Trump says all hell to pay

[The_Patriot21]

On 12/4/2024 at 11:52 AM, dad2 said:

Hitting them means mass murdering families. THAT is the enemy, the terror and killing of people by any side.

No excuses. It is evil to mass murder people. What would you say to a tourist in some country if the only way he could stay for a few months was to kill 2000 people? I would say it would be better to leave if that is the only alternative.

Says who? If that means displacing and mass murdering populations, then I am not sure such actions end wars. Probably they result in what bible prophesy says is coming (nations gathering against Israel)

How does that work? Was the best way to help the people in prison camps in Germany to 'step up and help Germany? That does not make sense to me. Better to help the victims.

So you want to redirect money that should never have been going to Ukraine that countries cannot afford anyhow to help mass murder children? How evil

Killing tens of thousands of babies and children is not fighting terrorists. It is a war crime and crime against God and humanity

 

 So when Trump utters threats to up the mass murders basically, it appears to me like he is blinded by donors or something and also being a liar since he promised to try to end wars abroad.

You do realize, that according to UN reports, including the current conflict, Israel has the absolute lowest percentage of innocent deaths of any nation on the planet? And the only way it can get better is if we help them. Israel is limited by manpower, they can't go door to door as much as they should because they don't have it. If we put boots on the ground we can give them the manpower.

What you don't get, and what trump does, is theres only two ways this war ends. Either by Hamas killing every man, women and child in Israel, or by Israel destroying Hamas.

There is absolutely a difference between the two. Yes, Israel has killed innocent's. There's no denying that. But the difference is they're not aiming for them. Hamas is. Hamas is trying to kill all Jews. And what's worse is they're using their own people as human shields.

Most of those innocent's who are killed by Israel, are because Hamas was using them as shields. Their deaths are on Hamas, not Israel.

I can't imagine the hate one has in their heart to defend such a horrible organization such as Hamas, while bashing Israel for doing what they have to to survive. It defies all logic and sound reasoning.

[dad2]

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"Supposed?" All you have to do is look at the books in the elementary schools.

? Are you suggesting there are some schools left that Israel did not destroy that are teaching anything now?

"All schools in Gaza have been closed for 625,000 students for 6 months. 87.7% of all school buildings in Gaza have been damaged or destroyed."

https://www.savethechildren.net/blog/education-under-attack-gaza-nearly-90-school-buildings-damaged-or-destroyed

Monstrous. And Trump wants to unleash all hell there now??

 

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Again, they are not killing "the population," they are killing those who have picked up arms in order to murder as many Jews as they can.

You can call the mostly women and children who were murdered there something other than the 'population' if you like. You fool no one though

 

[dad2]

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You do realize, that according to UN reports, including the current conflict, Israel has the absolute lowest percentage of innocent deaths of any nation on the planet?

Of course, it is easy to label all the innocents you mass murder 'terrorists'!

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And the only way it can get better is if we help them. Israel is limited by manpower, they can't go door to door as much as they should because they don't have it. If we put boots on the ground we can give them the manpower.

I see no reason why nations should send soldiers to aid in genocide. The bible does tell us that soldiers from all over the world one day will attack Israel though. I used to think that was some sort of evil thing and wonder how nations could be so demonic as to attack poor Israel. No more. Obviously many nations over there are angry and outraged and would be even more so if Israel used any nukes.

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What you don't get, and what trump does, is theres only two ways this war ends. Either by Hamas killing every man, women and child in Israel, or by Israel destroying Hamas.

Impossible. Hamas is an outgrowth from an oppressed population and unless you kill them all, there will be some sort of resistance and probably a lot worse than Hamas ever was.

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There is absolutely a difference between the two. Yes, Israel has killed innocent's. There's no denying that. But the difference is they're not aiming for them. Hamas is. Hamas is trying to kill all Jews. And what's worse is they're using their own people as human shields.

Delusional doublespeak. When you blanket a populated area for months with heavy bombing, wiping out most schools and etc etc and starve and deprive them of basic needs for life, the issue is not whether you admit to having 'targeted' them or not!

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Most of those innocent's who are killed by Israel, are because Hamas was using them as shields. Their deaths are on Hamas, not Israel.

I can't imagine the hate one has in their heart to defend such a horrible organization such as Hamas, while bashing Israel for doing what they have to to survive. It defies all logic and sound reasoning.

I cannot imagine the depth of demonic darkness some have in claiming that compassion for victims of one of the worst crimes against humanity in history is seen as defending terrorists. Being angry at actual terrorists is no excuse to mass murder and starve and deprive medical and water from a population.

