A question for Worthy scholarship

[enoob57]

18 hours ago, enoob57 said:

So why in the place where there will be no condemnation and no flesh
Romans 8:1 (KJV)

[8:1] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 

should there be fear... especially where there's perfect love with Christ
1 John 4:18 (KJV)

[18] There is no fear in love; but perfect love casteth out fear: because fear hath torment. He that feareth is not made perfect in love.

This is what has raised questions for me and why I seek answers... and so far I am understanding that the passage 2Cor 5:10-11 is speaking of both places of Christ setting in judgment and 'We all' is addressing both groups in 2Cor 5:10-11...

If I am correct the verse would be more about encouragement toward evangelism for us the Church who will sit at rewards rather than those being judged for their works
Revelation 20:12 (KJV)

[12] And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.

This is what I am trying to find out… 

 

[Jaydub]

On 2/28/2025 at 6:44 AM, enoob57 said:

2 Corinthians 5:10 (KJV)

[10] For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

[11] Knowing therefore the terror of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.

seems to be speaking of about both events... due to the bad things being shown and terror of the Lord... 

Would this scripture be a problem, if the millennium was not literal and the second coming was the day of the Lord

[Michael37]

1 hour ago, Jaydub said:

Would this scripture be a problem, if the millennium was not literal and the second coming was the day of the Lord

No difference to Eternal Judgment.

[FreeGrace]

4 hours ago, enoob57 said:

enoob57 said:

So why in the place where there will be no condemnation and no flesh
Romans 8:1 (KJV)

[8:1] There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 

This is what I am trying to find out… 

It appears Rom 8:1 is referring to the ultimate condemnation, or the LOF, which won't be an issue for believers.

[enoob57]

16 hours ago, Jaydub said:

Would this scripture be a problem, if the millennium was not literal and the second coming was the day of the Lord

anyone can make up anything in their mind... Bible forbids this
2 Corinthians 10:5 (KJV)

[5] Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;

Take away the objectivity of Scripture and you have nothing left but a jumping off place to subjectivity! Like a great many "I feel it means this"... what good is that?
2 Peter 1:20 (KJV)

[20] Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
Scripture confirms Scripture
Isaiah 28:10 (KJV)

[10] For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

 

[enoob57]

1 hour ago, FreeGrace said:

It appears Rom 8:1 is referring to the ultimate condemnation, or the LOF, which won't be an issue for believers.

I can find nothing in the text to support this
In fact, with no parameters around the statement itself it should be universally applied to all!

[Michael37]

14 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

I can find nothing in the text to support this
In fact, with no parameters around the statement itself it should be universally applied to all!

Hi @enoob57 For your consideration regarding Romans 8

The death of Christ speaks condemnation on sinners but His resurrection speaks acquittal of them.

Quote from Matthew Henry

 1. His death: It is Christ that died. By the merit of his death he paid our debt; and the surety's payment is a good plea to an action of debt. It is Christ, an able all-sufficient Saviour.

2. His resurrection: Yea, rather, that has risen again. This is a much greater encouragement, for it is a convincing evidence that divine justice was satisfied by the merit of his death. His resurrection was his acquittance, it was a legal discharge. Therefore the apostle mentions it with a yea, rather. If he had died, and not risen again, we had been where we were.

3. His sitting at the right hand of God: He is even at the right hand of God - a further evidence that he has done his work, and a mighty encouragement to us in reference to all accusations, that we have a friend, such a friend, in court. At the right hand of God, which denotes that he is ready there - always at hand; and that he is ruling there - all power is given to him. Our friend is himself the judge.

4. The intercession which he makes there. He is there, not unconcerned about us, not forgetful of us, but making intercession. He is agent for us there, an advocate for us, to answer all accusations, to put in our plea, and to prosecute it with effect, to appear for us and to present our petitions

Rom 8:33-34  Who shall bring a charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies.  (34)  Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us.

My Notes on the Juxtaposition of Romans 8:

Romans 7: The Struggle with Sin

• This chapter focuses on the struggle between the law and sin. The Apostle Paul uses the analogy of marriage to explain how believers are released from the law's condemnation through Christ's death. He describes the internal conflict between wanting to do good but being thwarted by sinful nature. The chapter highlights the limitations of the law and the need for deliverance through Jesus Christ.

Romans 8: Life in the Spirit

• Romans 8 emphasizes the life-giving power of the Holy Spirit. It contrasts the life led by the flesh with the life led by the Spirit. Key themes include freedom from condemnation, the transformative work of the Spirit, adoption as God's children, and the assurance of God's love. This chapter provides hope and encouragement, asserting that nothing can separate believers from the love of God in Christ Jesus.

Romans 9: God's Sovereignty and Israel

• In this chapter, Paul addresses God's sovereignty in salvation and the role of Israel in God's redemptive plan. He discusses God's election and mercy, explaining that God's purposes and choices are beyond human understanding. Paul expresses sorrow over Israel's unbelief but affirms that God's promises to Israel have not failed. The chapter explores themes of divine justice, mercy, and the remnant of Israel.

These chapters collectively explore the themes of human struggle with sin, the transformative work of the Holy Spirit, and God's sovereign plan for salvation.

[enoob57]

2 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Romans 8: Life in the Spirit

• Romans 8 emphasizes the life-giving power of the Holy Spirit. It contrasts the life led by the flesh with the life led by the Spirit. Key themes include freedom from condemnation, the transformative work of the Spirit, adoption as God's children, and the assurance of God's love. This chapter provides hope and encouragement, asserting that nothing can separate believers from the love of God in Christ Jesus.

this would then indeed support universally to all born again believers in all times and places past the point of The Holy Spirits entrance Acts 2 ... 

[Michael37]

47 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

this would then indeed support universally to all born again believers in all times and places past the point of The Holy Spirits entrance Acts 2 ... 

I tend to emphasis the word "now" in my naming and claiming, confessing and possessing, and believing and receiving.

Rom 8:1  There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.
 

[FreeGrace]

12 hours ago, enoob57 said:

FreeGrace said:

It appears Rom 8:1 is referring to the ultimate condemnation, or the LOF, which won't be an issue for believers.

I can find nothing in the text to support this
In fact, with no parameters around the statement itself it should be universally applied to all!

Rom 8:1  There is therefore now no condemnation to those who are in Christ Jesus, who do not walk according to the flesh, but according to the Spirit.

The red words are clear to me.  
Which reminds me of 2 verses that say that condemnation is only for those who have never believed,

John 3:18 - Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son.

2 Thess 2:12 - and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

The phrase "have not believed" means "have never believed".

Those are who will be condemned.