election, all one has to do is look at the states that were blue in 2020 and switched to red in 2024. Every single one implemented voter ID laws.

Now, it's nieve to believe that only one side was committing fraud. It likely happened across the board in all states. 

However, one side was clearly better at it, and better organized with it. And the other was willing to help solve the fraud altogether by implementing rules to stop it. And they largely succeeded, leading to probably one of the most honest elections in a long time.

[wingnut-]

11 hours ago, Sparks said:

I think the election being stolen can be proven.  There is a lot of direct evidence and circumstantial evidence that shows the cheating, so much so, that anyone who merely looks can see easily it.  But that is the problem; no one with authority wanted to look.

All the people that claim there was no cheating didn't actually look.  If you saw some woman feeding the same stack of votes into a counting machine, over-and-over on video, would you at least have some questions about possible cheating?  How about the whole documentary 2000 Mules, which shows people stuffing loafs of ballots into outdoor boxes in the dead-of-night on the government's own security cameras?  Would you have the slightest question about that or why officials didn't look at their own cameras?  The dead people voting, the mail-in ballots that were not even folded (meaning never sent to the voter), not signed, no signature comparisons, stacks of ballots printed right off of a computer, poll witnesses sent away while the cheating happened, mail trucks full of ballots showing up after deadlines (on video), and much more? 

If you are making any kind of statement about there being no cheating, or no way to know that cheating happened, then I am going to guess you didn't look at anything people presented as cheating, and instead just doubted it, normalcy biased it, and you otherwise watched the main stream news down playing it, and the courts and officials ignoring it. 

You admit that cheating always happens, but in 2020, nothing like it had ever happened before. 

 

Exactly my point, cheating always happens.  What had never happened before was a "pandemic" in which the population was confined by the government and mass mail balloting took place.

You failed to address that, instead appearing confused as to whether I am trying to make a statement opposite of what you clearly recognize I said, cheating has been happening longer than we've been alive.

I actually did look at the evidence, and it doesn't add up to ten million votes.  So, again, I didn't doubt it since I know it happens, and if I have any bias, it is on the side of the fact that cheating always happens and the democrats are the main source of it since it always revolves around the major cities they control.

[Sparks]

14 hours ago, wingnut- said:

Exactly my point, cheating always happens.  What had never happened before was a "pandemic" in which the population was confined by the government and mass mail balloting took place.

You failed to address that, instead appearing confused as to whether I am trying to make a statement opposite of what you clearly recognize I said, cheating has been happening longer than we've been alive.

I think the Plandemic was a part of the cheating, and I think you down-played the amount cheating that happened in 2020, in your original post.  There was more cheating in 2020 than has ever been in our lives.  Trump won that election.    

14 hours ago, wingnut- said:

I actually did look at the evidence, and it doesn't add up to ten million votes.

In your inspection of the evidence, just how much cheating did you find was done?  Where did you find the evidence you examined, and how do you know you saw all of it?  Hopefully you didn't use the main stream media or the Democrat 'fact checkers' as your source.

[wingnut-]

23 hours ago, Sparks said:

I think the Plandemic was a part of the cheating, and I think you down-played the amount cheating that happened in 2020, in your original post.  There was more cheating in 2020 than has ever been in our lives.  Trump won that election.  

 

I think your own bias blinded you from the words you were reading then.

 

On 11/30/2024 at 2:51 PM, wingnut- said:

 

The mass implementation of the voting by mail with the early ballots made it ripe for manipulation.

While many of the votes were undoubtedly not cast by actual people, this has always been the case, and there are a lot of people who also took advantage of voting from home that otherwise don't usually vote.

In 2020 the number of voters from Detroit far exceeded the number of people living there according to the census that was done prior to that election cycle, and those numbers were slightly higher than the normal level of corruption.

 

 

There are several excerpts from my original post, what do you see there?

 

23 hours ago, Sparks said:

In your inspection of the evidence, just how much cheating did you find was done?

 

Here in Michigan it was proportionate to the increased number of overall votes, so basically at the same percentage with a slightly higher number.

 

23 hours ago, Sparks said:

Where did you find the evidence you examined, and how do you know you saw all of it?

 

I was one of the many volunteers that participated in the investigation that was done here in Michigan.  So I saw all of it.  I'm also familiar with the evidence from other recounts that took place across the nation, and the same pattern held true across the board.  The numbers were not enough to change the results anywhere, and it came out to numbers in the thousands, not in the ballpark of ten million.

 

23 hours ago, Sparks said:

Hopefully you didn't use the main stream media or the Democrat 'fact checkers' as your source.

 

I hate to burst another bubble of false assumptions, but I was calling out the main stream media a decade and a half before Donald Trump decided to enter politics.  I'm a journalism major, and I used to debate this with liberal flunkies on this very site after pointing out that true objective journalism hadn't been practiced in this country since the media figures of the 70's stepped aside.

