WHAT YEARS CAN THE RESURRECTION/RAPTURE HAPPEN

[JoeCanada]

                                                         WHAT YEARS CAN THE RESURRECTION/RAPTURE HAPPEN

 

According to the Torah, the resurrection/rapture (R/R) can only happen in select years. In other years, it can’t happen. In certain years, the resurrection of the righteous dead is prohibited by law, the very law God gave to Moses … and God will not break His own laws.

We are talking about the law(s) of the harvests.

Revelation 3:3 says “if we don’t wake up and repent He will come like a thief”. It’s conditional, meaning if we do wake up and repent, He won’t come like a thief.

The Day of Yom Teru’ah or the Day of (remembering) the Trumpets is the day or hour that no man knows and it is integral to the harvest cycle. The R/R is a harvest. Matt 13:39 states that the harvest is the end of the age and the harvesters are the angels.

God runs everything according to His clock which is the harvest cycle. Every year has its sowing and reaping period. Sowing begins in the fall and crops come to maturity in the spring. This reaping season officially begins at First Fruits following Passover and lasts through the fall … and this continues yearly.

Gods appointed times … Mo'ed, are set by the harvest guide.

There is a time when reaping is allowed and when it is not. One harvest has already occurred, which was Yeshua, as a first fruits. The next is the main harvest when Yeshua returns for His own. This harvest is referred to in Rev 14:14-16 in which the wheat is gathered and put into the barn and the tares are thrown into the winepress of the Wrath of God. Then … the final gleanings harvest that follows the Millennium Kingdom. This concludes the harvests that Paul describes in 1 Cor 15.

John the Baptist spoke of Jesus when He comes back as having a winnowing fork in His hands. A winnowing fork is a harvesting tool that is used to separate the wheat from the tares.

The R/R in multiple places throughout Scripture is related to God’s harvest laws, the Hebraic Harvest. The harvest cycle is made up of “shabua” or weeks of years. This is a grouping of 7 years that ends with a Sabbatical year or a Shemitah year.

Each year, the harvest cycle begins on the 1^st day of the 7^th month, or Yom Teru’ah … and ends on the last day of the 6^th month the following year. Six years you may sow your fields and six years you may prune your vineyard and gather its produce. So for these 6 years, beginning on Yom Teru’ah, sewing and reaping are permitted. The 7^th year is a Sabbatical year in which the land is to rest … sowing and reaping are not permitted.

Then every 49 years there is a Jubilee Year. In Lev 25:8-11 it says … “You shall count off 7 Sabbaths of years, 7 Sabbaths of years amount to 49 years. Then you are to sound the horn far and wide. On the 10^th day of the 7^th month the day of Atonement, you shall sound it throughout your land. You are to consecrate the 50^th year and proclaim liberty in the land for all its inhabitants … it shall be your Jubilee when each of you is to return to his property and to his clan. The 50^th will be a Jubilee for you and you are not to seed the field or reap its after growth or harvest its untended vines … for it is a Jubilee. It shall be holy to you.

Every 49 years there are 2 years in a row where sowing and reaping are not permitted. God equates the gathering of His own to a harvest. Matt 13:39 … “the harvest is the end of the age and the angels are the reapers” … God will not break His established laws.

So we can rule out the Sabbatical year and the Jubilee year as the time to harvest the earth.

If our “gathering to the Lord” is a harvest, which Jesus says it is, then the timing needs to follow the harvest laws established by God.

The 70 weeks of Daniel is a specific grouping of 7 years in Gods harvest cycle. The final week of years is preceded by a Sabbatical year (the end of the 69^th week) and ends with a Sabbatical year followed by a Jubilee year. No sowing or reaping can occur in these years. The gathering of the harvest can only occur during non-Sabbatical or Jubilee years.

Do you see the implications of this?

This completely eliminates the post tribulation rapture because somewhere in those last 2 years is where a post-trib rapture would have to take place.

