Before the Wrath

[BornAgain490]

18 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

The bride of Christ is the Church not Israel. Ephesians 5:24,Ephesians 5:25-27

The bride of Christ and the church refers to the same thing, namely:  the total of every faithful Jew and every faithful Gentile from every generation. 

Paul makes this point very clear in Galatians 3:7, "they which be of faith, the same are the children of Abraham", and 3:9,"they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham", and 3:26, "for you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus", and 3:28-29, "there is neither Jew nor Greek ... for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you be Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."  

Paul continues to confirm that Jews and Gentiles make up one body when he writes, "we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise."  Gal. 4:28.  And further writes,  "neither circumcision avails anything, nor uncircumscion, but a new creature." Gal. 6:15. 

Paul finishes his benediction after proclaiming that all Jews and Gentiles are one body of believers in Christ Jesus, that this one body of believers is the "Israel of God." Galatians 6:16. 

[Marilyn C]

15 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

2 Corinthians 4:4: "In their case the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers, to keep them from seeing the light of the gospel of the glory of Christ, who is the image of God"

And that tells us ?

The glory of Christ - He is who we will be like, not some female.

`...when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. ` (1 John 3: 2)

[Marilyn C]

14 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

You've already acknowledged them in a quote. They're five posting above your request. I added some color and some notes.

Stay cool sis. Its not a sin to be wrong. Ask me. I've had to revise my belief often in the past 45 years.

There are no scriptures from Kwik only MM. And it is a sin to keep accusing someone falsely. I`m cool but am adamant not to be accused or misaligned. 

[Marilyn C]

15 minutes ago, BornAgain490 said:

The bride of Christ and the church refers to the same thing, namely:  the total of every faithful Jew and every faithful Gentile from every generation. 

Paul makes this point very clear in Galatians 3:7, "they which be of faith, the same are the children of Abraham", and 3:9,"they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham", and 3:26, "for you are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus", and 3:28-29, "there is neither Jew nor Greek ... for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you be Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise."  

Paul continues to confirm that Jews and Gentiles make up one body when he writes, "we, brethren, as Isaac was, are children of promise."  Gal. 4:28.  And further writes,  "neither circumcision avails anything, nor uncircumscion, but a new creature." Gal. 6:15. 

Paul finishes his benediction after proclaiming that all Jews and Gentiles are one body of believers in Christ Jesus, that this one body of believers is the "Israel of God." Galatians 6:16. 

Hi BornAgain,

You are referring to the BODY of Christ in those scriptures. Look at the Old Testament there are many scriptures about Israel being the bride.

[Marilyn C]

BRIDE

Isaiah 49:18
Lift up thine eyes round about, and behold: all these gather themselves together, and come to thee. As I live, saith the LORD, thou shalt surely clothe thee with them all, as with an ornament, and bind them on thee, as a bride doeth.

Isaiah 61:10
I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

Isaiah 62:5
For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.
 

1For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth.

2And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

3Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the LORD, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God.

4Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.

5For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.

6I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, which shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the LORD, keep not silence,

7And give him no rest, till he establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth.

8The LORD hath sworn by his right hand, and by the arm of his strength, Surely I will no more give thy corn to be meat for thine enemies; and the sons of the stranger shall not drink thy wine, for the which thou hast laboured:

9But they that have gathered it shall eat it, and praise the LORD; and they that have brought it together shall drink it in the courts of my holiness.

10Go through, go through the gates; prepare ye the way of the people; cast up, cast up the highway; gather out the stones; lift up a standard for the people.

11Behold, the LORD hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.

12And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the LORD: and thou shalt be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken.

Jeremiah 2:32
Can a maid forget her ornaments, or a bride her attire? yet my people have forgotten me days without number.

Jeremiah 7:34
Then will I cause to cease from the cities of Judah, and from the streets of Jerusalem, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride: for the land shall be desolate.

Jeremiah 16:9
For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will cause to cease out of this place in your eyes, and in your days, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride.

Jeremiah 25:10
Moreover I will take from them the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones, and the light of the candle.

Jeremiah 33:11
The voice of joy, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the voice of them that shall say, Praise the LORD of hosts: for the LORD is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: and of them that shall bring the sacrifice of praise into the house of the LORD. For I will cause to return the captivity of the land, as at the first, saith the LORD.
 

Joel 2:16
Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.

John 3:29
He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

Revelation 18:23
And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Revelation 21:2
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Revelation 21:9
And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

10And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

11Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

12And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

 

Revelation 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.





 

 

[missmuffet]

9 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

And that tells us ?

The glory of Christ - He is who we will be like, not some female.

`...when He is revealed, we shall be like Him, for we shall see Him as He is. ` (1 John 3: 2)

Female? Where do you get that from?

[AdHoc]

35 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

There are no scriptures from Kwik only MM. And it is a sin to keep accusing someone falsely. I`m cool but am adamant not to be accused or misaligned. 

I think you meant "maligned". I see no maligning. I see a difference of opinion as to commentary on the Word of God. One thinks  of half a page and another thinks half a sentence. But I'm happy to bow out right here. Thanks for the exchange. Go well.

