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1 hour ago, enoob57 said:

not to jump to conclusions could you expound on this a bit more?

From my phone, relaxing outside on a sunny day, I can briefly mention that once Lucifer sought to elevate himself in opposition to God, the die was cast for him to personify evil as Satan.

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21 hours ago, In the Clouds said:

I guess it's because I attend a through the Bible church.  I never get tired of The Word.  There's new aha moments and deeper understanding each time we go through it.

Shalom, @In the Clouds.

That's fine if one doesn't relegate everything one reads in the Bible as an allegory. Not much in the Bible is supposed to be allegorically interpreted. Most of the Bible IS supposed to be interpreted literally, or at least with a grammatical/historical interpretation. These were two very literal trees in Gan-`Eden. They were told about the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, but they were NOT told about the Tree of Life.It's in the account, but we never read that they knew there where the Tree of Life or even wt they knew there WAS a "Tree of Life!" The "contest" was simply this: Could they eat of every tree without eating from the forbidden tree?

I also believe that there was nothing magical about the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil. I think it was named that way ironically! The irony was this: before they ate from the Tree, they were good and God was good. AFTER they ate from it they KNEW that "God was Good," and that "they were Evil!" How's that for a Tree that gives "the Knowledge of Good and Evil?"

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I have always believed in the literal Bible unless it specifically states, *This is a parable or metaphor.  In prophetic scripture translations don't always have a way to describe it or teach with their understanding.   But I believe and understand the Word to be true.  And as truth is revealed we understand Him.


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1 hour ago, In the Clouds said:

I have always believed in the literal Bible unless it specifically states, *This is a parable or metaphor.  In prophetic scripture translations don't always have a way to describe it or teach with their understanding.   But I believe and understand the Word to be true.  And as truth is revealed we understand Him.

Shalom, @In the Clouds.

Good! That's encouraging to hear, but be careful how you treat "prophetic scripture." After all, over 400 prophecies about the Messiah were LITERALLY FULFILLED in His First Advent - His First Coming.

One shouldn't be surprised to find that the rest of the Messianic prophecies will also be fulfilled quite literally when He returns or when He comes in His Second Advent - His Second Coming.

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On 11/17/2024 at 8:27 PM, In the Clouds said:

I guess it's because I attend a through the Bible church.  I never get tired of The Word.  There's new aha moments and deeper understanding each time we go through it.

Fair enough, but did you watch the video? 


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On 11/18/2024 at 1:37 AM, Neighbor said:

Well it is a challenge, a challenge  (for me) to learn, a challenge to review what I think I know. I do love the challenge(s)  for it/they get me to digging into  my Bible(s) and commentaries.

As I link all the references to THE tree of Life and A tree of life  that are in the Bible, once again I don't see but presumption that man, the man, ever actually ate of THE tree of life.

I am looking again at what others have said, including thoughts in sermons by Rev. Spurgeon,  John Piper, John MacArthur, Zola Levitt, and still looking for more.

A question that has always been in my mind is: If God prevented  the eating from The tree of life once the man and wo-man were in a fallen state because they would be like them, and live forever as they do. Then why didn't the man  already become like them before his fall and live forever?

So I an enjoying looking at it once again!

 

Well, whether or not they ate from the Tree of Life, the fact that God said, “You may eat freely from every tree of the garden," except for the TOTKOGAE by default means that the TOL was included in the fruit they were allowed to eat. Do you disagree?

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"once again I don't see but presumption that man, the man, ever actually ate of THE tree of life."

If you are presuming that eating the Tree of Life is a one time affair, and that is all you need, then it means they never partook of it. But, if eating of the Tree of Life is meant to be continuous (i.e. being renewed day by day), then it is possible they did eat of it. What represents our life with Jesus better - a one and done, or a continual feasting?

Either way, The TOL was included in the trees they were allowed to eat of, whether they ate of it or not.


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17 minutes ago, nebula said:

Do you disagree?

 

Disagree? No , I am simply curious. For in English transliterations anyway there is appears to be  much room for variant understandings. How much room for variant understandings exist for the rest of the premise(s) shared within the under five minute video I  haven't even begun to research for my own use.

BUT  I do so enjoy little snippets being  built into a theme of sorts, as that does lead me to reading the word of God and looking at what  scholars have concluded if anything.

Scholars being those  well educated Christians that do have capacity to read  the word in the original languages doing so with  Holy Spirit inspired/led understanding.


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3 hours ago, nebula said:

Fair enough, but did you watch the video? 

Yes, I watched the video.  I don't always; but, I did that one.


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I'm actually still chewing on the main points in that video - a renewed appreciation that Christ is the Tree of Life!  And the clear way this is presented in a short video - very impactful!

Some verses coming to me:

"I came that they might have life, and have it more abundantly!"

"In Him was life and the life was the light of men."

"I am the way, the truth and the life."

"These things are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the son of God, and in believing, you might have life in His name."

"I am the vine and you are the branches."

"In the middle of the street . . . was the tree of life."

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4 hours ago, Vine Abider said:

I'm actually still chewing on the main points in that video - a renewed appreciation that Christ is the Tree of Life!  And the clear way this is presented in a short video - very impactful!

Some verses coming to me:

"I came that they might have life, and have it more abundantly!"

"In Him was life and the life was the light of men."

"I am the way, the truth and the life."

"These things are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the son of God, and in believing, you might have life in His name."

"I am the vine and you are the branches."

"In the middle of the street . . . was the tree of life."

I was just going to post that too. Only in Christ is there life. The whole garden picture is a symbolic drama. 

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