It also eliminates the year before the beginning of the 70^th week for a pre-trib rapture (because it’s a Sabbatical year of the 69^th week) Now, a pre-trib rapture could theoretically still happen before the 70^th week, but it would have to happen a full year before the start of the 70^th week.

This radically changes our theories of the resurrection and rapture.

If we follow Gods laws for the harvest cycle, we are left with a final 6 month window that the harvest at the end of the age can occur. We’re gathered at the Trumpet blast on Yom Teru’ah, closing the harvest window … and beginning Gods wrath in the Sabbatical year.

This would leave a biblical one year and 10 day period to the beginning of the Messianic Kingdom in the following year of Jubilee on Yom Kippur. This is the same time frame that Noah and his family were protected from the totality of Gods wrath from the flood, in the ark. This one year and ten days is the time that God deals with the wicked and unrepentant.

This would place our gathering just prior to Gods wrath at the end of the 6^th year of the 70^th week.

To say otherwise is saying that God won’t honor the Harvest laws that He put in place.

[missmuffet]

41 minutes ago, JoeCanada said:

                                                         WHAT YEARS CAN THE RESURRECTION/RAPTURE HAPPEN

 

According to the Torah, the resurrection/rapture (R/R) can only happen in select years. In other years, it can’t happen. In certain years, the resurrection of the righteous dead is prohibited by law, the very law God gave to Moses … and God will not break His own laws.

We are talking about the law(s) of the harvests.

Revelation 3:3 says “if we don’t wake up and repent He will come like a thief”. It’s conditional, meaning if we do wake up and repent, He won’t come like a thief.

The Day of Yom Teru’ah or the Day of (remembering) the Trumpets is the day or hour that no man knows and it is integral to the harvest cycle. The R/R is a harvest. Matt 13:39 states that the harvest is the end of the age and the harvesters are the angels.

God runs everything according to His clock which is the harvest cycle. Every year has its sowing and reaping period. Sowing begins in the fall and crops come to maturity in the spring. This reaping season officially begins at First Fruits following Passover and lasts through the fall … and this continues yearly.

Gods appointed times … Mo'ed, are set by the harvest guide.

There is a time when reaping is allowed and when it is not. One harvest has already occurred, which was Yeshua, as a first fruits. The next is the main harvest when Yeshua returns for His own. This harvest is referred to in Rev 14:14-16 in which the wheat is gathered and put into the barn and the tares are thrown into the winepress of the Wrath of God. Then … the final gleanings harvest that follows the Millennium Kingdom. This concludes the harvests that Paul describes in 1 Cor 15.

John the Baptist spoke of Jesus when He comes back as having a winnowing fork in His hands. A winnowing fork is a harvesting tool that is used to separate the wheat from the tares.

The R/R in multiple places throughout Scripture is related to God’s harvest laws, the Hebraic Harvest. The harvest cycle is made up of “shabua” or weeks of years. This is a grouping of 7 years that ends with a Sabbatical year or a Shemitah year.

Each year, the harvest cycle begins on the 1^st day of the 7^th month, or Yom Teru’ah … and ends on the last day of the 6^th month the following year. Six years you may sow your fields and six years you may prune your vineyard and gather its produce. So for these 6 years, beginning on Yom Teru’ah, sewing and reaping are permitted. The 7^th year is a Sabbatical year in which the land is to rest … sowing and reaping are not permitted.

Then every 49 years there is a Jubilee Year. In Lev 25:8-11 it says … “You shall count off 7 Sabbaths of years, 7 Sabbaths of years amount to 49 years. Then you are to sound the horn far and wide. On the 10^th day of the 7^th month the day of Atonement, you shall sound it throughout your land. You are to consecrate the 50^th year and proclaim liberty in the land for all its inhabitants … it shall be your Jubilee when each of you is to return to his property and to his clan. The 50^th will be a Jubilee for you and you are not to seed the field or reap its after growth or harvest its untended vines … for it is a Jubilee. It shall be holy to you.

