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9 minutes ago, Anne2 said:

Why distort Romans? 

Gentile law unto themselves....Noachide.

Rom 9:13  (For not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified.
14  For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves:
15  Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another;)

****Self righteousness

De 6:25  And it shall be our righteousness, if we observe to do all these commandments before the LORD our God, as he hath commanded us.

****God's righteousness
De 9:4  Speak not thou in thine heart, after that the LORD thy God hath cast them out from before thee, saying, For my righteousness the LORD hath brought me in to possess this land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD doth drive them out from before thee.
De 9:5  Not for thy righteousness, or for the uprightness of thine heart, dost thou go to possess their land: but for the wickedness of these nations the LORD thy God doth drive them out from before thee, and that he may perform the word which the LORD sware unto thy fathers, Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.
De 9:6  Understand therefore, that the LORD thy God giveth thee not this good land to possess it for thy righteousness; for thou art a stiffnecked people.
 

Which are you preaching?

Eze 33:13  When I shall say to the righteous, that he shall surely live; if he trust to his own righteousness, and commit iniquity, all his righteousnesses shall not be remembered; but for his iniquity that he hath committed, he shall die for it.
Ro 10:3  For they being ignorant of God’s righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.
Php 3:9  And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith:

Nothing in Romans has been distorted, except by you. It's Romans 2:13-15 (not 9:13-15) and it very plainly and repeatedly states that we need to keep The Law/Commandments of God, for everyone's benefit.

Romans 13:8-10

13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled The Law.
13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not murder, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness (lie), Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as [or more than] thyself.
13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of The Law.

 

And a brief reminder from Christ:

John 14:15, 21-24

14:15 If ye love me, KEEP my COMMANDments.

14:21 He that hath my COMMANDments, and KEEPETH them, HE it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
14:22 Jude saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, 
If a man love me, he will obey my words: and my Father will love him, and We will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
14:24 He that loveth me not obeyeth not my sayings: and the Truth which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

 


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1 hour ago, A Freeman said:

Nothing in Romans has been distorted, except by you. It's Romans 2:13-15 (not 9:13-15) and it very plainly and repeatedly states that we need to keep The Law/Commandments of God, for everyone's benefit.

Romans 13:8-10

13:8 Owe no man any thing, but to love one another: for he that loveth another hath fulfilled The Law.
13:9 For this, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not murder, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness (lie), Thou shalt not covet; and if [there be] any other commandment, it is briefly comprehended in this saying, namely, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as [or more than] thyself.
13:10 Love worketh no ill to his neighbour: therefore love [is] the fulfilling of The Law.

 

And a brief reminder from Christ:

John 14:15, 21-24

14:15 If ye love me, KEEP my COMMANDments.

14:21 He that hath my COMMANDments, and KEEPETH them, HE it is that loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will love him, and will manifest myself to him.
14:22 Jude saith unto him, not Iscariot, Lord, how is it that thou wilt manifest thyself unto us, and not unto the world?
14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, 
If a man love me, he will obey my words: and my Father will love him, and We will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
14:24 He that loveth me not obeyeth not my sayings: and the Truth which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.

 

Gentiles are nor under the  law of Moses..Not were Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

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1 hour ago, Anne2 said:

Gentiles are nor under the  law of Moses..Not were Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob.

Unless a gentile (foreigner) is grafted into Israel (the people not the counterfeit-Jewish state in the Middle East) they have no hope of being redeemed (according to Christ, in His Revelation to John):

Revelation 7:4-9

7:4 And I HEARD the number of them which were sealed: [and there were] sealed an hundred [and] forty [and] four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.
7:5 Of the tribe of Judah [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Reuben [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Gad [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:6 Of the tribe of Asher [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Naphtali [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Manasseh [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:7 Of the tribe of Simeon [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Levi [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Issachar [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:8 Of the tribe of Zebulun [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Joseph/Ephraim [were] sealed twelve thousand. Of the tribe of Benjamin [were] sealed twelve thousand.
7:9 After this I beheld, and, lo, a great multitude, which no man could count (which is why he was told in verse 4), of all nations, and kindreds, and people, and tongues, stood before the Throne, and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, and palms in their hands;
 

Further yet, after thousands of years, with the Bible having been translated into many of Earth's languages and delivered all over the world, no one has any excuse anymore to pretend that God is unjust or unfair, i.e. God's Law somehow doesn't apply equally to everyone, exactly as He told us:

Deuteronomy 29:9-15

29:9 Keep therefore the words of this Covenant, and DO them, that ye may prosper in all that ye do.
29:10 Ye stand this day all of you before the "I AM" your God; your captains of your tribes, your elders, and your officers, [with] all the men of Israel,
29:11 Your little ones, your wives, and thy stranger that [is] in thy camp, from the hewer of thy wood unto the drawer of thy water:
29:12 That thou shouldest enter into Covenant with the "I AM" thy God, and into His Oath, which the "I AM" thy God maketh with thee this day:
29:13 That He may establish thee to day for a people unto Himself, and [that] He may be unto thee a God, as He hath said unto thee, and as He hath sworn unto thy fathers, to Abraham, to Isaac, and to Jacob/Israel.
29:14 Neither with you only do I make this Covenant and this Oath;
29:15 But with [him] that standeth here with us this day before the "I AM" our God, and also with [him] that [is] not here with us this day [thy children, in PERPETUITY]:

 

The Gospel (Good News) Truth is each of us have this final opportunity to come to our senses and obey God and His Law ONLY to show our love and appreciation for Christ's Sacrifice (and the sacrifices by all of the prophets before Him). And to prove that our love for our neighbors (everyone else on Earth) is genuine.


