The Faith of President Donald Trump - CBN

[Patticats]

39 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

I take it you are changing the subject from what was said within the video about his being influenced by Evangelical Pentecostal  leaders? Might you acknowledge that the video does indeed state he is being influenced by Pentecostalists? ??? I didn't state it the video did, starting at the 2.58 minute mark. Whether true or not is yet another subject.

Personally I am not influenced one way or another by any person's faith. I  trust totally in the faith of Jesus. I trust in His faith alone. To follow a man any man based upon an understanding of his faith  is to be sorely disappointed at some point when the person fails or falls. That is one of the great lessons of life, that when a shepherd fails the sheep will scatter.

Those that raise up  various preachers/leaders to great heights as example  simply set up a much steeper deeper fall for those that have been so raised up, their followers become severely delusioned, some never recovering.

Be careful to exalt Christ Jesus alone! He is God he never disappoints, only He is worthy.

Can Pentecostals and their leaders be a Christian?  I know they can.... whosoever will. Jesus died for all and all who accept Him as their Savior and Lord are Christians. Including Trump. Only God knows his heart. By the way I'm not Pentecostal. But, I have some Christian friends that are.

I don't follow man. I follow and worship Jesus. And I also rejoice when I hear of others following Jesus as their Lord and Savior. Only Jesus  is who we should follow and worship.

I have seen in the past in the political world others supporting Democrats and I never called it worshiping. It's supporting. There is a big difference.  So, if I support President Trump and someone other  than a Democrat I'm worshiping them? I don't think so. There is a big difference between supporting a political person and worshiping them. I have seen some of the same things you are talking about when Democrats were in office. Is it not the same?

Only God knows my heart and He knows I follow and worship Him alone!! Even if I support Trump. He's not the only President I have supported. I also rejoice  when someone comes to Christ and accepts Him as their Lord and Savior. 

[Sower]

7 hours ago, Neighbor said:

Watched it, not all that bad but is mostly  just  a presentation to sell a book. Okay I guess, everybody likes to make a buck.

 

7 hours ago, Neighbor said:

So the writer has him is going toward being evangelical Pentecostal is that right? The image of POTUS doing a Holy Spirit shuffle on  a Truth Social post crossed my mind as being just a tad humorous. I guess I can rely  on Franklln Graham to straighten him out if it happens.

Well, at least we can say you are consistent, I give you that......
If you make it to heaven and see Trump, I think you will still doubt him.
If you meet king David there, would you give him a piece of your mind about his failings?

Trump lives in a glass house. The Public knows when he spits on the side walk. Imagine, if you can.
What would you feel if we all knew all about you, Neighbor, all those sins you personally regret, not made public.
Think on that...
For myself, I would feel utter shame.        Brother..           And, Old age (for me) is no excuse.

I personally do not put Trump on any pedestal. For sure.  I agree with you that everybody will eventually let you down.
But have you considered your remarks here about Trump. What if.......?

Thanks ole timer......

 

[Patticats]

2 minutes ago, Sower said:

 

Well, at least we can say you are consistent, I give you that......
If you make it to heaven and see Trump, I think you will still doubt him.
If you meet king David there, would you give him a piece of your mind about his failings?

Trump lives in a glass house. The Public knows when he spits on the side walk. Imagine, if you can.
What would you feel if we all knew all about you, Neighbor, all those sins you personally regret, not made public.
Think on that...
For myself, I would feel utter shame.        Brother..           And, Old age (for me) is no excuse.

I personally do not put Trump on any pedestal. For sure.  I agree with you that everybody will eventually let you down.
But have you considered your remarks here about Trump. What if.......?

Thanks ole timer......

 

I agree 100 percent!! You got that right!!

[Patticats]

19 minutes ago, Sower said:

 

Well, at least we can say you are consistent, I give you that......
If you make it to heaven and see Trump, I think you will still doubt him.
If you meet king David there, would you give him a piece of your mind about his failings?

