every 4 years

[Neighbor]

7 hours ago, Cyoder said:

I would make it a million dollar fine to hire anyone who is here illegally.  It encourages them to come here and ended up causing a record amount of human trafficking.  The amount of human suffering the Biden administration caused with open borders is incredible.

Well the issue predates Biden goes back at least as far as 2000, likely further. As to a fine there was serious liability risk from both government and private parties if one challenged the legally of a prospective employee. One had to accept their information at face value and then wait for the day that the government sent  a notice to fire the person immediately or face a $1500 a day  fine.

So very weird, might take a year, two, or much longer and then one day would come the notice.

Going  to get very interesting  when there  suddenly are no laborers to construct highways, keep up city landscape, prepare food at restaurants, stock grocery stores, work warehouses, drive trucks, make beds at hotels, and clean schools, hospitals, businesses plus churches.

[ayin jade]

26 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

Well the issue predates Biden goes back at least as far as 2000, likely further. As to a fine there was serious liability risk from both government and private parties if one challenged the legally of a prospective employee. One had to accept their information at face value and then wait for the day that the government sent  a notice to fire the person immediately or face a $1500 a day  fine.

So very weird, might take a year, two, or much longer and then one day would come the notice.

Going  to get very interesting  when there  suddenly are no laborers to construct highways, keep up city landscape, prepare food at restaurants, stock grocery stores, work warehouses, drive trucks, make beds at hotels, and clean schools, hospitals, businesses plus churches.

Az has a large amount of hispanics who migrated .... most illegally ..... from mexico. Yet there are many non hispanics doing landscaping, hotel work, stocking grocery stores, cleaning, driving trucks, making food, constructing buildings and highways etc. We do not need illegals to do these tasks. It is just proproganda by the media that claims they do jobs americans wont do. I even picked fruit for a farmer for money, just like any laborer in the fields.

[Jedi4Yahweh]

13 hours ago, Neighbor said:

Without them our church's restrooms would not get tended to at all.

That is a pretty degrading view of immigrants.  You do know that many immigrants are doctors, lawyers, professors, leaders in communities and government.  Not all immigrants are restroom works and fruit pickers.  Yes, illegal immigrants may fill many of those roles due to their illegal status.  So lets differentiate between legal immigrants from those who have illegally entered and are working illegally and taking advantage of jobs, welfare, schools, social, health services that tax payers are funding.

[Neighbor]

On 11/16/2024 at 6:02 PM, Jedi4Yahweh said:

You do know that many immigrants are doctors, lawyers, professors, leaders in communities and government. 

Hi, Having contracted with cleaning companies and also  hiring individuals and doing the work myself  too, I do not find it degrading at all. Honest work is simply not degrading!

I once hired a husband wife team from Soviet Georgia that worked nights cleaning including some 45 toilet stalls and hallways, He was a medical doctor! He, due to his immigration status, could not do the professional  work he was trained to do, as  a doctor, in the USA. He was appreciative of his standing, literally standing in the USA feeding himself and his wife. 

All the contracted crews  from well known cleaning  companies were undocumented. They worked hard and well.  Their pay started at $15 an hour.

When I had openings and we had unemployed native born individuals within the church body those individuals would refuse the work to feed their families till they found work  back in their own field of work. At the time I was paying 17 dollars an hour. They would rather go hungry before working "beneath their station in life". So praise God for the  undocumented  hard working individuals that do step up gladly to do the very necessary work of cleaning.

Though I was technically a "facilities director" there were many a time I was  the hands on janitor  in order to have a clean church  and school facility. Never found it degrading, just hard work .In fact I had to undergo several  "classes" and get various certificates from the State via the local health department in order to keep the school qualified to pass it's twice a year health inspection. I did what was necessary to fulfill what God had placed before me as a task in order to keep facilities acceptable. Wasn't degradng at all.

[Neighbor]

9 hours ago, ayin jade said:

I even picked fruit for a farmer for money, just like any laborer in the fields.

 Hi,

Me too as a child and then as a young teen. I'd ride the back of a station wagon  out of the inner city  to the rural farm and pick mostly carrots. That though was in the 1950's.  As a young  family man I would glean the  fields behind my home too.

Today native born  or  even legal migrants simply are not plentiful enough to tend the fields.  It has of course become more and more mechanized.

