Christ's kingdom will never be physically on this earth

[Anne2]

1 hour ago, Montana Marv said:

We still have the sun and moon today; for the Just and the Unjust.

During the Mill; the same Just and Unjust; yet Jesus Christ the King of Kings and Lord of Lords is the light.  Zech 14:6,7  - On that day there will be no light, no cold or frost.  It will be a unique day, without daytime or nighttime; a day known to the Lord.

In Christ

Montana Marv

What of these verses 

Jer 31:33  But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.
34  And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.
35  Thus saith the LORD, which giveth the sun for a light by day, and the ordinances of the moon and of the stars for a light by night, which divideth the sea when the waves thereof roar; The LORD of hosts is his name:
36  If those ordinances depart from before me, saith the LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before me for ever.

Jer 33:15  In those days, and at that time, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land.
16  In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness. {The LORD … : Heb. Jehovahtsidkenu }

A king
17 ¶  For thus saith the LORD; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel; {David … : Heb. There shall not be cut off from David }

A priesthood
18  Neither shall the priests the Levites want a man before me to offer burnt offerings, and to kindle meat offerings, and to do sacrifice continually.
 

The two families here are Judah, and Levi... ( kings/priests)

Jer 33:23  Moreover the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah, saying,
24  Considerest thou not what this people have spoken, saying, The two families which the LORD hath chosen, he hath even cast them off? thus they have despised my people, that they should be no more a nation before them.
25  Thus saith the LORD; If my covenant be not with day and night, and if I have not appointed the ordinances of heaven and earth;
26  Then will I cast away the seed of Jacob, and David my servant, so that I will not take any of his seed to be rulers over the seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob: for I will cause their captivity to return, and have mercy on them.
 

Zec 6:13  Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

1Pe 2:9  But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light: 

 

Mt 19:28  And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve tribes of Israel.

[Anne2]

On 5/29/2025 at 2:09 PM, WilliamL said:

Joseph, Part 4: “The Fullness of the Nations”

Genesis 48:19 …but truly his [Manasseh’s] younger brother [Ephraim] shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become the fullness of the nations.

Romans 11:25 …blindness in part has happened to Israel UNTIL the fullness/plērōma of the nations shall have come in. 26 And AFTER that all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant with them, when I shall take away their sins.

Oh I am so glad you brought this up.

 

On 5/29/2025 at 2:09 PM, WilliamL said:

The patriarchal prophecy by Jacob, when he made the sign of the cross with his hands upon the heads of Joseph’s sons Ephraim and Manasseh (Gen. 48:13ff.) – the first instance in the Bible of a laying on of hands – has a much greater significance for our times than most Christians and Jews realize.

One thing I noticed both shared a name.

Ge 48:16  The Angel which redeemed me from all evil, bless the lads; and let my name be named on them,

This name Israel

and the name of my fathers Abraham and Isaac;

These  also seem in this verse to share the same name on them: Israel?

Israel is also variously called ,,,Sons of Jacob, Sons of Israel, children of promise

Sons of Jacob are heirs, Sons of Israel is, the firstborn, children of promise to Abraham

and let them grow into a multitude in the midst of the earth.

1Ch 5:1  Now the sons of Reuben the firstborn of Israel, (for he was the firstborn; but, forasmuch as he defiled his father’s bed, his birthright was given unto the sons of Joseph the son of Israel: and the genealogy is not to be reckoned after the birthright.
1Ch 5:2  For Judah prevailed above his brethren, and of him came the chief ruler; but the birthright was Joseph’s:)

Rom 9:6   Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
7  Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
8  That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.
 

Edited May 31 by Anne2

[Luther]

2 hours ago, FreeGrace said:

For those who believe the title of this thread is true, how do you ignore Rev 20?

I would never ignore Revelation 20. I fully embrace it. But my method of interpretation is different than yours. 

[Luther]

On 5/29/2025 at 5:09 PM, WilliamL said:

...but we are given a prophetic description of the general time.

Which, of course, I wrote a blog about.

Joseph, Part 4: “The Fullness of the Nations”

Genesis 48:19 …but truly his [Manasseh’s] younger brother [Ephraim] shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become the fullness of the nations.

Romans 11:25 …blindness in part has happened to Israel UNTIL the fullness/plērōma of the nations shall have come in. 26 And AFTER that all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob: 27 For this is my covenant with them, when I shall take away their sins.

Ephesians 1:7 In Him [Jesus] we have redemption through His blood… 10 UNTO a dispensation of the fullness/plērōma of the times, to head up all things in Christ, both which are in heaven, and which are on earth, [even] in him.

Luke 21:24 And they [the Jews] shall fall by the edge of the sword, and shall be led away captive into all nations. And Jerusalem shall be being trodden down by the nations UNTIL the times of the nations be fulfilled/plērōthōsin.

The patriarchal prophecy by Jacob, when he made the sign of the cross with his hands upon the heads of Joseph’s sons Ephraim and Manasseh (Gen. 48:13ff.) – the first instance in the Bible of a laying on of hands – has a much greater significance for our times than most Christians and Jews realize. In part, because Jacob made Joseph “the Nazir/Consecrated One of his brothers” (Gen. 49:26), which consecration passed on through his sons. Christianity, the religion of the cross, was established in Britain by the mid-30’s A.D.

Paul prophesied in Romans 11:25 that when Jacob’s prophecy of “the fullness of the nations” reaches its fulfillment, then, essentially, the End of the Christian Age will come. For God will not begin to restore fallen Israelites to salvation until “AFTER” that time. That time being when the Gospel has been preached to “all the nations” of the earth (Matt. 28:19), primarily through the efforts of Anglo-American evangelists.

Matthew 24:24 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and THEN the end will come.

