Yes, Jesus meant TODAY in his message to the thief on the cross

[AdHoc]

34 minutes ago, Locust said:

you may want to boil it down......so much unnecessary gibber jabber. 

I'm inclined to agree with you. I didn't do a good job on that one. I assumed to much of the reader. Only, how does one boil down such crucial scripture?

[AdHoc]

39 minutes ago, Locust said:

truely I tell you today, 

I hear you. We deviated. So back to theme. Every statement is made "today". Nobody uses grammar like this. Let's try;

I hear you today. We deviated today. So back to theme today ... and so on. The Holy Spirit is a Master of language and does not state the obvious.

[Alive]

1 minute ago, AdHoc said:

I hear you. We deviated. So back to theme. Every statement is made "today". Nobody uses grammar like this. Let's try;

I hear you today. We deviated today. So back to theme today ... and so on. The Holy Spirit is a Master of language and does not state the obvious.

If I may…or, I tell you today…wait to hear what I tell you tomorrow.

He was just speaking normally.

[AdHoc]

1 hour ago, Alive said:

If I may…or, I tell you today…wait to hear what I tell you tomorrow.

He was just speaking normally.

Yes. But only because because of the rule of apposition. This is not given in our verse.

[Alive]

5 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

Yes. But only because because of the rule of apposition. This is not given in our verse.

Yup…at times any of us might leave the simple language in order to wrest a point or as evidence of such. I will repeat scripture is not written for geniuses, but simple folk…with the Helper in place.

[Locust]

it should be realised Jesus did not go any were on his own the day he died, nor did he go anywhere the next day. he was dead! 100% dead. it took an act of his God to turn him into spirit .

even so the paradise has not yet a thing on this earth

 

 

 

 

 

[Michael37]

41 minutes ago, Locust said:

it took an act of his God to turn him into spirit .

Please stick to the script:

Luk 23:46  Then Jesus called out in a loud voice, “Father, into Your hands I commit My Spirit.” And when He had said this, He breathed His last.

[Locust]

3 hours ago, Michael37 said:

Please stick to the script:

Luk 23:46  Then Jesus called out in a loud voice, “Father, into Your hands I commit My Spirit.” And when He had said this, He breathed His last.

spirit

1 of 2

noun

spir·it ˈspir-ət 

 

Synonyms of spirit

1

: an animating or vital principle held to give life to physical organisms

 

2

: a supernatural being or essence: such as

a

capitalized : holy spirit

b

: soul sense 2a

c

: an often malevolent being that is bodiless but can become visible

specifically : ghost sense 2

d

: a malevolent being that enters and possesses a human being

 

3

: temper or disposition of mind or outlook especially when vigorous or animated

in high spirits

 

 

4

: the immaterial intelligent or sentient part of a person

 

5

a

: the activating or essential principle influencing a person

acted in a spirit of helpfulness

 

b

: an inclination, impulse, or tendency of a specified kind : mood

 

6

a

: a special attitude or frame of mind

the money-making spirit was for a time driven back—J. A. Froude

 

b

: the feeling, quality, or disposition characterizing something

undertaken in a spirit of fun

 

 

7

: a lively or brisk quality in a person or a person's actions

 

8

: a person having a character or disposition of a specified nature

 

9

: a mental disposition characterized by firmness or assertiveness

denied the charge with spirit

 

 

10

a

: distillate sense 1: such as

(1)

: the liquid containing ethanol and water that is distilled from an alcoholic liquid or mash 

 

—often used in plural

(2)

: any of various volatile liquids obtained by distillation or cracking (as of petroleum, shale, or wood) 

 

—often used in plural

b

: a usually volatile organic solvent (such as an alcohol, ester, or hydrocarbon)

 

11

a

: prevailing tone or tendency

spirit of the age

 

b

: general intent or real meaning

spirit of the law

 

 

12

: an alcoholic solution of a volatile substance

spirit of camphor

 

 

13

: enthusiastic loyalty

school spirit

 

which spirit  do you want to use, there is more that one ?

[Michael37]

1 hour ago, Locust said:

which spirit  do you want to use, there is more that one ?

The Greek one used in the Bible verse I quoted.

[Frits]

9 hours ago, Alive said:

If I may…or, I tell you today…wait to hear what I tell you tomorrow.

He was just speaking normally.

Example to warn of fake text! 
Below corrupted text from Luke 4:21.

"And he began to say unto them this day: this scripture will be fulfilled in your ears." (NOT biblical!)

And now your Bible:

And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears. (Luke 4:21 KJV)

In the statement of the Lord Jesus Christ the perfect tense is emphasized. Not in a distant future but today.