Trump lives in a glass house. The Public knows when he spits on the side walk. Imagine, if you can.
What would you feel if we all knew all about you, Neighbor, all those sins you personally regret, not made public.
Think on that...
For myself, I would feel utter shame.        Brother..           And, Old age (for me) is no excuse.

I personally do not put Trump on any pedestal. For sure.  I agree with you that everybody will eventually let you down.
But have you considered your remarks here about Trump. What if.......?

Thanks ole timer......

 

What did God call David? A man after God's own heart. 

[teddyv]

28 minutes ago, Patticats said:

Well Teddy I'm a Christian and not a Christian Nationalist. I support Trump also. It appears that you only want to see the negative in President Donald Tump. What if only others saw the negative in your life and other people's lives. Then we are even with Trump? As Chrisitans we are all held to the same standards including you, me and President Trump. We are all in need of Jesus to save us.

I don't really see a lot of positive in him when framing him as a Christian. It's not like he's just shown up a year or two ago and no one knew anything about him. He has demonstrated a typical pattern of behaviour since The Apprentice days.  I have not witnessed any growth or maturity. If anything, his worst traits are on full display right now.

I do question the fealty that evangelicals, in particular, have given to Trump. There is an almost cynical "ends justifying the means" attitude, and a large amount of hypocrisy.

As to you not being a CN, I never levelled that against you. I said that the CN people are heavily involved and it suits their agenda to frame him as Christian. These people are actually far more troubling to me than Trump. 

28 minutes ago, Patticats said:

As far as the  Episcopalian pastor she had an agenda even before the start. The people in charge had an agenda also.  As in the days Lot.. But, she only gave her opinions.

Even if what she said was not right (and I listened to it - it was not outrageous for a pastor to say what she said in that context), but the childish response to it is emblematic of everything that shows Trump to be boorish, childish, and a malignant narcissist.

28 minutes ago, Patticats said:

When you don't live US you don't get the clear picture. Only what Liberal News tells you.

When you live outside of the US, you do get a different view - but we get all the same media you can view, be it left, centre or right. This auto-assumption that I, or other critics, are only consuming what we want to here is unwarranted. You don't know that. I rarely watch CBC or Global, the big Canadian channels. I spent a lot of time on Twitter, so I got a lot of right-wing media. I've abandoned that place since the open racists and neo-Nazis started to invade my timeline. 

If you assume right-wing media like Fox, OAN etc. do not share the same issues that CNN, NBC etc. do, then that could be a blind spot.

28 minutes ago, Patticats said:

We're suppose to celebrate when someone come to Christ. And you have two people saying President Trump is a Christian. God is our Judge and he knows our heart. We can't say someone isn't because we aren't God. 

That's fair enough, and I think I even expressed that in my post, which you may have missed. I just don't really see much convincing fruit of the Spirit on display which is how we are can at least make a general appraisal.

Eg.

[Neighbor]

1 hour ago, Sower said:

But have you considered your remarks here about Trump. What if.......?

Hi, Just what "remarks" are you referencing? I simply watched a video, noted the commentator's statement that Trump is influenced by evangelical Pentecostals.

[angels4u]

46 minutes ago, Neighbor said:

Hi, Just what "remarks" are you referencing? I simply watched a video, noted the commentator's statement that Trump is influenced by evangelical Pentecostals.

Only God knows somebodies heart ,the first will be last and the last will be first. We're told to pray for our authorities. We all have a weak and strong points and God is not finished with me,DT or you yet.....

Therefore, my beloved, as you have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;Phil 2:12
 

 

[Sower]

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[angels4u]

1 hour ago, Sower said:

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[Sower]

54 minutes ago, angels4u said:

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"."  I agree angel, thanks.....

Thought it was time for a 'Quick to listen, slow to speak' moment....

The good man brings good things out of his good store of treasure, and the evil man brings evil things out of his evil store of treasure.

     I tell you, on the day of judgment people will give account for every careless word they speak,

             for by your words you will be justified, and by your words you will be condemned.”    Matthew 12:35-37

I apply this to myself, and consider. Lest I forget.    Again, how I judge, I'll be judged.  God's words.