This worldwide evangelism only became possible through the international law-keeping established by the Pax Britannica and the Pax Americana. AFTER this prophesied era of the evangelization of the nations has been fulfilled, Jesus shall return in the clouds of heaven: then “every eye will see Him,” “all the tribes of the earth will wail,” and the Jews will “mourn for Him,” understanding that He is their Messiah “whom they pierced.” Rev. 1:7; Matt. 24:30; Zech. 12:10

So we should look around the world, and judge whether or not this part of Joseph’s destiny has been fulfilled, or is near to it. Is not the Anglo-American hegemony and its Christianity increasingly being resisted and replaced by an international hegemony of an anti-American and anti-Christian New World Order? If so, “the times of the nations” is near to its fulness.

You quoted: "  Genesis 48:19 …but truly his [Manasseh’s] younger brother [Ephraim] shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become the fullness of the nations."

Do you mind if I ask you what translation that is? 

[kwikphilly]

On 5/29/2025 at 4:16 PM, Luther said:

I think some people might get the wrong impression of how I feel about the Old Testament. I love the Old Testament. Absolutely love it (of course I have more love for the New Covenant). 

I love all the promises that God made to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and to their seed forever. They were great men of God most definitely. We are one family of God. In heaven, I know we're going to be focused on the Lord. I don't know if we're going to recognize Abraham or even anyone in our family for that matter. God says the former things are no longer remembered. Kind of mysterious. But I do know that if there's no more sorrow, there won't be any connection with the previous world because if we knew who was not In heaven we would have sadness. Make sense?

My sentiments exactly- its funny you mentioned possibly or more likely a probability of not recognizing people- or at least not how we understand it or imagine. So many people talk about seeing their loved ones again and the worry of not seeing loved ones becausd of their unbelief and so on. I always think to myself that our past affiliations have much sorrow attached,we won't remember

I am pretty certain that though I grieve the loss of many loved ones and I'm often deeply saddened by the thought of their destination I will not remember them at all- God Says all tears will be wiped away ,those tears I shed no I'll not know ever existed or surely there'd be sorrow in Heaven for sure

Of course it makes sense- at least it makes perfect sense to ME!

With love in Christ ,Kwik

[Your closest friendnt]

7 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Awareness that Christ the Lamb of God was slain to secure redemption for all who populate heaven is an eternal characteristic of Eternal Life.

The Eternal Worship of our Eternal Saviour, for another thread.

Bless are those who mourn because they will be comforted.

And indeed they were when they saw the resurrected Jesus Christ. They were glad and rejoiced. 

And we have a lot more to be glad because we are in the Eternal Life of Jesus Christ who will always The King of Kings and above all. 

All knees will bow down to him nothing absolutely nothing can ever and forever separate us from him. No even our doubts and our fears. Because he is Lord and above all. We are not afraid to stand in front of him. Because we will stand in front of him in His Name and He knows that. Even if we do not feel worthy He will all the time remember that He died for us. And He is going to say "come forth you are worthy to me because I died also for you. Be of good cheers. 

Edited June 1 by Your closest friendnt

[Anne2]

3 hours ago, Luther said:

You quoted: "  Genesis 48:19 …but truly his [Manasseh’s] younger brother [Ephraim] shall be greater than he, and his seed shall become the fullness of the nations."

Do you mind if I ask you what translation that is? 

The av

[Your closest friendnt]

17 hours ago, truth7t7 said:

The New Moons, Sabbath Days and Feast Of Tabernacles Will Be In The Eternal Kingdom In The New Heavens, Earth, Jerusalem

Isaiah 66:22-23KJV

22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.

23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

This is a prophetic quote.

Spoken while the earth was populated by Jews and the Gentiles. And the people lived in in the Old Heaven and Earth. And it was shed that the population of the Earth will not be distributed that the change will happen and the population of the Earth will continue as it was before. We will still have different Nations populating the Earth and we will still have the Jews. But also we will still have the Arabs and the Persians and Finicians and the Egyptians and the Greek and other Nations on the Earth. 

So as no one point to the structure of the people and the Nations of the World and say that we live in the New world. Because everything in the physical will be the same. 

People they will be living in the New world and the would not know it. 

In the Physical everything the same, life will be going on and on. 

But the Death of Jesus on the Cross it is the point when the New Earth was set in place. 

Since that time we are in the New World and the people have been living in the times of the New Earth. 

[FreeGrace]

9 hours ago, Luther said:

  FreeGrace said:

For those who believe the title of this thread is true, how do you ignore Rev 20?

I would never ignore Revelation 20. I fully embrace it. But my method of interpretation is different than yours. 

That's what I am looking for.  How do you "handle" the chapter?

[Luther]

7 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

This is a prophetic quote.

Spoken while the earth was populated by Jews and the Gentiles. And the people lived in in the Old Heaven and Earth. And it was shed that the population of the Earth will not be distributed that the change will happen and the population of the Earth will continue as it was before. We will still have different Nations populating the Earth and we will still have the Jews. But also we will still have the Arabs and the Persians and Finicians and the Egyptians and the Greek and other Nations on the Earth. 

So as no one point to the structure of the people and the Nations of the World and say that we live in the New world. Because everything in the physical will be the same. 

People they will be living in the New world and the would not know it. 

In the Physical everything the same, life will be going on and on. 

But the Death of Jesus on the Cross it is the point when the New Earth was set in place. 

Since that time we are in the New World and the people have been living in the times of the New Earth. 

You said : "  But the Death of Jesus on the Cross it is the point when the New Earth was set in place. 

Since that time we are in the New World and the people have been living in the times of the New Earth. "

 

2 Peter 3:12-13 KJV
Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

[13] Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

 

I would just keep reading the Bible and look for verses like these.