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7 hours ago, Luther said:

It's worth alot....This is a Bible study, and nothing else can be more important these days! I understand that Rome has the appearance of much prophetic fulfillment. Recently I was " red pilled" by a Christian friend on the subject of history, and how it has been manipulated by those who have had control of the world banks and the media. They are the children of the devil, the spiritual seed of Cain. They used different names and hijacked the Old testament for their goal of deceiving Christians in the last days, to help them bring forth their world order/ government with their laws. 

Islam and Catholisim play a part but they don't run the banks. 

666 = SIX SIDES....SIX ANGLES...SIX POINTS. I believe that is the mark.

 

 

 

Very kind of you to say that! God bless.

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On 2/8/2025 at 5:49 PM, towardseight said:

It is one of the greatest mysteries in the world. The number 666 - what is it? In Revelation 13:18, the author challenges the reader: "Here is wisdom. Let him who has understanding calculate the number of the beast, for it is a human number; and its number is 666."

Like the stars in the sky and like the sand on the sea, so many people have tried to solve this mystery. Now listen to me: I have the solution to this mystery. The solution: The name behind the number 666 is EUPORIA. The Gematria of Euporia in Greek is 666. The word means "riches, means, wealth". In Greek it is ΕΥΠΟΡΙΑ.

Ε (Epsilon): 5
Υ (Upsilon): 400
Π (Pi): 80
Ο (Omicron): 70
Ρ (Rho): 100
Ι (Iota): 10
Α (Alpha): 1
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Total 666

Reason why Gematria is the way to solve 666: Revelation 13:17-18 says that 666 is the number of a name and that we need to count the number to find out what the name is. This is Gematria. In Gematria each letters of a word has a value and if you count the values you get a number.

Just a few corrections to this OP:

On 2/8/2025 at 5:49 PM, towardseight said:

Since we know that 666 is the number of the beast of the sea, we can conclude that it cannot be a single person.

This is just an opinion, without evidence.  Rev 13:5 tells us that the sea beast was given the authority to rule for 42 months.  There is no way this sea beast has been around for a long time.  Even though you states:  "So 666 has been around for a long time, since the first kingdom, the first head. "

On 2/8/2025 at 5:49 PM, towardseight said:

The sea beast with the seven heads is a composition of seven different kingdoms.

So all 7 kingdoms are going to exercise their authority for 42 months??  Is that at the same time, or in succession, or what?  

On 2/8/2025 at 5:49 PM, towardseight said:

 

666 is Euporia because Euporia stands for putting your own well-being above the truth. Is your own life more important to you than the truth? Don't you want to suffer and die for the truth? Then you have already accepted 666.

This doesn't make sense with your words above, claiming that 666 is 7 kingdoms.  Now 666 simply "stands for putting one's own well-being above the truth".  Please make up your mind.

On 2/8/2025 at 5:49 PM, towardseight said:

You cannot live a good life in this world and follow the truth at the same time because that is a contradiction.

Please read the book of Job.  He was an extremely wealthy man who had the opportunity to prove to the devil wrong.  And then God blessed him with FAR MORE wealth after than he had before.

On 2/8/2025 at 5:49 PM, towardseight said:

This world belongs to the devil and if you are wealthy then that means you are doing what the devil wants.

The Bible says:  In the land of Uz there lived a man whose name was Job. This man was blameless and upright; he feared God and shunned evil.

This verse refutes your claim.

On 2/8/2025 at 5:49 PM, towardseight said:

In Luke 18:22-27 Jesus said that a camel would rather go through the eye of a needle than a rich man enter paradise. This makes it clear that the rich cannot enter paradise because it is impossible for a camel to go through the eye of a needle.

Seems you don't understand what the "eye of the needle" referred to in the ancient world.  From:  https://www.gotquestions.org/camel-eye-needle.html

"Jesus’ message is clear—it is impossible for anyone to be saved on his own merits. Since wealth was seen as proof of God’s approval, it was commonly taught by the rabbis that rich people were blessed by God and were, therefore, the most likely candidates for heaven. Jesus destroyed that notion, and along with it, the idea that anyone can earn eternal life. The disciples had the appropriate response to this startling statement. They were utterly amazed and asked, “Who then can be saved?” in the next verse. If the wealthy among them, which included the super-spiritual Pharisees and scribes, were unworthy of heaven, what hope was there for a poor man?"