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1 minute ago, A Freeman said:

Unless a gentile (foreigner) is grafted into Israel (the people not the counterfeit-Jewish state in the Middle East) they have no hope of being redeemed (according to Christ, in His Revelation to John):

Already happened. 

 

Rev 21:10  And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11  Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12  And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13  On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14  And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
 


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1 hour ago, Anne2 said:

Already happened. 

 

Rev 21:10  And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
11  Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
12  And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
13  On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
14  And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
 

You've seen the first heaven and the first earth pass away, and city-sized spaceship come down out of heaven to pick-up the 144,000 on Judgment Day?

What then are we all still doing here?


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39 minutes ago, A Freeman said:

You've seen the first heaven and the first earth pass away, and city-sized spaceship come down out of heaven to pick-up the 144,000 on Judgment Day?

What then are we all still doing here?

Spaceship? Oookay

 

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Revelation 21

21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new Earth: for the first heaven and the first Earth were passed away; and there was no more sea (Isa. 17:12-13).
21:2 And I John saw the Holy City, "New Jerusalem", coming DOWN from God OUT OF HEAVEN, prepared as a Bride adorned for her husband.
21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the Tabernacle of God [is] with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people, and God Himself shall be with them, [and be] their God.
21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
21:5 And He that sat upon the Throne said, Behold, I make all things NEW. And He said unto me, Write: for these words are True and Faithful.
21:6 And He said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the Beginning and the End. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the Water of Life freely.
21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be My (adopted) son.
21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and ALL LIARS, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with Fire and brimstone: which is the second death.
21:9 And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me, saying, Come here, I will show thee the Bride, the Lamb's Wife.
21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and showed me that great City, the Holy Jerusalem, DESCENDING OUT OF HEAVEN from God,
21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light [was] like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
21:12 And had a wall great and high, [and] had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are [the names] of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
21:13 On the East three gates; on the North three gates; on the South three gates; and on the West three gates.
21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve Apostles of the Lamb.
21:15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs*. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred [and] forty [and] four cubits, [according to] the measure of man, that is, from the angel.
21:18 And the building of the wall of it was [of] jasper: and the city [was] pure gold, like unto clear glass.
21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city [were] garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation [was] jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
21:20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst. (see the Breast-Plate of Aaron - Exodus 28)
21:21 And the twelve gates [were] twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the City [was] pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are The Temple of it.
21:23 And the city had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it: for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb [is] the Light thereof.
21:24 And them which are saved out of the nations shall walk in the Light of it: and the kings of the Earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
21:25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
21:26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
21:27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither [whatsoever] worketh abomination, or [maketh] a LIE: but they which are written in the Lamb's Book of Life.

 

*a sphere almost the diameter of the moon


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2 hours ago, A Freeman said:

Revelation 21

 

Who is Jesus to you? What do you believe about Him?

I ask because you are posting from a "bible translation" that also uses the koran and other books that the king james bible does not have.

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Do you believe that Jesus is the Son of God, part of the Trinity of God?

Do you believe He died as the ultimate sacrifice for our sins and that belief in Him is the only way to be saved?

Do you believe the koran is of equal truth to the bible?

Do you believe the gospel of thomas is correct when it claims Jesus says women must become men in order to be saved?

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3 hours ago, A Freeman said:

Jesus was the human son of the virgin body of Mary, born in Bethlehem of Judaea (Matt. 2:1) and descended from the kingly line of David (Matt. 1:1-17). At the age of 40, Jesus was crucified on a WEDNESDAY (Dan. 9:27), died and was buried in the tomb of his rich great-uncle, Joseph of Arimathaea (who was Mary's guardian before and after Mary's marriage to her husband Joseph), and was raised/resurrected by Father (God) three days and three nights later (Matt. 12:39-40), again exactly as it tells us in Scripture. Hence Jesus' designation as "the Son of Man".

Jesus was incarnated by The Messiah/Christ (John 1:14), God's Eldest/Firstborn/First-created Son (Col. 1:15; Rev. 3:14), Who is a spiritual-Being like God is a Spiritual-Being (Num. 23:19; John 4:24), becoming the human+Being we refer to as Jesus+Christ. The Messiah/Christ -- which is a TITLE -- means "The One Whom God Anointed" which is usually expressed simply as "The Anointed One". Hence Christ's designation as "the Son of God".

Jesus is also a TITLE, which means "YHWH Saves" (in English - "The 'I AM' Saves"), which is usually expressed simply as "Saviour", hence the FACT that there is no other name under heaven given among men whereby we must be saved (Acts 4:10-12).

The King of kings' Bible that has been cited does include the Old Covenant/Testament, New Covenant/Testament and the Koran/Quran, as well as Books which should never have been removed from the Bible, e.g. the Book of Enoch and the Gospel account recorded by Thomas, all fully cross-referenced for the first-time in human history, also exactly as prophesied (Dan. 12:1-4; Rev. 5:1-5; John 16:25; Rev. 19:11-16).

Perhaps you might answer @ayin jade

question in your own words? It's a really simple question....Is Jesus your Lord & Savior,God the Son,2nd Person of the Triune GodHead?

The question was not meant for answers of how the " books" you cite refer to HIM as BUT Who Jesus IS to you ,personally.... I too would be interested to know without any copy/paste references

Blessings ,Kwik

 

 

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