the Resurrection

[AdHoc]

20 hours ago, Frits said:

What would be the use of the Lord Jesus Christ preaching His Gospel of repentance and salvation to the evil spirits (angels) from 1Pet 3:19? No use at all, and He would never do that.

Evil spirits do not repent to Him, and they are not shown mercy, as happened to people! We may conclude that from Heb 2:16

For verily he did not take on him the nature of angels; but he took on him the seed of Abraham.

The evil spirits from 1Pet 3:19 are chained to darkness by the Holy God with everlasting chains (Jude 1:6, 2Pet 2:4), and He does not go back on that decision! (Mal 3:6)

Indeed AdHoc, this helps.

Aaaahhhh .... my brother. Who said any thing about preaching the gospel of REPENTANCE? I showed Noah as a "preacher of righteousness - NOT GRACE! You have added something in your mind and then accused me!

But no matter ... no offense is taken

[Frits]

18 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

I'm loathe to get into a discussion about the Triune God simply because its' been fought over for centuries with no result.

I agree with you, a very wise decision!

[AdHoc]

22 hours ago, Locust said:

as for the resurrection of the dead , we all know of someone that had died . to welcome them back will be the greatest happiness .

 

19 hours ago, Who me said:

 

If you read what I wrote you would see I said " life in heaven!" And that means living people.

Yes. I should, but consider your first posting. You admit they are dead. In your second you have them "living". The Bible says; "The DEAD in Christ" James 2:26 says that a body without a spirit is dead. Jesus gave up His spirit to the Father and His body was placed in the tomb. Was he dead or living?

[Frits]

36 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

In Romans 8  it plainly states that the Holy Spirit raised up Jesus.

That is very true, but
may I ask you brother: What spirit raised you up this morning, was it your own spirit?
In other words, if the Holy Spirit raised up the Lord Jesus Christ, why was it not His Own Holy Spirit at that time? The Lord Jesus Christ is Holy, He was born of the Holy Spirit. (Matt. 1:18)

Edited March 13 by Frits

[Frits]

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

The sentence now says that at Jesus' time the Holy Spirit was not "YET". How so if He is eternal? Are you going to dismiss it? Are you going to deny it as untruth? Or are you going to maintain it as truth and admit the Holy Spirit was not yet as Jesus spoke?

John 7:39 is in brackets and was not spoken by the Lord Jesus Christ, it is a precious clarifying remark by His apostle John, but that is beside the point.

The Holy Spirit has always existed, He is from before all time, from before creation, unchangeable, and to all eternity! Verse 39 simply states that Pentecost was yet to come, that is all.

[Your closest friendnt]

@Frits Greetings 

         Jesus said something wonderful and he comunicated with the words "into your hands I leave my spirit ".

He forshowd his death, he comunicated to people that he will die and that it was the will of the Father.  Jesus said I will not come down from the Cross as many were waiting to see if it will happen, even the people who Crusified him and also his discipJesus were waiting to see if God will rescue him. 

Jesus with these words he said that I will die and it is all well with the Father, He will take care of me. My life is in his hands, I trust him from there on with my life because it is uncharted territory for me. I have never been there but all is well. 

And where I am going the FATHER WILL TAKE CARE OF ME. ALL IS WELL. 

And that time the people should remember that Jesus had given them the sign of Jonas. On the day of resurrection Jesus said to the woman and Peter I have not gone to the Father yet but I am going to the Father...The Father has not seen me yet. They show Jesus Christ before the Father or from the place of the dead in his way to the Father Jesus Christ let them see him before the Father. That's big, very big.

Jesus said that the Father is taken care of me and all is well with me because I have done what He had asked me. 

All will be well with me it is his will that I will die and I am in his obedience and in his care as I will descend to the place of the dead nothing will happen to me, no harm will come to me. I have done the will of the Father to be in the place of the dead and the Father will take care of everything. 

The sign of Jonas that Jesus at his death will descend in the place of the dead.  Their was only one way for Jesus to descend to the heart of the earth and this is to die like every one else who were there they went there after they died and never when alive. It has never happened in any other way. 

Jesus said to the women and to Peter that I have not descended to the Father yet. He was raised up from the dead and they showed him before the Father. 

James said: when our body can not sustain life and dies our spiritual self cannot remain in the dead body. 