On 2/8/2025 at 5:49 PM, towardseight said:

The devil owns the world (Luke 4:5-7). The devil is the king of the world. 

The verses say that Satan had the authority to give all the authority and splendor of all the kingdoms of the world.  Not that he "owns the world".  He has been trying to take control of the whole world since Adam.

1 John 5:19 says -

King James Bible
And we know that we are of God, and the whole world lieth in wickedness.

New King James Version
We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.

Christian Standard Bible
We know that we are of God, and the whole world is under the sway of the evil one.

Holman Christian Standard Bible
We know that we are of God, and the whole world is under the sway of the evil one. 

On 2/8/2025 at 5:49 PM, towardseight said:

See King Solomon, the man who left God and started to worship demons and even sacrificed humans (1 Kings 11:4-8). But why did he become so evil? In 1 Kings 10:23 is the answer: "So King Solomon became greater than all the kings of the earth in wealth and in wisdom." Wealth and wisdom made him evil, made him to a wicked man. If you accept 666(=Euporia) you'll become evil because prosperity separates you from God. Solomon was separated from God when he became wealthy and intelligence. Remember the garden of Eden when the serpent told Eve to eat from the tree of knowledge. God warned Adam and Eve not to gain wisdom, but instead of obeying God they gained wisdom by eating from the tree of knowledge which opened their eyes to recognize that they are naked. Before that Adam and Eve had no wisdom, they were like children. That's why Jesus said "Be like children".

Read Ecclesiastes, where Solomon returned to his senses.  He was a believer.  Even before his slide into carnality.

On 2/8/2025 at 5:49 PM, towardseight said:

 

I am confident that modern science is satanism. Internet is satanism. Hollywood is satanism. Computers and smartphones are satanism. All these innovations are satanism. And who created all these things? The smartest people of the world.

Quite a leap, it seems.  All these things have been used for spreading the gospel.  Please don't think for a minute that satan would create anything to be used to spread the gospel.  Yes, they have been corrupted by corrupted minds.  No doubt about that.

On 2/8/2025 at 5:49 PM, towardseight said:

I have explained wonderfully and very nicely that Euporia is 666.

Please explain why John wrote this about Mr 666:

Rev 19:20 - But the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who had performed the signs on its behalf. With these signs he had deluded those who had received the mark of the beast and worshiped its image. The two of them were thrown alive into the fiery lake of burning sulfur.

I look forward to more wonderful explanations.


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On 5/31/2025 at 5:05 PM, FreeGrace said:

Rev 13:5 tells us that the sea beast was given the authority to rule for 42 months.  There is no way this sea beast has been around for a long time.  Even though you states:  "So 666 has been around for a long time, since the first kingdom, the first head. "

Actually, a closer reading of Rev. 13:5 --

And it was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and it was given authority to continue for forty-two months...

-- shows that the antecedent to the second "it" is "mouth," not beast.

The Mouth of the Beast

So the Beast and the False Prophet are rebellious fallen angels, not men. However, the Beast will be

Revelation 13:5 …given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies… 6 …against God… 5 …and he [will be] given authority for 42 months [= 1260 days]. 7 It [will be] granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. 

A biblical precedent for a spokesman being called a mouth is found in the case of Moses and Aaron:

Exodus 4:16 …he [Aaron] shall speak for you [Moses] unto the people…he himself shall be to you for a mouth

The mouth/spokesman of Revelation 13:5 was previously revealed to the prophet Daniel in his vision of Daniel 7. He is the Little Horn of verses 7 and following, who is described in phrases nearly identical to those in Revelation 13:5-7 above –

Daniel 7:8 “…[having] eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words… 25 …against the Most High. He shall afflict the saints of the Most High…and they shall be given into his hand for a time and times and half a time [= 1260 days].” 26 Then the [heavenly] court shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion…

