Lukewarm Christian

[Your closest friendnt]

4 hours ago, farouk said:

Acts 2.42 is also relevant: continuing stedfastly  in various testimony activities......

Ahh Acts 2:42 not 2:24 

 ⁴² They devoted themselves to the apostles’ teaching and to fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Ausie 52 said:

Discipleship is not optional.

Jesus said, "If ANY man would come after Me, let him deny himself, take up his cross and follow Me".

There are not two classes of Christians, disciples and non-disciples. The new birth changes the rebel into a disciple. As Paul wrote it is a new creation. Regeneration changes the inward disposition of a person from disobedience to obedience. Anything else is a counterfeit conversion.

In the first paragraph is what Jesus said to some people who wanted to be his disciples just like the twelve. 

In other words Jesus was telling the people that this is what the twelve disciples had done. And if anyone wanted to be one of his disciples this is what Jesus was asking from them.

There were many people who followed Jesus on a regular basis. And one time Jesus choose 72 of them. 

Luke 10:17- The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.”

18 He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. 20 However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.”

21 At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.

......Almost every believer is a disciple even a disciple to his own family and to his children. 

[Ausie 52]

4 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

In the first paragraph is what Jesus said to some people who wanted to be his disciples just like the twelve. 

In other words Jesus was telling the people that this is what the twelve disciples had done. And if anyone wanted to be one of his disciples this is what Jesus was asking from them.

There were many people who followed Jesus on a regular basis. And one time Jesus choose 72 of them. 

Luke 10:17- The seventy-two returned with joy and said, “Lord, even the demons submit to us in your name.”

18 He replied, “I saw Satan fall like lightning from heaven. 19 I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you. 20 However, do not rejoice that the spirits submit to you, but rejoice that your names are written in heaven.”

21 At that time Jesus, full of joy through the Holy Spirit, said, “I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children. Yes, Father, for this is what you were pleased to do.

......Almost every believer is a disciple even a disciple to his own family and to his children. 

It seems to me that you are wriggling out of the plain meaning of the text. Jesus' call to follow Him was 'if any man' not just some.

[Your closest friendnt]

2 hours ago, Ausie 52 said:

It seems to me that you are wriggling out of the plain meaning of the text. Jesus' call to follow Him was 'if any man' not just some.

He told them that time that he was not like the other Rabis who teach out from a Synagogue or their own school. That He is wandering Rabi continuesly moving around from place to place. 

Jesus had no permanent place to teach from. He did not own any property. He teach out in the open on the hills where a bigger crowd can gather and won't interfere with the regular business of the towns. 

His disciples they had to follow Him around where ever he went and they did not know where he will go next. 

Even Jesus did not know as he had to follow the Heavenly Father. He too had to follow the Heavenly Father as his life and his schedule was in his hands. Often Jesus said your will be done. He was in obedience to the Heavenly Father. 

Edited January 2 by Your closest friendnt

[Ausie 52]

45 minutes ago, Your closest friendnt said:

He told them that time that he was not like the other Rabis who teach out from a Synagogue or their own school. That He is wandering Rabi continuesly moving around from place to place. 

Jesus had no permanent place to teach from. He did not own any property. 

His disciples they had to follow Him around where ever he went and they did not know where he will go next. Even Jesus did not know as he had to follow the Heavenly Father. He too had to follow the Heavenly Father. 

Very vague.

[Your closest friendnt]

42 minutes ago, Ausie 52 said:

Very vague.

I went through the Gospels and if you do too you will not find anything else. 

[Who me]

On 1/1/2025 at 1:23 AM, Your closest friendnt said:

People drop out of the churches because they want to tell them what to do and how to think. And how to live. They continiiusly judge their own. And they never found them good enough. 

There is always something else. 

That or they don't  like having the High standard of Jesus  before them and they want an easier life style. 

 

It works both ways,  some think they are being judged unfairly, or they are being judge fairly. 

[farouk]

20 hours ago, Ausie 52 said:

Discipleship is not optional.

Jesus said, "If ANY man would come after Me, let him deny himself, take up his cross and follow Me".

There are not two classes of Christians, disciples and non-disciples. The new birth changes the rebel into a disciple. As Paul wrote it is a new creation. Regeneration changes the inward disposition of a person from disobedience to obedience. Anything else is a counterfeit conversion.

Good point; Paul to the Romans speaks of 'obedience to the faith' and 'the obedience of faith' (1.5 & 16.26).

Edited January 2 by farouk

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, Who me said:

That or they don't  like having the High standard of Jesus  before them and they want an easier life style. 

 

It works both ways,  some think they are being judged unfairly, or they are being judge fairly. 

We know the general good will of Jesus for all. But only he knows the specific will for each and everyone of us. Why do people act that they know the specific will of Jesus for everyone else. 

This is why we can judge others unfairly. 

Edited January 2 by Your closest friendnt

[Your closest friendnt]

14 hours ago, Ausie 52 said:

Very vague.

That was told to those who can see Jesus and they can follow him where he was going and they can hear what he was teaching. That was their only chance to know what he was teaching. Because Jesus did not write down a script or asked someone else to write down what he was teaching. And at that time they did not have electronics and pen and paper to take  notes. This was the only way to know what he was teaching by following him around and learn from him. They had to follow the one they can see and hear speaking. 

Jesus did not stay in the same place he kept moving and his disciples were with him and followed him. And that's before the season of the Holy Spirit in the New Covenant. 

When Jesus said that the Holy Spirit will bring to your memory everything that you hear me teach. 

This is why it was important to follow Jesus and hear everything he had to say. That why he had to say follow me because they can see him where ever he was going. In the New Testament we have a different situation. We have the Gospels and the letters and the teachers of the church and they want us to follow them. And we have the Holy Spirit who knows the will of Jesus and tries to quide us and to distance us from some not all of the understanding of the teachers who are in war with one another and they agree that they need to know a lot more and to be corrected a lot more. And we have Jesus who is at war with them. Revelation 1,2 and 3 chapters.