The 'sin of Adam' by which we are condemned is 'Unbelief.'

[PATrobas]

Reminders Definitions - Nature

            Webster defines the nature of something as “The qualities and attributes which make a thing what it is.” We have the qualities and attributes of human beings, not plants or animals. We come from a human father, Adam, thus, we have his nature. This nature affects not just physical attributes but also influences the soul and spirit of man. Man has a human body, a human soul, (made up of a mind, a will, and emotions,) and a human spirit, (the place of communion with God.) In addition to, and as a part of Adam’s nature, we have a conscience which is natural man’s moral compass. Once reborn, the conscience is supplanted by the superior role of the Holy Spirit.

            Before the fall, Adam and Eve were alive in body, soul, and spirit. They had God’s nature and walked in perfect union with Him. When they disbelieved God, they became condemned. Then, their nature was changed and they ate of the forbidden fruit. God’s spiritual economy of faith for acceptance, was usurped by Satan’s counterfeit ‘good outweighing evil’ religious economy. Satan’s religion, is for man to try hard and have more good deeds than bad to please God. But Scripture says, “Without faith it is impossible to please Him.” ^{Hebrews 11:6} After losing their righteousness, Adam and Eve sought to hide from God ^{Genesis 3:9-10} and covered the result of their sinful nature with the fig leaves of good works. ^{Genesis 3:7} But God rejected their good works and restored righteousness to them by covering them with animal skins. These were provided by the shed blood of an innocent animal, a type of the future sacrifice of Christ. Today, nothing has changed. God’s nature and will is that man would receive the righteousness provided by the shed blood of the Righteous One, Jesus. Our old nature and will is to hide behind the self-righteousness of good works. Scripture tells us that mankind is condemned because we have Adam’s nature. ^{Ephesians 2:3} Before we were born, we were condemned. ^{Psalm 51:5} The sins we commit don’t condemn us, Adam’s unbelief, passed down to us through his nature, condemns us. Sins are just the result of being in Adam and having his nature. There is only one solution: man must have a change of nature. How can that happen? By being “born again.” ^{John 3:7} Our human birth gave us Adam’s nature that only produces sins. ^{Romans 5:12, 14:23} The second birth gives us God’s new nature that only produces righteousness. ^{1 John 3:9} When we are born again by faith, the Holy Spirit baptizes us into the body of Christ. ^{1 Corinthians 12:13} We are taken ‘out of Adam’ and are placed ‘in Christ.’ ^{2 Corinthians 5:17} We were dead in Adam, now we have eternal life in Christ. ^{1 Corinthians 15:22}

            Final Thoughts: “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believes in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. He that believes on him is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.” ^{John 3:16-18} Faith decides where we spend eternity. We either remain in Adam with his nature, or are born again by faith with God’s new nature.     _ph

[enoob57]

So, Question for you brother:
God said this
Genesis 2:17 (KJV)

[17] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

 People get bogged down in the mechanics of Yowm   but shouldn't... the context itself defines the word... for the focus is upon eating what was forbidden and thus it is a point in time to that very thing!  Some use smoke and mirrors to 'dying thou shalt die' yet it changes nothing in contextual focus ...  eating of-thus focal in that moment... people get diffused by body death that has nothing to do with anything as it is of the created substance dirt... but the focus should be upon the essence of what made the dirt contain a living soul that is the focal subject of all eternity~ why because the dirt can be removed and completely forgotten where as the eternity is transference of s/Spirit into a newness not now assessable to the mind 

1 Corinthians 2:9 (KJV)

[9] But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

and is the eternal keeping (God's essence of breath)

John 4:23 (KJV)

[23] But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

[24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

As God can have no part with lie and it's fruit sin... 

1 John 1:5 (KJV)

[5] This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Thus, in the moment they ate they became lie and that which was life (Spirit, breath of God) left them and they became separate from God... The inner man connected with 'The Breath of God' became a void with no resource but that of flesh to glean from...

Do you believe this?

 

[PATrobas]

48 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

So, Question for you brother:
God said this
Genesis 2:17 (KJV)

[17] But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die.

 People get bogged down in the mechanics of Yowm   but shouldn't... the context itself defines the word... for the focus is upon eating what was forbidden and thus it is a point in time to that very thing!  Some use smoke and mirrors to 'dying thou shalt die' yet it changes nothing in contextual focus ...  eating of-thus focal in that moment... people get diffused by body death that has nothing to do with anything as it is of the created substance dirt... but the focus should be upon the essence of what made the dirt contain a living soul that is the focal subject of all eternity~ why because the dirt can be removed and completely forgotten where as the eternity is transference of s/Spirit into a newness not now assessable to the mind 

1 Corinthians 2:9 (KJV)

[9] But as it is written, Eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love him.

 

and is the eternal keeping (God's essence of breath)

John 4:23 (KJV)

[23] But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

[24] God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.

As God can have no part with lie and it's fruit sin... 

1 John 1:5 (KJV)

[5] This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.

Thus, in the moment they ate they became lie and that which was life (Spirit, breath of God) left them and they became separate from God... The inner man connected with 'The Breath of God' became a void with no resource but that of flesh to glean from...

Do you believe this?

 

 

 

I believe that the moment they made the decision to eat was the moment they no longer believed God. Then, as a result of unbelief they followed through by eating/sinning. The sin of Adam that separated him from God was his unbelief, which was MANIFESTED in his eating of the forbidden fruit. They believed what Satan said, "Eat," rather than what God said i.e. "Don't eat" Gen. 2:17 The result of Faith is always righteousness/good works. The result of unbelief is always death and evil deeds/sins. Hence, John 3:18  He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.   Faith = Righteousness, not works, otherwise salvation would be by good works but it is not, it is by faith. The works, whether good or bad are a result of who we belive, God or the flesh/Satan. Obedience is a result of believing God. 

