Did Christ come to go to the Cross?

[Look2hiscrosS]

I believe that Jesus loved his own Hebrew brothers and sisters and people enough to not ask them that they sacrifice him upon the altar there in the temple in a quick and painless sacrifice.

 

but that it was important to show the love of God  to allow the enemy to take him and torture and humiliate and take his life in any way they wanted 

 

this is the ultimate love,.  this was allowing the world to receive the sacrifice he paid for all of the world both Jew and Gentile  -   we all are guilty of his death and his blood is upon us all who will receive it.

Edited yesterday at 01:43 AM by Look2hiscrosS

[Vine Abider]

13 hours ago, Look2hiscrosS said:

I believe that Jesus loved his own Hebrew brothers and sisters and people enough to not ask them that they sacrifice him upon the altar there in the temple in a quick and painless sacrifice.

 

but that it was important to show the love of God  to allow the enemy to take him and torture and humiliate and take his life in any way they wanted 

 

this is the ultimate love,.  this was allowing the world to receive the sacrifice he paid for all of the world both Jew and Gentile  -   we all are guilty of his death and his blood is upon us all who will receive it.

Yes - and then once that perfect sacrifice on our behalf was accomplished, His ultimate purpose was (in resurrection) to get into people, making them children of God with the Spirit of life in them . . . which Spirit (one with our spirit) would become their very source of life for their day to day activities, and would mature them as sons of God and transform them into His image!

[Alive]

12 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

Yes - and then once that perfect sacrifice on our behalf was accomplished, His ultimate purpose was (in resurrection) to get into people, making them children of God with the Spirit of life in them . . . which Spirit (one with our spirit) would become their very source of life for their day to day activities, and would mature them as sons of God and transform them into His image!

I discuss much of this in ‘Salvation is Relocation’ Its fundamental stuff that prevents much error if understood. It is not taught and emphasized enough.

[Alive]

13 hours ago, Look2hiscrosS said:

I believe that Jesus loved his own Hebrew brothers and sisters and people enough to not ask them that they sacrifice him upon the altar there in the temple in a quick and painless sacrifice.

 

but that it was important to show the love of God  to allow the enemy to take him and torture and humiliate and take his life in any way they wanted 

 

this is the ultimate love,.  this was allowing the world to receive the sacrifice he paid for all of the world both Jew and Gentile  -   we all are guilty of his death and his blood is upon us all who will receive it.

And yet at the end He said “Father, forgive them…”. That is the Lord I know.

[missmuffet]

Jesus came to earth primarily to save humanity from sin and 

death through His sacrifice and resurrection. 
 

[Your closest friendnt]

33 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

Yes - and then once that perfect sacrifice on our behalf was accomplished, His ultimate purpose was (in resurrection) to get into people, making them children of God with the Spirit of life in them . . . which Spirit (one with our spirit) would become their very source of life for their day to day activities, and would mature them as sons of God and transform them into His image!

I am not in agreement with some of the things you said in the above quoted statement. 

In your statement is not mentioned that as children we have the mind of our family for our quidance even the mind of every one who took part and influence our upbringing. And at the same time we have our own mind. 

For this reason your statement is incorrect. We do not have only the Holy Spirit to quide us in Life. Many Spirit are competing for this position and we end up to be quided by many Spirits at the same time. This is why we should test and give the preeminence to the Spirit of Truth. We must learn to discern the quidance of the Holy Spirit. The quidance of the Holy Spirit is the same quidance Jesus will give us. As adults we speak and often we are wondering what we are talking about. And that can go either ways. We often correct ourselves along the way. Or we misguide our self without being conscious. 

What we read in the bible and it is possible and it's good to want it it's one thing and the reality in us is another reality. This is why we have to learn to discern. The truth is that the Holy Spirit is not the only one that quiding us in life. This is why we our being corrected day in and day out. We need to be careful.  That's all.

[Your closest friendnt]

3 minutes ago, missmuffet said:

Jesus came to earth primarily to save humanity from sin and 

death through His sacrifice and resurrection. 
 

That is a true statement in the sense that it includes the Jews. This is why the Gospel had to be preached to them.  And they were the first ones to here the Gospel and believed and their sins were  forgiven in Jesus Christ. A word of caution because I did not include their works. Only said hear the Gospel and believe and their sins were forgiven in Jesus Christ. 

One more time I did not say that they asked for forgiveness because I said when they believed it happens. The moment they believed, it happens as they believe. I did not say what they do in deferent groups of believers only I said what is in scripture. 

[Vine Abider]

3 hours ago, missmuffet said:

Jesus came to earth primarily to save humanity from sin and 

death through His sacrifice and resurrection. 
 

Yes, and then there is the "much more" 

[Alive]

15 minutes ago, Vine Abider said:

Yes, and then there is the "much more" 

Amen, brother

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Vine Abider said:

Yes, and then there is the "much more" 

The much more is for men or for Jesus. 

PS I never refused clarification to anyone. 

Your statement is the same the Greeks said to Paul. Is not a bad one. The Jewish reaction to Paul was a bad one and they called him according to their interpretations of the scriptures non complementary names at the least in their thoughts. 

But some of them wanted to know. And Paul gave them his time. I quoted Paul when I responded to your post.

That made me wonder why you did not get it. And it is not the first time.