Who the four horsemen of the Apocalypse are

[Marilyn C]

1 minute ago, luigi said:

I just put one and one and one together to figure out who the 4 horsemen are. In Daniel 7, we see four beasts separate from each other (Daniel 7:3), that are the nations of the world whom the Lord will destroy in the end (Daniel 7:9). These same four separate beasts appear as a unified single body in Revelation 13:2. As such, when I saw the four horsemen in Zechariah 1 and 6, and the two witnesses in Zechariah 4, who are the two witnesses in Revelation 11, whom the 10 horned beast kills (Revelation 11:7); I then realized the beasts and the horsemen are the same. The only difference is the four horsemen in Revelation 6 appear separate from each other, as they are in Daniel 7, until the devil empowers the beast causing its ascension from the sea (aka, and correlating with the beasts ascension from the bottomless pit (Revelation 17:8).

 

Daniel 7:3 And four great beasts came up from the sea, diverse one from another.

Daniel 7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.

Revelation 13:2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.

Revelation 11:7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

Revelation 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

Well done there. God was certainly opening your eyes. I was taught this years ago, so there are many who believe the same.

[luigi]

16 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Revelation 6:1-8

The white horse represents the Antichrist who will bring temporary peace.

The red horse represents war and the destruction of 1/3 of the world's

trees,grass and people.

The black horse represents famine.

The pale horse represents death accompanied by hades.

 

Hello missmuffet, 

I see you are associating the four horsemen with Revelation 8 where 1/3 of earths environmental resources are destroyed following the first four of seven angels sounding/warnings to mankind. According to Revelation 9:20, the cause for these first four plagues and two following plagues in Revelation 9, is the love mankind has for the things his hands produce from which he will not repent.

The four horsemen in Revelation 6, on the other hand, deal with the people under their jurisdictions in differing manners, as the environmental resources commence to collapse. The four horsemen are therefore the four primary type of governments of the world (capitalism/consumerism; socialism/communism; third world nations; and the fourth horse speckled or gray in color; Middle Eastern nations, having a combination/mixture of the first three primary world governments). 

 Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

[luigi]

19 minutes ago, Marilyn C said:

Well done there. God was certainly opening your eyes. I was taught this years ago, so there are many who believe the same.

Glad to hear it. I thought I was kind of solo.

[missmuffet]

26 minutes ago, luigi said:

Hello missmuffet, 

I see you are associating the four horsemen with Revelation 8 where 1/3 of earths environmental resources are destroyed following the first four of seven angels sounding/warnings to mankind. According to Revelation 9:20, the cause for these first four plagues and two following plagues in Revelation 9, is the love mankind has for the things his hands produce from which he will not repent.

The four horsemen in Revelation 6, on the other hand, deal with the people under their jurisdictions in differing manners, as the environmental resources commence to collapse. The four horsemen are therefore the four primary type of governments of the world (capitalism/consumerism; socialism/communism; third world nations; and the fourth horse speckled or gray in color; Middle Eastern nations, having a combination/mixture of the first three primary world governments). 

 Revelation 9:20 And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

No, you are not taking Revelation literally.

[luigi]

6 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

No, you are not taking Revelation literally.

I know I am not taking Revelation literally. In Daniel 7 we see the four beasts in Revelation 13, described as the worlds nations, whom the Lord will put an end to due to their wrong doings. So too, do we see the four horsemen in Revelation 6, with much wrong doings.

[missmuffet]

14 minutes ago, luigi said:

I know I am not taking Revelation literally. In Daniel 7 we see the four beasts in Revelation 13, described as the worlds nations, whom the Lord will put an end to due to their wrong doings. So too, do we see the four horsemen in Revelation 6, with much wrong doings.

There are a lot of images that can't be taken literally in the book of Revelation. You need to use consistent

hermenetics in Revelation. There are passages that you can take literally and should do so. The Four Horsemen

of Apocalypse can be taken literally.