Jesus paid for the sins of the world. So, if it is sins that keep us from eternal life rather than unbelief, then everyone would be saved, but it isn't sins (plural) but sin (unbelief) that is the dividing line. We're dead before salvation because of Adam's SIN (unbelief), because we received his nature (are in Adam) and commit sins. When we believe the gospel, we receive eternal life because of the faith of Christ and we receive His new nature and thus do good works/produce righteous acts. We aren't sinners because we commit sins, we're sinners because we are in Adam. Likewise, we aren't righteous because we do good works, we do good works because we are in Christ.

[other one]

How can you hold Adam responsible as an unbeliever, when he did not have the ability to even understand right from wrong (good/evil).       It was the knowledge of sin that Adam received at that time.   Example they understood they were naked after eating, but were really guilty of nakedness before they understood.

I might add that God expected that from the start for we are scheduled to judge angels at the end and neither Adam or Eve were  made with the qualification to do that.   They were not leading a sinless life, they just didn't understand it until they ate of the fruit..

[PATrobas]

12 minutes ago, other one said:

How can you hold Adam responsible as an unbeliever, when he did not have the ability to even understand right from wrong (good/evil).       It was the knowledge of sin that Adam received at that time.   Example they understood they were naked after eating, but were really guilty of nakedness before they understood.

I might add that God expected that from the start for we are scheduled to judge angels at the end and neither Adam or Eve were  made with the qualification to do that.   They were not leading a sinless life, they just didn't understand it until they ate of the fruit..

Because it isn't doing good or bad that determines our relationship with God, it is belief or unbelief. Adam didn't need to know good and bad in order to walk with God because all he knew was perfection...a perfect walk with God. God requires perfection, not more good than bad. Thus, when we are born again we receive the Righteousness of Christ and are perfect by faith. Abraham believed God and it (faith) was counted to him for righteousness (Rom. 4:3)

It is unbelief that condemns us, not sins.

It is faith that makes us righteous, not good works.

[enoob57]

20 minutes ago, PATrobas said:

I believe that the moment they made the decision to eat was the moment they no longer believed God. Then, as a result of unbelief they followed through by eating/sinning.

What I love about God's Word is that it is of the whole a unified understanding...
Isaiah 28:10 (KJV)

[10] For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

so this:
1 Timothy 2:13 (KJV)

[13] For Adam was first formed, then Eve.

[14] And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.

Adam was full aware of his rebellion to God... what ever the motivation for him to do so is not listed in The Scripture but it was not of unbelief...

Seeing this how do you stand on your comment above?

 

[Anne2]

48 minutes ago, PATrobas said:

I believe that the moment they made the decision to eat was the moment they no longer believed God. Then, as a result of unbelief they followed through by eating/sinning. The sin of Adam that separated him from God was his unbelief, which was MANIFESTED in his eating of the forbidden fruit

 

I think Romans here agrees. Ro 14:23  And he that doubteth is damned if he eat, because he eateth not of faith: for whatsoever is not of faith is sin

 

 

[other one]

15 minutes ago, PATrobas said:

Because it isn't doing good or bad that determines our relationship with God, it is belief or unbelief. Adam didn't need to know good and bad in order to walk with God because all he knew was perfection...a perfect walk with God. God requires perfection, not more good than bad. Thus, when we are born again we receive the Righteousness of Christ and are perfect by faith. Abraham believed God and it (faith) was counted to him for righteousness (Rom. 4:3)

It is unbelief that condemns us, not sins.

It is faith that makes us righteous, not good works.

God had been walking around with them being naked and it was just fine.   If it was ok after eating of the fruit, then why did he make them coverings instead of just telling them it was ok.  Considering the whole Bible it's hard for me to not believe he intended to be that way.

Knowledge of sin came through Adam and forgiveness of sin came through Jesus.....    and all is just as it was intended to be.

[other one]

22 minutes ago, PATrobas said:

Because it isn't doing good or bad that determines our relationship with God, it is belief or unbelief. Adam didn't need to know good and bad in order to walk with God because all he knew was perfection...a perfect walk with God. God requires perfection, not more good than bad. Thus, when we are born again we receive the Righteousness of Christ and are perfect by faith. Abraham believed God and it (faith) was counted to him for righteousness (Rom. 4:3)

It is unbelief that condemns us, not sins.

It is faith that makes us righteous, not good works.

That's what happens when you listen to your woman.

[PATrobas]

22 minutes ago, other one said:

God had been walking around with them being naked and it was just fine.   If it was ok after eating of the fruit, then why did he make them coverings instead of just telling them it was ok.  Considering the whole Bible it's hard for me to not believe he intended to be that way.

Knowledge of sin came through Adam and forgiveness of sin came through Jesus.....    and all is just as it was intended to be.

OK, this is just me speaking here but follow me through. I believe that Adam and Eve were naked and not ashamed because they were covered with the shekina glory of God and their whole body glowed, just as Moses face did after being in the presence of God. This "glow" was the Righteousness of God. When they no longer believed God, they lost the righteousness/glory of God and "knew" they were naked. Thus, being "uncovered" they were 'afraid' and covered themselves with fig leaves and hid from God. God had to seek after them (they didn't seek Him) and He shed innocent blood to 'cover' them with a temporary foreshadow of the Righteousness of Christ.

There are consequences to sins. Loss of fellowship with God is the first.