Depending upon the level of migration enforcement the crops either get picked, or else the corps end up rotting in the fields with the only crops being picked as U Pick it opportunities that a few old geezers like myself might do. Then the fields get plowed over, eventually the lands get sold, and become parking lots, strip malls, and little pink houses for you and me.

Now when we have supposed "changing climate" related  rains,  we flood out and wonder- what happened, never did that before, and  look the parking lots are all under water my house is about to flood too-

Like the song laments - they paved over paradise and put up a parking lot.

Take care God bless. Take careful care and  the Lord will bless, always has anyway.

[Neighbor]

Anyway, it is going to get very interesting if and when people very soon  from now start being rounded up, put in  camps, till they  and the problem for us  that they are is done away with by deportation of some sort. The problem solved, finally!  

I guess "we" will be feeding them at those camps, right? And educating their young while they are there, right?

And by the way  who is going to  do the work they were doing before being  sent to "Camp Grenada"?

Going to be fun time for all, eh? Lock em up, lock em up put them on a bus, Lock 'em up lock 'em up put them on a freight train, lock 'em up lock 'em up put them on a plane.

There it's all better now! Just us, and lots of elbow room.

And look at that long, long fence, beautiful! See only butterflies get over that, we are safe now. Locked them out for sure and certain, or is it locked ourselves in?

There is something about a wall; "Something there is that doesn’t love a wall," .... quoting Robert Frost

 

Incoming!

 

[Michael37]

On 11/15/2024 at 6:45 AM, Ghostdog said:

americans threaten to move to canada. we have to sometimng to tell you: please stop threating to move here

There's been a big spike in Americans scoping out a move to New Zealand. 

One important fact they should know:

The Māori sovereignty movement, also known as Tino Rangatiratanga, is a significant and enduring aspect of New Zealand's political and cultural landscape.

This movement advocates for the recognition and restoration of Māori self-determination and sovereignty, which many Māori believe was never ceded to the British Crown.

The roots of this movement can be traced back to the signing of the Treaty of Waitangi in 1840. The treaty, which was intended to establish a legal framework for the relationship between Māori and the British Crown, has been a source of contention due to differing interpretations of its terms. The Māori version of the treaty promised "tino rangatiratanga" or "full chieftainship" over their lands and taonga (treasures), while the English version ceded sovereignty to the Crown.

Over the years, the movement has gained momentum through various forms of activism, legal challenges, and political engagement. One notable aspect is the Kīngitanga or Māori King movement, established in 1858 to unite Māori under a single sovereign. This movement continues to play a vital role in advocating for Māori rights and sovereignty.

The Māori sovereignty movement has also seen the resurgence of symbols such as the flag of the United Tribes of New Zealand, known as Te Kara, which represents Māori independence and sovereignty.

Hīkoi mō te Tiriti: Significant disruption expected when thousands converge on capital | RNZ News

[Neighbor]

Hi  and thanks.

 One of my own offspring loves New Zealand has been there  several visits. Mostly for the challenges of bungee jumping, and surfing. I'm strictly  a USA homebody that goes from coast to coast to coast, while my family are travelers and do consider emigrating, some have gone expatriate already.

Kind of funny,  people are busting  down the fences to get in, while others are going to where those busting in came from! But the whole of the world's human population is on the move it seems to me. 

 It is not just the USA, there is unrest and emigration along with immigration most everywhere. Might that be Biblical, a sign in the time of the signs? ???

[Michael37]

10 minutes ago, Michael37 said:

The Māori sovereignty movement, also known as Tino Rangatiratanga, is a significant and enduring aspect of New Zealand's political and cultural landscape.

The two prominent Māori flags are:

1. Tino Rangatiratanga Flag: This flag symbolizes Māori self-determination and sovereignty. It features a black, white, and red design with a koru (spiral) pattern, representing the unfolding of new life and the continuous process of renewal.

2. United Tribes of New Zealand Flag: Also known as Te Kara, this flag was chosen by northern Māori chiefs in 1834 as a symbol of their collective identity and independence. It has a blue background with a red cross and four white stars.

These flags hold significant cultural and historical importance for Māori, representing their identity, unity, and aspirations.

 

[Neighbor]

What might self determination and  sovereignty  manifest itself as at New Zealand?Might it include  segregation, a separate land mass titled to the groups; as is the case in the USA with sovereign nation treaties with some native American Indian  tribes?