[luigi]

1 minute ago, missmuffet said:

There are a lot of images that can't be taken literally in the book of Revelation. You need to use consistent

hermenetics in Revelation. There are passages that you can take literally and should do so. The Four Horsemen

of Apocalypse can be taken literally.

There is no literal human horseman who is going to go about conquering other nations (Revelation 6:2). The first horseman is an entity comprised of a group of nations, whose consumeristic interests cause it to about conquering other nations for their natural resources. The first horseman matches/correlates very well with the fourth beast in Daniel 7:23 who goes about treading down the earth and breaking it in pieces, in order to devour/consume its resources. 

 Revelation 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

[missmuffet]

30 minutes ago, luigi said:

There is no literal human horseman who is going to go about conquering other nations (Revelation 6:2). The first horseman is an entity comprised of a group of nations, whose consumeristic interests cause it to about conquering other nations for their natural resources. The first horseman matches/correlates very well with the fourth beast in Daniel 7:23 who goes about treading down the earth and breaking it in pieces, in order to devour/consume its resources. 

 Revelation 6:2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

Daniel 7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

I agree that there are not 4 physical horsemen. It is symbolic depictions of different events

that will take place during the 7 year tribulation. I definitely don't agree with your interpretation.

[luigi]

28 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

I agree that there are not 4 physical horsemen. It is symbolic depictions of different events

that will take place during the 7 year tribulation. I definitely don't agree with your interpretation.

I agree that the actions of the symbolic four horsemen represent dire events that will be occurring during the great tribulation. As such, there then needs to be a reason/reasons why the four horsemen will do what they do.

The second  horseman riding the red horse, is granted authority to take peace from the earth, with people killing one another; and is issued a great sword in order to accomplish his task (Revelation 6:4). We may be see this occurring today between Russia and Ukraine. Additionally, If you go to YouTube and look up what is happening in China today; it is on the verge of collapse, with civil unrest and uprisings increasing daily. 

 

Revelation 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

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[Marilyn C]

1 hour ago, luigi said:

I agree that the actions of the symbolic four horsemen represent dire events that will be occurring during the great tribulation. As such, there then needs to be a reason/reasons why the four horsemen will do what they do.

The second  horseman riding the red horse, is granted authority to take peace from the earth, with people killing one another; and is issued a great sword in order to accomplish his task (Revelation 6:4). We may be see this occurring today between Russia and Ukraine. Additionally, If you go to YouTube and look up what is happening in China today; it is on the verge of collapse, with civil unrest and uprisings increasing daily. 

 

Revelation 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

Hi luigi,

(just a note - videos are only for the video section.)

Now even though we agree that those scriptures - Dan. 7, Zech. 6, Rev. 6 & 13 are talking about great powers I realize that we see the details differently. You may like to read of what I was taught. Just a quick summary.

1. Dan. 7 great powers. These all started or will rise after a war. 

Lion & eagle`s wings - British Empire and America. Conquered over a quarter of the world. Has a king. (rose after Napoleonic wars)

Bear - Soviet Union. devoured country after country behind the iron curtain. Now is Russia and its confederacy of nations. (after WW 1)

Leopard - European Union. Started with 4 heads/leaders. Its `free trade` policy is across the world enabling a few multi- nationals to eat up the rest. (WW 2)

Terrifying - Islam. yet to come to its full potential. (after the Russian war in Israel)

 

2. Rev. 6 great powers. Heading towards the trib.

White horse -crowned & conquering. Britian and USA working together control most of the world.

Red horse - killing. After Ukraine/Russian war God deals with them.

Black horse - `Free Trade` leads to high inflation and famine.

Pale horse -Islam is a religion of death. They will arise after God deals with Russia, Iran etc.

 

3. Rev. 13 Global Government. As in Dan. 7 the terrifying kingdom treads down the others.

Britain & USA are the mouthpiece. (as is now)

European Union philosophy of `Free Trade` controls the economies of the world.

Russia - what is left after God`s judgment is only symbolized by `feet.` 

Islam - This most terrifying federation oversees all the others.