Every 49 years there are 2 years in a row where sowing and reaping are not permitted. God equates the gathering of His own to a harvest. Matt 13:39 … “the harvest is the end of the age and the angels are the reapers” … God will not break His established laws.

So we can rule out the Sabbatical year and the Jubilee year as the time to harvest the earth.

If our “gathering to the Lord” is a harvest, which Jesus says it is, then the timing needs to follow the harvest laws established by God.

The 70 weeks of Daniel is a specific grouping of 7 years in Gods harvest cycle. The final week of years is preceded by a Sabbatical year (the end of the 69^th week) and ends with a Sabbatical year followed by a Jubilee year. No sowing or reaping can occur in these years. The gathering of the harvest can only occur during non-Sabbatical or Jubilee years.

Do you see the implications of this?

This completely eliminates the post tribulation rapture because somewhere in those last 2 years is where a post-trib rapture would have to take place.

It also eliminates the year before the beginning of the 70^th week for a pre-trib rapture (because it’s a Sabbatical year of the 69^th week) Now, a pre-trib rapture could theoretically still happen before the 70^th week, but it would have to happen a full year before the start of the 70^th week.

This radically changes our theories of the resurrection and rapture.

If we follow Gods laws for the harvest cycle, we are left with a final 6 month window that the harvest at the end of the age can occur. We’re gathered at the Trumpet blast on Yom Teru’ah, closing the harvest window … and beginning Gods wrath in the Sabbatical year.

This would leave a biblical one year and 10 day period to the beginning of the Messianic Kingdom in the following year of Jubilee on Yom Kippur. This is the same time frame that Noah and his family were protected from the totality of Gods wrath from the flood, in the ark. This one year and ten days is the time that God deals with the wicked and unrepentant.

This would place our gathering just prior to Gods wrath at the end of the 6^th year of the 70^th week.

To say otherwise is saying that God won’t honor the Harvest laws that He put in place.

No one knows on this earth. Dating is not biblical.

[JoeCanada]

1 hour ago, missmuffet said:

No one knows on this earth. Dating is not biblical.

So .... who's setting dates?

This article is about God's harvest laws as set out in Leviticus 25..... and how we can apply that to Daniel's 70th week .... so we are not unawares.

But there are those who walk about claiming Jesus can return at any moment ... like ... now .... or ... now.

Balderdash!

[DeighAnn]

1 hour ago, JoeCanada said:

There is a time when reaping is allowed and when it is not. One harvest has already occurred, which was Yeshua, as a first fruits. The next is the main harvest when Yeshua returns for His own. This harvest is referred to in Rev 14:14-16 in which the wheat is gathered and put into the barn and the tares are thrown into the winepress of the Wrath of God. Then … the final gleanings harvest that follows the Millennium Kingdom. This concludes the harvests that Paul describes in 1 Cor 15.

Sorry so long, I just can't ever seem to figure out what isn't important so I can get rid of it...anyway I have a few things I would like to hear your perspective on...

If the dead don't rise...doesn't that tell us that there were MORE than just Christ that rose at that time? 

Where do you think these people/souls/angels went after they were resurrected from the dead?
 
50Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. 51And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; 52And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many. 54Now when the centurion, and they that were with him, watching Jesus, saw the earthquake, and those things that were done, they feared greatly, saying, Truly this was the Son of God.

Surely 'the captivity led captive' was led to heaven and not back to the grave... Eph 4 

7But unto every one of us is given grace according to the measure of the gift of Christ.

8Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.

9(Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth? 10He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)

Each however in the own order, the firstfruit Christ, then those of Christ at the coming of Him

2398 idios - own, private, personal, peculiar
Meaning: one's own, belonging to one, private, personal; one's own people, one's own family, home, property.