I haven't watched the main stream media channels or read their papers since the beginning of the 21st century, except of course on two occasions that I couldn't resist.  Those were following the election results in 2016 and the recent one, just because I cannot express how much pleasure I get from seeing the looks on their faces as their world comes unraveled by reality.

[Sparks]

20 hours ago, wingnut- said:

I think your own bias blinded you from the words you were reading then.

Nice try.

20 hours ago, wingnut- said:

There are several excerpts from my original post, what do you see there?

I see what I described in my response to you; you admit cheating, but down-play it.

20 hours ago, wingnut- said:

Here in Michigan it was proportionate to the increased number of overall votes, so basically at the same percentage with a slightly higher number.

I can kind of noodle out what you are trying to say, but this is a vague, evasive, and non-committal answer. 

20 hours ago, wingnut- said:

I was one of the many volunteers that participated in the investigation that was done here in Michigan.  So I saw all of it. 

It does not sound like you saw it all unless you were there at each precinct in the nation that cheated.  While I admire that you would participate in your own states affairs, maybe you are no good at detecting cheating.  Dominion voting machines were used in Michigan. Did you audit the software?  Do you know how to audit software? If not, again you didn't see it all.  How many dead people voted?  If you don't know, you didn't see it all.

20 hours ago, wingnut- said:

I'm also familiar with the evidence from other recounts that took place across the nation, and the same pattern held true across the board. 

Is it possible that people who cheat and who get to count the votes again, cheat again?  Incidentally, you don't need many votes to cheat in a swing state. In your state, Biden received 2,804,040 votes (50.6% of the total), while Donald Trump received 2,649,852 votes (47.8%). This gave Biden a margin of victory of about 2.8%.  There is only 154,188 votes difference between the two candidates.   Any chance in your audit that some Biden Ballots were recounted over-and-over again?  In Fulton County (Atlanta, Georgia) there is a video of this being done, there.

20 hours ago, wingnut- said:

I hate to burst another bubble of false assumptions, but I was calling out the main stream media a decade and a half before Donald Trump decided to enter politics.  I'm a journalism major, and I used to debate this with liberal flunkies on this very site after pointing out that true objective journalism hadn't been practiced in this country since the media figures of the 70's stepped aside.

I am glad to hear you don't trust the main stream media, although you did say you were familiar with nation wide recounts. Where did you gain your familiarity for 2020?  Main stream media?

Often, if you want to know the truth, you need to watch the videos the media don't want you to see.  Since 2012, the US Government has been allowed to make up its own news; literally propaganda.  They don't exactly tell you which news they have made up.  Next to Satan, the father of lies, Government is the biggest liar out there. 

[wingnut-]

3 hours ago, Sparks said:

I see what I described in my response to you; you admit cheating, but down-play it.

 

 

If that's what you see then so be it, I'm not an optometrist.  I'm not interested in all the back and forth since you still cannot address the elephant in the room, ten million votes.

Show me the evidence that reveals ten million instances of cheating, because so far everything you pointed to supports the findings those of us who worked on this uncovered, numbers in the thousands.

[Sparks]

38 minutes ago, wingnut- said:

 

If that's what you see then so be it, I'm not an optometrist.  I'm not interested in all the back and forth since you still cannot address the elephant in the room, ten million votes.

Show me the evidence that reveals ten million instances of cheating, because so far everything you pointed to supports the findings those of us who worked on this uncovered, numbers in the thousands.

Biden got 81 million votes, which is 7 million more than Trump in 2020, and 2024.  No one has gotten so many votes as Biden in US history, which is the elephant in the room.  Biden has never been popular. 

It's like the post of the OP asks:  Where did votes come from, and where did they go?

[Neighbor]

On 11/27/2024 at 6:24 PM, Sparks said:

Too bad your side lost even with dead voters helping with their votes, but don't worry, California is still counting and will count until they win, whether or not the votes are real.

 

Hi,  You so misunderstand! I bailed out of California decades ago. Back when both Dems and Reps were making it a mess.

I have voted a straight Republican ticket  for over half a century with one exception. Now I find there to be  very little  bottomline difference or advantage for me in results between either entity of the duopoly.

But: tax laws that have come about under Republican controlled government has hurt me personally slightly more than the Dems have managed to do. President Trump's covid policies really  hurt, almost put our industrial tenants out of business.

Fortunately I am now out of businesses myself, yet  only to find our  2025 SS retirement income will be halved as Medicare premiums are means tested, and a one time long term capital gain  is counted as regular income. Wow surprise, for nearly one half will be cut from 2025 SS retirement income, and the year hasn't even started.

Pay State income tax and federal income and capital gains tax then find yet another surprise, a further  confiscation of moneys earned over years of hard work building a business.

Oh well we will all own nothing and be happy. Seems to be the plan anyway,  eh? It's all just a reminder that our hope certain is not in any man  or system of mankind. It is in Jesus alone.