[The_Patriot21]

18 minutes ago, dad2 said:

Of course, it is easy to label all the innocents you mass murder 'terrorists'!

I see no reason why nations should send soldiers to aid in genocide. The bible does tell us that soldiers from all over the world one day will attack Israel though. I used to think that was some sort of evil thing and wonder how nations could be so demonic as to attack poor Israel. No more. Obviously many nations over there are angry and outraged and would be even more so if Israel used any nukes.

Impossible. Hamas is an outgrowth from an oppressed population and unless you kill them all, there will be some sort of resistance and probably a lot worse than Hamas ever was.

Delusional doublespeak. When you blanket a populated area for months with heavy bombing, wiping out most schools and etc etc and starve and deprive them of basic needs for life, the issue is not whether you admit to having 'targeted' them or not!

I cannot imagine the depth of demonic darkness some have in claiming that compassion for victims of one of the worst crimes against humanity in history is seen as defending terrorists. Being angry at actual terrorists is no excuse to mass murder and starve and deprive medical and water from a population.

Your refusal to look at the facts is most disturbing, in fact it's downright anti sematic. I won't waste any more time feeding your lies.

[dad2]

8 hours ago, The_Patriot21 said:

Your refusal to look at the facts is most disturbing, in fact it's downright anti sematic. I won't waste any more time feeding your lies.

The facts are that mass murder is being committed. In the last few days, attacking 'safe' zones, and hospital water supplies and scores killed.

"As dozens are reported killed in Israeli attacks across Gaza, Al Jazeera’s correspondent on the ground says patients and staff at Kamal Adwan Hospital were “soaked in blood” after multiple Israeli drone strikes on the besieged medical facility."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/12/6/live-israel-kills-dozens-in-gaza-continues-to-target-southern-lebanon

 

To call not liking this 'anti sematic' is a hate crime.

[other one]

7 hours ago, dad2 said:

The facts are that mass murder is being committed. In the last few days, attacking 'safe' zones, and hospital water supplies and scores killed.

"As dozens are reported killed in Israeli attacks across Gaza, Al Jazeera’s correspondent on the ground says patients and staff at Kamal Adwan Hospital were “soaked in blood” after multiple Israeli drone strikes on the besieged medical facility."

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/12/6/live-israel-kills-dozens-in-gaza-continues-to-target-southern-lebanon

 

To call not liking this 'anti sematic' is a hate crime.

When an enemy who has been dedicated to killing you for decades and has many times in the past hides him/herself and all her fighting tools among citizens, schools, hospitals and such, you have two choices.   Choice one is to let them keep killing your people (sometimes thousands at a time) or you go after them wherever they are.  Israel could wipe out Gaza and kill everything that draws breath in a very short time if that is what they intended to do.

These so-called mass murder is Israel protecting their very existence.  Yes, it is ugly, war is ugly.

We had the same problem in Viet Nam where they would put bombs on little kids and tell them to go over and say hi to the US army guys.    You knew what was coming and the only way to stop it was to shoot the kid.   It messes with your mind for the rest of your life, but you do what you have to do.

[dad2]

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When an enemy who has been dedicated to killing you for decades and has many times in the past hides him/herself and all her fighting tools among citizens, schools, hospitals and such, you have two choices.   Choice one is to let them keep killing your people (sometimes thousands at a time) or you go after them wherever they are.  Israel could wipe out Gaza and kill everything that draws breath in a very short time if that is what they intended to do.

Another choice would be to admit that you may not have been a good neighbor, free the hostages you filled your jails with, stop raping and torturing them and mass murdering children. Maybe that would invoke a little good will. Failing that, rather than oppress and terrorize neighbours, just move out. Fit in or...

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These so-called mass murder is Israel protecting their very existence.  Yes, it is ugly, war is ugly.

We had the same problem in Viet Nam where they would put bombs on little kids and tell them to go over and say hi to the US army guys.    You knew what was coming and the only way to stop it was to shoot the kid.   It messes with your mind for the rest of your life, but you do what you have to do.

Hitler was not protecting his existence when rounding up and killing hundreds of thousands of minorities was he? Looking at the terror and genocide inflicted on families, schools and hospitals etc in Gaza, I would say the same thing applies- killing women and children is not defence.

The US should not have been in Vietnam. The poor soldiers there were fighting the wrong enemy, it was the people sending them there who probably were real enemies. That is why there were so many draft dodgers. My opinion is that real courage would have been to refuse to go.