HELPS Word-studies
2398 ídios (a primitive word, NAS dictionary) – properly, uniquely one's own, peculiar to the individual. 2398 /ídios ("uniquely one's own") is "stronger than the simple possessive pronoun ('own'). This emphatic adjective means 'private, personal' " (WS, 222).


5001 tagma - Order, rank, division, an ordered series.
HELPS Word-studies
Cognate: 5001 tágma (a neuter noun) – an ordered arrangement, reflecting God's perfect wisdom in ordering all of creation


The 'own' and 'order' are given as 'singular' and the 'those' are given as plural.  I copy and pasted the verse where Jesus says " I will come again, and receive you unto Myself; that where I am, there ye may be also."

I have not been able to find a place when speaking of the 'souls in heaven' where they DON'T HAVE BODIES.  Could you point me to one?  And what do you do with those who ARE in their SPIRITUAL bodies when Christ returns?  Do they go 'into the grave' so they can resurrect with the 'dead' when He returns?  Wouldn't that be 'decay/corruption inheriting incorruption' and aren't we told that doesn't happen?  

For the 'those' at His return, doesn't He send out angels to gather them?  Doesn't that seem to be different than 'unto Myself'?  



Rev 17:14
These with the Lamb war will make, and the Lamb will overcome them because Lord of lords He is, and King of kings and those with Him [are] called and chosen and faithful


Rev 19:11
11And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. 12His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself. 13And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. 14And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. 15And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. 16And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.


Rev 6:9
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


Rev 22
8And I John saw these things, and heard them. And when I had heard and seen, I fell down to worship before the feet of the angel which shewed me these things. 9Then saith he unto me, See thou do it not: for I am thy fellowservant, and of thy brethren the prophets, and of them which keep the sayings of this book: worship God.


John 11:23
Jesus saith unto her, Thy brother shall rise again. 24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day. 25 Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: 26And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this? 


 

John 13:31
Therefore, when he was gone out, Jesus said, Now is the Son of man glorified, and God is glorified in him. 32If God be glorified in him, God shall also glorify him in himself, and shall straightway glorify him. 33Little children, yet a little while I am with you. Ye shall seek me: and as I said unto the Jews, Whither I go, ye cannot come; so now I say to you. 34A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another. 35By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.

36Simon Peter said unto him, Lord, whither goest thou? Jesus answered him, Whither I go, thou canst not follow me now; but thou shalt follow me afterwards.


(36 reads this way in the Greek with 190 - akoloutheó: To follow, to accompany, not to wait to be resurrected when HE RETURNS.  John 13:36 Says to Him Simon Peter, Lord, where go You?  Answered him Jesus, Where I go, not you are able Me now to follow: you will follow however afterward.  Surely that was because Simon Peter wasn't going to die before or at the time of the crucifixion, so he would have to wait for his own death to FOLLOW Him.)  


37Peter said unto him, Lord, why cannot I follow thee now? I will lay down my life for thy sake. 38Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake? Verily, verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, till thou hast denied me thrice.

John 14:1
Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me. 2In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. 3And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also. 4And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.

5Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way? 6Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

1 Thess 4:13 
But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. 14For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him


2 Corinth 5:1
For we know that if our earthly house of this tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. 2For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: 3If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. 4For we that are in this tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. 5Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing is God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit.

6Therefore we are always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: 7(For we walk by faith, not by sight:) 8We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. 9Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. 10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

I don't know how I could be reading all these verses wrong when they all seem to simply say the same things relative to each other, although admittedly not seen nor understood this way by anyone else here.  But that's ok, Gods will be done.   

[farouk]

3 hours ago, missmuffet said:

No one knows on this earth. Dating is not biblical.

Hi @missmuffet I think a lot of damage has been done over the years by a lot of speculation............

[JoeCanada]

18 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

If the dead don't rise...doesn't that tell us that there were MORE than just Christ that rose at that time? 

Paul tells us in 1 Cor 15 .... if the dead don't rise, not even Christ has been raised and your faith is in vain.