So this “horn” will be the spokesman/mouthpiece of the Beast, and not be the Beast itself. He will be a servant of the Beast-spirit. He will either be a man or a Nephil, that is, an angel-man hybrid; or possibly a descendant of a Nephil. The term horn is commonly used throughout Scripture to denote a powerful human leader. For example, “horn of David” is a term used for Christ. Luke 1:69; Ps. 132:17

The Mouth of the Beast = the Little Horn will rule for only 3½ times = 42 months = 1260 days, up to the 7th Trumpet. Rev. 13:5; 11:3, 7, 15ff.; Dan. 7:25-26; 12:7 At that point, which fulfills “the time of Jacob’s trouble,” the Little Horn’s dominion is “taken away,” and he disappears from view in both the visions of Daniel and Revelation. However, the Beast, which is a spirit, will outlast him, and not meet his final doom until the Judgment of the 7th Bowl, the Battle of Armageddon.    

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2801-the-beast-part-6-the-mouth-of-the-beast/

 


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Posted
14 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

Actually, a closer reading of Rev. 13:5 --

And it was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and it was given authority to continue for forty-two months...

-- shows that the antecedent to the second "it" is "mouth," not beast.

The two "it"s refer to the sea beast.

14 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

The Mouth of the Beast

So the Beast and the False Prophet are rebellious fallen angels, not men. However, the Beast will be

Revelation 13:5 …given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies… 6 …against God… 5 …and he [will be] given authority for 42 months [= 1260 days]. 7 It [will be] granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. 

A biblical precedent for a spokesman being called a mouth is found in the case of Moses and Aaron:

Exodus 4:16 …he [Aaron] shall speak for you [Moses] unto the people…he himself shall be to you for a mouth

The mouth/spokesman of Revelation 13:5 was previously revealed to the prophet Daniel in his vision of Daniel 7. He is the Little Horn of verses 7 and following, who is described in phrases nearly identical to those in Revelation 13:5-7 above –

Daniel 7:8 “…[having] eyes like the eyes of a man, and a mouth speaking pompous words… 25 …against the Most High. He shall afflict the saints of the Most High…and they shall be given into his hand for a time and times and half a time [= 1260 days].” 26 Then the [heavenly] court shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion…

So this “horn” will be the spokesman/mouthpiece of the Beast, and not be the Beast itself. He will be a servant of the Beast-spirit. He will either be a man or a Nephil, that is, an angel-man hybrid; or possibly a descendant of a Nephil. The term horn is commonly used throughout Scripture to denote a powerful human leader. For example, “horn of David” is a term used for Christ. Luke 1:69; Ps. 132:17

The Mouth of the Beast = the Little Horn will rule for only 3½ times = 42 months = 1260 days, up to the 7th Trumpet. Rev. 13:5; 11:3, 7, 15ff.; Dan. 7:25-26; 12:7 At that point, which fulfills “the time of Jacob’s trouble,” the Little Horn’s dominion is “taken away,” and he disappears from view in both the visions of Daniel and Revelation. However, the Beast, which is a spirit, will outlast him, and not meet his final doom until the Judgment of the 7th Bowl, the Battle of Armageddon.    

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2801-the-beast-part-6-the-mouth-of-the-beast/

How does one come to the conclusion that the sea and land beasts are fallen angels?


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Posted (edited)
6 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

The two "it"s refer to the sea beast.

So you claim.

6 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

How does one come to the conclusion that the sea and land beasts are fallen angels?

By means of researching out all of the biblical and historical evidence. Not merely a small part of it. Explained in a 8-part series of blog posts, the first four being these:

68. The Beast Is Not a (Seven-Headed!) Man, Part 1

Explains why the Beast of Revelation 13 cannot be a man, and reveals who and what it really is. https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2778-the-beast-is-not-a-seven-headed-man-part-1/

69. The Beast, Part 2: Its Seven Heads https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2779-the-beast-part-2-its-seven-heads/

70. The Beast, Part 3: Who IS the Beast? https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2780-the-beast-part-3-who-is-the-beast/

71. The Beast, Part 4: Azazel and the Abyss https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2786-the-beast-part-4-azazel-and-the-abyss/

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1 hour ago, WilliamL said:

So you claim.