Luke 23:46, Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, says "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit," and then he breathed his last. 

     >>>>> Psalm 31: 15 My times are in your hands; deliver me from the hands of my enemies, from those who pursue me. 16 Let your face shine on your servant; save me in your unfailing love. 17 Let me not be put to shame, LORD, for I have cried out to you; but let the wicked be put to shame and be silent in the realm of the dead.

    >>>Psalm 22: 9Yet you brought me out of the womb;
    you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.
10 From birth I was cast on you;
    from my mother’s womb you have been my God.

11 Do not be far from me,
    for trouble is near
    and there is no one to help.

12 Many bulls surround me;
    strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13 Roaring lions that tear their prey
    open their mouths wide against me.
14 I am poured out like water,
    and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
    it has melted within me.
15 My mouth[d] is dried up like a potsherd,
    and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
    you lay me in the dust of death.

16 Dogs surround me,
    a pack of villains encircles me;
    they pierce[e] my hands and my feet.
17 All my bones are on display;
    people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my clothes among them
    and cast lots for my garment.

      >>>Mathew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is to say, “My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?”

 MARK 15:34 - At three o’clock Jesus cried out with a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” 

John 19:28 After this, Jesus, [a]knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, “I thirst!” 29 Now a vessel full of sour wine was sitting there; and they filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on hyssop, and put it to His mouth.

John 19:25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus His mother, and His mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. 

Edited March 13 by Your closest friendnt

[Frits]

1 hour ago, Your closest friendnt said:

@Frits Greetings 

         Jesus said something wonderful and he comunicated with the words "into your hands I leave my spirit ".

He forshowd his death, he comunicated to people that he will die and that it was the will of the Father.  Jesus said I will not come down from the Cross as many were waiting to see if it will happen, even the people who Crusified him and also his discipJesus were waiting to see if God will rescue him. 

Jesus with these words he said that I will die and it is all well with the Father, He will take care of me. My life is in his hands, I trust him from there on with my life because it is uncharted territory for me. I have never been there but all is well. 

And where I am going the FATHER WILL TAKE CARE OF ME. ALL IS WELL. 

And that time the people should remember that Jesus had given them the sign of Jonas. On the day of resurrection Jesus said to the woman and Peter I have not gone to the Father yet but I am going to the Father...The Father has not seen me yet. They show Jesus Christ before the Father or from the place of the dead in his way to the Father Jesus Christ let them see him before the Father. That's big, very big.

Jesus said that the Father is taken care of me and all is well with me because I have done what He had asked me. 

All will be well with me it is his will that I will die and I am in his obedience and in his care as I will descend to the place of the dead nothing will happen to me, no harm will come to me. I have done the will of the Father to be in the place of the dead and the Father will take care of everything. 

The sign of Jonas that Jesus at his death will descend in the place of the dead.  Their was only one way for Jesus to descend to the heart of the earth and this is to die like every one else who were there they went there after they died and never when alive. It has never happened in any other way. 

Jesus said to the women and to Peter that I have not descended to the Father yet. He was raised up from the dead and they showed him before the Father. 

James said: when our body can not sustain life and dies our spiritual self cannot remain in the dead body. 

Luke 23:46, Jesus, crying out with a loud voice, says "Father, into your hands I commit my spirit," and then he breathed his last. 

     >>>>> Psalm 31: 15 My times are in your hands; deliver me from the hands of my enemies, from those who pursue me. 16 Let your face shine on your servant; save me in your unfailing love. 17 Let me not be put to shame, LORD, for I have cried out to you; but let the wicked be put to shame and be silent in the realm of the dead.

    >>>Psalm 22: 9Yet you brought me out of the womb;
    you made me trust in you, even at my mother’s breast.
10 From birth I was cast on you;
    from my mother’s womb you have been my God.

11 Do not be far from me,
    for trouble is near
    and there is no one to help.

12 Many bulls surround me;
    strong bulls of Bashan encircle me.
13 Roaring lions that tear their prey
    open their mouths wide against me.
14 I am poured out like water,
    and all my bones are out of joint.
My heart has turned to wax;
    it has melted within me.
15 My mouth[d] is dried up like a potsherd,
    and my tongue sticks to the roof of my mouth;
    you lay me in the dust of death.