Yes, there were more than Jesus that rose at the time of His resurrection. They went into the city and were witnesses to many. I think the same will happen to those who are resurrected at the last trumpet. They will appear to many still alive and they will be witnesses to unbelievers before they are caught up. 

This group are probably part of the "first fruits to God". I don't think that it was just Jesus by Himself.

28 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

I have not been able to find a place when speaking of the 'souls in heaven' where they DON'T HAVE BODIES.  Could you point me to one?  And what do you do with those who ARE in their SPIRITUAL bodies when Christ returns?  Do they go 'into the grave' so they can resurrect with the 'dead' when He returns?  Wouldn't that be 'decay/corruption inheriting incorruption' and aren't we told that doesn't happen?  

I believe that in Rev 6:9 they are speaking about the martyred "souls" under the altar. They are given white robes. But they aren't wearing them yet because they don't have bodies. They get bodies when Jesus brings them with Him at the resurrection/rapture at the 6th seal. 1 Thes 4:14 ... God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus.

Those in spiritual bodies when Christ returns? ..... They are those above who God brings with Jesus, then they are given resurrection bodies... 1 Cor 15:50

39 minutes ago, DeighAnn said:

For the 'those' at His return, doesn't He send out angels to gather them?  Doesn't that seem to be different than 'unto Myself'

I don't see it being different at all. Jesus is orchestrating the "gathering". He shouts the great shout ... and blows the great trumpet blast ...  and He sends out myriads and myriads of angels, all over the world to gather the faithful living and dead "unto His self". 

[missmuffet]

20 minutes ago, farouk said:

Hi @missmuffet I think a lot of damage has been done over the years by a lot of speculation............

There have even been Pastors who have set dates.

[farouk]

1 minute ago, missmuffet said:

There have even been Pastors who have set dates.

Important not to exceed one's brief as a preacher and expositor.........

[JoeCanada]

16 minutes ago, farouk said:

Hi @missmuffet I think a lot of damage has been done over the years by a lot of speculation............

Jesus says we can't know the day or hour ... and I totally agree.

Most people think this means that we can't know at all. That's just not true.

The 'day and hour' is in reference to the sighting of the new moon which could occur on either one of two days, and at any hour of the night. 

Matt 24:36 tells us .... "but of that day and hour no one knows"

What day? It's the day of the coming of the Son of Man.

The unrighteous will be caught unawares ... sudden destruction will come upon them.

But the righteous will not be caught unawares ....they aren't in darkness.

We can't know the day and hour .... but we can know the season, the month .... even the week, but not the day or hour.

[The Light]

5 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

                                                         WHAT YEARS CAN THE RESURRECTION/RAPTURE HAPPEN

The R/R is a harvest. Matt 13:39 states that the harvest is the end of the age and the harvesters are the angels.

Let me fix this. Matthew 13:39 states that "A" harvest is at the end of the age, and the harvesters are the angels.

In other words, the Lord himself does not come at the end of the age. The Lord Himself comes for His Church at the first harvest.  You are talking about the second harvest.

5 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

 

The next is the main harvest when Yeshua returns for His own. This harvest is referred to in Rev 14:14-16 in which the wheat is gathered and put into the barn and the tares are thrown into the winepress of the Wrath of God. Then … the final gleanings harvest that follows the Millennium Kingdom. 

This is not correct. The Lord Himself comes first for the dead in Christ, and then returns for the alive that remain. THIS is the barley and wheat harvest which is the grain harvest.

The harvest that you speak of in Revelation 14 is the fruit harvest which occurs in the fall. That is why the grapes are harvested.

Revelation 14

18 And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.

19 And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.

There is no wheat harvest in Rev 14. Revelation 14 is the second harvest, the fruit harvest, hence grapes.

5 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

 

This concludes the harvests that Paul describes in 1 Cor 15.

Which is the fruit harvest. The grain harvest, 1 Thessalonians 4, when the Lord Himself comes will occur before the fruit harvest.