Seems clear enough in the words themselves.  

1 hour ago, WilliamL said:

By means of researching out all of the biblical and historical evidence. Not merely a small part of it. Explained in a 8-part series of blog posts, the first four being these:

68. The Beast Is Not a (Seven-Headed!) Man, Part 1

Explains why the Beast of Revelation 13 cannot be a man, and reveals who and what it really is. https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2778-the-beast-is-not-a-seven-headed-man-part-1/

69. The Beast, Part 2: Its Seven Heads https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2779-the-beast-part-2-its-seven-heads/

70. The Beast, Part 3: Who IS the Beast? https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2780-the-beast-part-3-who-is-the-beast/

71. The Beast, Part 4: Azazel and the Abyss https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2786-the-beast-part-4-azazel-and-the-abyss/

The best part of all this is that when the tribulation does begin to unfold, all the figures of speech and metaphors will be seen for who/what they are.  Some people fret over the name of the beast (what the 666 means).

Really doesn't matter now anyway.

What should matter is the order of things.  Which the Bible lays out nicely.


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1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

What should matter is the order of things.  Which the Bible lays out nicely.

That resonates with me simply because I follow sequences, as much as my powers of observation and deduction allow. 

Many years ago my personal Bible study kept coming back to the mark of the beast and the number 666 having significance due to its wisdom.

Rev 13:18  Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast:

I researched the use of the word wisdom, which in English shares its etymology with the word wizard. 

Both wisdom and wizard trace their origins to the Old English word "wis", meaning "wise" or "knowledgeable."

  • Wisdom comes from Old English wīsdōm, where wīs means "wise" and -dōm is a suffix denoting a state or condition (as in "freedom" or "kingdom"). It has always referred to intelligence, good judgment, and deep understanding.

  • Wizard originally meant "wise person" in Middle English (wysard), combining wīs ("wise") with -ard, a suffix often used for people (like "coward" or "drunkard"). Over time, the meaning shifted to refer specifically to someone skilled in magic.

So, a wizard was once just a wise person—but somewhere along the way, wisdom got a little more mystical.

Wisdom and Understanding: Sophia and Nous in Greek.

Count: 

Strong G5585
ψηφίζω
psēphizō
psay-fid'-zo
From G5586; to use pebbles in enumeration, that is, (genitive case) to compute: - count.
Total KJV occurrences: 2

Pebbles:

The use of pebbles for voting dates back to ancient Greece and Rome. The Greek word "pséphos" (ψῆφος) literally means "pebble" and was used to refer to votes.

In ancient Athens, citizens would cast their votes using small stones or pebbles. A common method involved dropping a pebble into one of two urns—one for approval and one for rejection. This ensured a simple and effective way to tally votes while maintaining secrecy. Similarly, in Roman courts, black pebbles were used to signify condemnation, while white pebbles indicated acquittal.

This practice influenced modern voting terminology. The word "ballot" comes from the medieval French ballotte, meaning "small ball," preserving the tradition of using objects to cast votes.

Voting:

Those who receive the mark of the beast, which I believe does allude directly, or indirectly, to the number 666, are in effect voting for a Blasphemous Empire Actualising Satanic Tyranny ( Here is wisdom, as in using information in a knowledgeable way).

The Number Itself:

A cumulative sequence 1+2+3+ . . . 36 =666

3 symbolises Combined Strength

6 symbolises Human Existence

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10 hours ago, Michael37 said:

FreeGrace said:

What should matter is the order of things.  Which the Bible lays out nicely.

That resonates with me simply because I follow sequences, as much as my powers of observation and deduction allow.

Thanks.  I appreciate the fact that the Bible has given enough information to be able to understand the order of things re:  end times.

Seems to me only the people who will experience the Tribulation will have all the context to understand the symbolism and figures of speech John used when describing it.

10 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Many years ago my personal Bible study kept coming back to the mark of the beast and the number 666 having significance due to its wisdom.

Rev 13:18  Here is wisdom. Let him that has understanding count the number of the beast:

I researched the use of the word wisdom, which in English shares its etymology with the word wizard. 

Both wisdom and wizard trace their origins to the Old English word "wis", meaning "wise" or "knowledgeable."