16 Dogs surround me,
    a pack of villains encircles me;
    they pierce[e] my hands and my feet.
17 All my bones are on display;
    people stare and gloat over me.
18 They divide my clothes among them
    and cast lots for my garment.

      >>>Mathew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried out with a loud voice, saying, “Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” that is to say, “My God, My God, why hast Thou forsaken Me?”

 MARK 15:34 - At three o’clock Jesus cried out with a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” 

John 19:28 After this, Jesus, [a]knowing that all things were now accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, “I thirst!” 29 Now a vessel full of sour wine was sitting there; and they filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on hyssop, and put it to His mouth.

John 19:25 Now there stood by the cross of Jesus His mother, and His mother’s sister, Mary the wife of Clopas, and Mary Magdalene. 26 When Jesus therefore saw His mother, and the disciple whom He loved standing by, He said to His mother, “Woman, behold your son!” 27 Then He said to the disciple, “Behold your mother!” And from that hour that disciple took her to his own home. 

Thank you @Your closest friendnt, for these words from our Holy Bible!

[AdHoc]

6 hours ago, Frits said:

John 7:39 is in brackets and was not spoken by the Lord Jesus Christ, it is a precious clarifying remark by His apostle John, but that is beside the point.

The Holy Spirit has always existed, He is from before all time, from before creation, unchangeable, and to all eternity! Verse 39 simply states that Pentecost was yet to come, that is all.

Well, well. Either it is the inspired word of God, or it can be summarily dismissed.   Either we can drop our faith because the words are an afterthought of a man, or they stem from the Greatest mind, by far, in the universe, and are to taken word for word according to the rules of grammar that we use to make sense of language.

There is no allusion to Pentecost. This Spirit is the inwardly given Spirit given on Resurrection day in John 20:22. It is the Spirit that dwells in you, gives divine life and wells up out of you for the benefit of others - the Spirit predicted in John 14, not Joel. 

2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name (Ps.138:2).

[Locust]

37 minutes ago, AdHoc said:

Well, well. Either it is the inspired word of God, or it can be summarily dismissed.   Either we can drop our faith because the words are an afterthought of a man, or they stem from the Greatest mind, by far, in the universe, and are to taken word for word according to the rules of grammar that we use to make sense of language.

There is no allusion to Pentecost. This Spirit is the inwardly given Spirit given on Resurrection day in John 20:22. It is the Spirit that dwells in you, gives divine life and wells up out of you for the benefit of others - the Spirit predicted in John 14, not Joel. 

2 I will worship toward thy holy temple, and praise thy name for thy lovingkindness and for thy truth: for thou hast magnified thy word above all thy name (Ps.138:2).

The spirit you refer to ,the life force that remains in your body it's nothing more than biochemical electricity.

[Frits]

21 hours ago, Cntrysner said:

Some try to tear Christ asunder saying… His body was dead in the grave, His spirit returned to God, and His soul descended into hell. His divinity would disallow such a thing, Christ was not merely a man and became the life giving Spirit (1 Co 15:45). Christ took our sins into His flesh body and died in the flesh but not in His spirit or soul. Christ was never a damned disembodied spiritless soul and neither will we be if we are members of His ascended Body. God the Father was in Christ on the cross (2 Co 5:19) via the Holy Spirit and He never left Him.
 

The Lord Jesus Christ always remained 'the Righteous One', even when He hung on the cross of Golgotha and was mocked, tortured, and paid with His own body for the sins of the whole world! (John 1:29)
He remained righteous, but because of the great burden of sin of humanity, because of our sins, He had 'for a little while' (Heb. 2:9) laid aside His Godhead (Phil. 2:7) and died on the cross.
That was His voluntary choice (read John 10:17,18) and in fact, because of His own sinless life, the Lord Jesus Christ did not deserve this mockery and torture at all!
The Lord Jesus Christ had always met the demands of the law during His life on earth. He had always continued to love God and people, because whoever does that will live. (Luke 10:27, 28)
But despite this, the wages of sin were still paid to Him! 
While our Savior Jesus Christ did not deserve the death penalty, as an innocent man He fulfilled the Scripture:
'My God! My God! Why have You forsaken Me?' 
(Ps. 22:1)

I greet you kindly @Cntrysner