5 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

 

The 70 weeks of Daniel is a specific grouping of 7 years in Gods harvest cycle. The final week of years is preceded by a Sabbatical year (the end of the 69^th week) and ends with a Sabbatical year followed by a Jubilee year. No sowing or reaping can occur in these years. The gathering of the harvest can only occur during non-Sabbatical or Jubilee years.

Do you see the implications of this?

This completely eliminates the post tribulation rapture because somewhere in those last 2 years is where a post-trib rapture would have to take place.

This is ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT. Well done. And you are ABSOLUTELY CORRECT that the post tribulation rapture would have to occur in those last two years. However, your conclusion is incorrect. This nails down the post tribulation rapture as fact.........the second rapture which occurs two years from the end. I will expound at the end of this post.

5 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

It also eliminates the year before the beginning of the 70^th week for a pre-trib rapture (because it’s a Sabbatical year of the 69^th week) Now, a pre-trib rapture could theoretically still happen before the 70^th week, but it would have to happen a full year before the start of the 70^th week.

This also ABSOLUTELY BRILLIANT. The pretrib rapture will not occur before the 70th week. Noah entered the ark 6 days before the flood, but we do not know what day he was SEALED in. I think we can back into this number by working backwards but that is for another post.

5 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

This radically changes our theories of the resurrection and rapture.

It doesn't change my theory whatsoever. It confirms it.

5 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

If we follow Gods laws for the harvest cycle, we are left with a final 6 month window that the harvest at the end of the age can occur.

I think I am following you. However, the Jewish year begins at a different time. Should that be considered?

5 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

 

We’re gathered at the Trumpet blast on Yom Teru’ah, closing the harvest window … and beginning Gods wrath in the Sabbatical year.

This is incorrect. The Church is gathered in the spring and summer.........barley and wheat.

The Feast of Trumpets, Yom Teru', is the second harvest when the 12 tribes across the earth are gathered. We can prove that because the 144,000 from the 12 tribes are the 1st fruits of the harvest in Revelation 14:14-16. We can further prove that it is those of the 12 tribes being harvested because those harvested are singing the song of Moses. THIS IS THE HARVEST OF THE 12 TRIBES ACROSS THE EARTH. The woman however, those from Israel that flee to a place of protection will be on earth during the wrath of God.

Revelation 15

2 And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

3 And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

5 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

This would leave a biblical one year and 10 day period to the beginning of the Messianic Kingdom in the following year of Jubilee on Yom Kippur.

I assume you are saying there is a rapture on the Feast of Trumpets. The wrath of God lasts one year and there is another year and 10 days before the end. Is this correct?

5 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

This is the same time frame that Noah and his family were protected from the totality of Gods wrath from the flood, in the ark. This one year and ten days is the time that God deals with the wicked and unrepentant.

Now I think I am confused. The wrath of God lasts one year. You said there is another year and 10 days. What am I missing>

5 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

This would place our gathering just prior to Gods wrath at the end of the 6^th year of the 70^th week.

No. The Church will be gathered before the great tribulation, during the 70th week. The gathering from heaven and earth which occurs at the 6th seal will occur two years before the end.

5 hours ago, JoeCanada said:

To say otherwise is saying that God won’t honor the Harvest laws that He put in place.

Your analysis about the harvest laws is spot on. You nailed it. But your conclusions for this excellent analysis are incorrect. Take a look at your statement.

'This completely eliminates the post tribulation rapture because somewhere in those last 2 years is where a post-trib rapture would have to take place."

The post tribulation rapture will occur in those last two years. Of course it is not the Church being raptured, it is the 12 tribes across the earth.............from the earth and the Church from heaven. All return to heaven for the marriage supper.

As for those last two years. You already know that the Day of the Lord, the day of His wrath, the seventh seal, last for one year. And what of the other year. The other year is "Day of Atonement". This completes the Daneil 9 prophecy.

Edited November 23, 2024 by The Light