  • Wisdom comes from Old English wīsdōm, where wīs means "wise" and -dōm is a suffix denoting a state or condition (as in "freedom" or "kingdom"). It has always referred to intelligence, good judgment, and deep understanding.

  • Wizard originally meant "wise person" in Middle English (wysard), combining wīs ("wise") with -ard, a suffix often used for people (like "coward" or "drunkard"). Over time, the meaning shifted to refer specifically to someone skilled in magic.

So, a wizard was once just a wise person—but somewhere along the way, wisdom got a little more mystical.

Wisdom and Understanding: Sophia and Nous in Greek.

Count: 

Strong G5585
ψηφίζω
psēphizō
psay-fid'-zo
From G5586; to use pebbles in enumeration, that is, (genitive case) to compute: - count.
Total KJV occurrences: 2

Pebbles:

The use of pebbles for voting dates back to ancient Greece and Rome. The Greek word "pséphos" (ψῆφος) literally means "pebble" and was used to refer to votes.

In ancient Athens, citizens would cast their votes using small stones or pebbles. A common method involved dropping a pebble into one of two urns—one for approval and one for rejection. This ensured a simple and effective way to tally votes while maintaining secrecy. Similarly, in Roman courts, black pebbles were used to signify condemnation, while white pebbles indicated acquittal.

This practice influenced modern voting terminology. The word "ballot" comes from the medieval French ballotte, meaning "small ball," preserving the tradition of using objects to cast votes.

Very interesting!  Thanks.

10 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Voting:

Those who receive the mark of the beast, which I believe does allude directly, or indirectly, to the number 666, are in effect voting for a Blasphemous Empire Actualising Satanic Tyranny ( Here is wisdom, as in using information in a knowledgeable way).

How do you define the # of the beast?  The Bible defines it as the # of a man.

10 hours ago, Michael37 said:

The Number Itself:

A cumulative sequence 1+2+3+ . . . 36 =666

3 symbolises Combined Strength

6 symbolises Human Existence

FOOD FOR THOUGHT

Munch, munch, munch!


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25 minutes ago, FreeGrace said:

How do you define the # of the beast?  The Bible defines it as the # of a man.

Hypothetically, it's no problem to work with numerology, gematria, and names so they combine with a person of interest who embraces the kingdom of the beast, and is seemingly a pre-arranged candidate for the position of false prophet, when that which restrains (common sense) and He who restrains (the Holy Spirit), are taken out of the way.


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Or…

The Hebrew transliteration of the Latin spelling of “Nero Caesar” totals 616, just as the Hebrew transliteration of the Greek, which includes an additional letter (Greek: “n”=50, English transliteration: “n”=50), renders 666. Thus, two seemingly unrelated numbers lead you to the same doorstep—that of a beast named Nero Caesar.

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      Here we learn a lesson that in order to plunder one's house you must first BIND up the strongman.  While we realize in this particular passage this is referring to God binding up the strongman (Satan) and this is how Satan's house is plundered.  But if you carefully analyze the enemy -- you realize that he uses the same tactics on us!  Your house cannot be plundered -- unless you are first bound.   And then Satan can plunder your house!

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    • Daniel: Pictures of the Resurrection, Part 3

      Shalom everyone,

      As we continue this study, I'll be focusing on Daniel and his picture of the resurrection and its connection with Yeshua (Jesus). 

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    • Abraham and Issac: Pictures of the Resurrection, Part 2
      Shalom everyone,

      As we continue this series the next obvious sign of the resurrection in the Old Testament is the sign of Isaac and Abraham.

      Gen 22:1  After these things God tested Abraham and said to him, "Abraham!" And he said, "Here I am."
      Gen 22:2  He said, "Take your son, your only son Isaac, whom you love, and go to the land of Moriah, and offer him there as a burnt offering on one of the mountains of which I shall tell you."

      So God "tests" Abraham and as a perfect picture of the coming sacrifice of God's only begotten Son (Yeshua - Jesus) God instructs Issac to go and sacrifice his son, Issac.  Where does he say to offer him?  On Moriah -- the exact location of the Temple Mount.

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