[missmuffet]

God divorced Israel because Israel proved to be an unfaithful spouse.

Jeremiah 3:8-10

 Then I saw that for all the causes for which backsliding Israel had committed adultery, I had put her away and given her a certificate of divorce; yet her treacherous sister Judah did not fear, but went and played the harlot also. ⁹ So it came to pass, through her casual harlotry, that she defiled the land and committed adultery with stones and trees. ¹⁰ And yet for all this her treacherous sister Judah has not turned to Me with her whole heart, but in pretense,” says the Lord.

 

[AdHoc]

10 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

BRIDE

Isaiah 49:18
Lift up thine eyes round about, and behold: all these gather themselves together, and come to thee. As I live, saith the LORD, thou shalt surely clothe thee with them all, as with an ornament, and bind them on thee, as a bride doeth.

Isaiah 61:10
I will greatly rejoice in the LORD, my soul shall be joyful in my God; for he hath clothed me with the garments of salvation, he hath covered me with the robe of righteousness, as a bridegroom decketh himself with ornaments, and as a bride adorneth herself with her jewels.

Isaiah 62:5
For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.
 

1For Zion's sake will I not hold my peace, and for Jerusalem's sake I will not rest, until the righteousness thereof go forth as brightness, and the salvation thereof as a lamp that burneth.

2And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name.

3Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the LORD, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God.

4Thou shalt no more be termed Forsaken; neither shall thy land any more be termed Desolate: but thou shalt be called Hephzibah, and thy land Beulah: for the LORD delighteth in thee, and thy land shall be married.

5For as a young man marrieth a virgin, so shall thy sons marry thee: and as the bridegroom rejoiceth over the bride, so shall thy God rejoice over thee.

6I have set watchmen upon thy walls, O Jerusalem, which shall never hold their peace day nor night: ye that make mention of the LORD, keep not silence,

7And give him no rest, till he establish, and till he make Jerusalem a praise in the earth.

8The LORD hath sworn by his right hand, and by the arm of his strength, Surely I will no more give thy corn to be meat for thine enemies; and the sons of the stranger shall not drink thy wine, for the which thou hast laboured:

9But they that have gathered it shall eat it, and praise the LORD; and they that have brought it together shall drink it in the courts of my holiness.

10Go through, go through the gates; prepare ye the way of the people; cast up, cast up the highway; gather out the stones; lift up a standard for the people.

11Behold, the LORD hath proclaimed unto the end of the world, Say ye to the daughter of Zion, Behold, thy salvation cometh; behold, his reward is with him, and his work before him.

12And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the LORD: and thou shalt be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken.

Jeremiah 2:32
Can a maid forget her ornaments, or a bride her attire? yet my people have forgotten me days without number.

Jeremiah 7:34
Then will I cause to cease from the cities of Judah, and from the streets of Jerusalem, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride: for the land shall be desolate.

Jeremiah 16:9
For thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will cause to cease out of this place in your eyes, and in your days, the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride.

Jeremiah 25:10
Moreover I will take from them the voice of mirth, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the sound of the millstones, and the light of the candle.

Jeremiah 33:11
The voice of joy, and the voice of gladness, the voice of the bridegroom, and the voice of the bride, the voice of them that shall say, Praise the LORD of hosts: for the LORD is good; for his mercy endureth for ever: and of them that shall bring the sacrifice of praise into the house of the LORD. For I will cause to return the captivity of the land, as at the first, saith the LORD.
 

Joel 2:16
Gather the people, sanctify the congregation, assemble the elders, gather the children, and those that suck the breasts: let the bridegroom go forth of his chamber, and the bride out of her closet.

John 3:29
He that hath the bride is the bridegroom: but the friend of the bridegroom, which standeth and heareth him, rejoiceth greatly because of the bridegroom's voice: this my joy therefore is fulfilled.

Revelation 18:23
And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.

Revelation 21:2
And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

Revelation 21:9
And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come hither, I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb's wife.

10And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,

11Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;

12And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:

 

Revelation 22:17
And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.





 

 

Your Old Testament quotes ALL make "the Lord" the husband. "The Lord" in the Old Testament is JAHWEH. We talk of the Bride of CHRIST.

How can you produce New Jerusalem as Israel? They are the Gates. The city has as its foundation 12 APOSTLES. New Jerusalem is a Tabernacle. The gates of the Tabernacle were not part of the structure. You have misrepresented New Jerusalem.

I have shown BOTH your Old Testament references and your New Testament verses to be invalid.

John 3:29 speaks of DISCIPLES. John, who was born to a woman, had disciples. They were not the bride. John is contrasted with the "least of the Kingdom". To ENTER  the Kingdom one had to be born of the Spirit. That means that John remained a Jew and not a member of the New Man. I declare your proof as invalid, but go even further. The disciples of Jesus were declared by John himself to be the Bride. Israel are certainly not the disciples of Jesus.

But you somehow forgot to tell us that God (JAHWEH) DIVORCED Israel for whoring. What say you to the Law which says that once you have divorced a woman and she has gone to another, remarriage is forbidden?

[Marilyn C]

31 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Female? Where do you get that from?

Bride - female.