Edited December 6, 2024 by dad2

[other one]

3 hours ago, dad2 said:

Another choice would be to admit that you may not have been a good neighbor, free the hostages you filled your jails with, stop raping and torturing them and mass murdering children. Maybe that would invoke a little good will. Failing that, rather than oppress and terrorize neighbours, just move out. Fit in or...

Hitler was not protecting his existence when rounding up and killing hundreds of thousands of minorities was he? Looking at the terror and genocide inflicted on families, schools and hospitals etc in Gaza, I would say the same thing applies- killing women and children is not defence.

The US should not have been in Vietnam. The poor soldiers there were fighting the wrong enemy, it was the people sending them there who probably were real enemies. That is why there were so many draft dodgers. My opinion is that real courage would have been to refuse to go.

I think you do not understand Islam.  From the day Israel declared a state, Islamic followers, including Palestinians, have been trying to kill all  the Jews in Israel.  They call out Jew free from the river to the see means there are no Jews anywhere in Israel.

It happened that Israel make peace with Egypt, Jordan, and others, especially after the 1967 war.  But Iran and Hesbola and Hamas are the jihadi fighters that are doing the killing.    Israel must wipe them out, for they will never stop trying to kill the Jews.  The alternative is to perish themselves or move back out into the world where they are persecuted wherever they go.

[dad2]

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I think you do not understand Islam. 

I do not care about Islam or Buddhism or etc. The issue is mass murdering children.

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From the day Israel declared a state, Islamic followers, including Palestinians, have been trying to kill all  the Jews in Israel.  They call out Jew free from the river to the see means there are no Jews anywhere in Israel.

Yet hundreds of thousands had to leave as refugees as well. Others were blown up by Israeli terrorists in the hotel. So it was not saints against devils as you try to picture it. It was people honing in and taking lands and then killing, imprisoning and terrorizing the former inhabitants. I think I already mentioned that any neighbour moving in to a neighbourhood should try to be nice to the folks there. Otherwise, if they steal and kill and terrorize, they would not be welcome. Like the old adage, 'fit in, or @#%

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It happened that Israel make peace with Egypt, Jordan, and others, especially after the 1967 war. 

Good. Peace is the right thing to do. They maybe should have taken steps to try to make it look like it was not just a ploy to reduce fronts as they attacked other neighbours as well I would think.

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But Iran and Hesbola and Hamas are the jihadi fighters that are doing the killing. 

Not in Gaza! Which happens to be the topic here. How Trump breathed out threats of unleashing serious hell against that decimated and starving population astounds me. With all his peace talk, I expected more from the guy. If he attacks the poor civilians there I will consider him a cheap thug terrorist that is bought and paid for.

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   Israel must wipe them out,

Crazy talk

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for they will never stop trying to kill the Jews. 

Looking at what the state of Israel is doing to them, is this any wonder?

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The alternative is to perish themselves or move back out into the world where they are persecuted wherever they go.

It is true that many people the world over would possibly be slow in forgiving the genocide and demonic cruelty. But there are many areas with Jewish populations that seem fine.

 

Edited December 7, 2024 by dad2

[other one]

1 hour ago, dad2 said:

I do not care about Islam or Buddhism or etc. The issue is mass murdering children.

Yet hundreds of thousands had to leave as refugees as well. Others were blown up by Israeli terrorists in the hotel. So it was not saints against devils as you try to picture it. It was people honing in and taking lands and then killing, imprisoning and terrorizing the former inhabitants. I think I already mentioned that any neighbour moving in to a neighbourhood should try to be nice to the folks there. Otherwise, if they steal and kill and terrorize, they would not be welcome. Like the old adage, 'fit in, or @#%

Good. Peace is the right thing to do. They maybe should have taken steps to try to make it look like it was not just a ploy to reduce fronts as they attacked other neighbours as well I would think.

Not in Gaza! Which happens to be the topic here. How Trump breathed out threats of unleashing serious hell against that decimated and starving population astounds me. With all his peace talk, I expected more from the guy. If he attacks the poor civilians there I will consider him a cheap thug terrorist that is bought and paid for.

Crazy talk

Looking at what the state of Israel is doing to them, is this any wonder?

It is true that many people the world over would possibly be slow in forgiving the genocide and demonic cruelty. But there are many areas with Jewish populations that seem fine.

 

Our thoughts and ideas of reality are too far apart to discuss.