the Resurrection

[Locust]

8 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Please I would like to read that from the Bible version  with scripture of John 14:2,3, 4.

I want to see what you posted. That Jesus said only  the chosen ones will be gathered to be with Jesus and about the non chosen what ever you wrote about them if you really meant it or you are just kidding me. 

 

 

john 10:16“And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those too I must bring in, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.''

who are the other sheep?? jesus was talking to the apostles they are but the first to be chosen ,they are the first sheep . the ''other sheep'' of john 10 :16 are the ones seen in revelation 7:9

''After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands.''

they, the great crowd, are not in heaven ,they are on earth.they are  being watched over by the  chosen ones .

Matthew 19:28 Jesus said to them: “Truly I say to you, in the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will sit on 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel.

[Your closest friendnt]

1 hour ago, Locust said:

 

john 10:16“And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those too I must bring in, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.''

who are the other sheep?? jesus was talking to the apostles they are but the first to be chosen ,they are the first sheep . the ''other sheep'' of john 10 :16 are the ones seen in revelation 7:9

''After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands.''

they, the great crowd, are not in heaven ,they are on earth.they are  being watched over by the  chosen ones .

Matthew 19:28 Jesus said to them: “Truly I say to you, in the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will sit on 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel.

I will encourage you to take the time to study the context.

Because john 10:16“And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those too I must bring in, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock 0ne shepherd.''

The point is that they will become ONE FLOCK  with ONE SHEPHARD. 

Jesus with his death on the Cross he abolished the partition between the Jews and the Gentiles. 

We have Jewish believers and Gentile believers. These are the two flocks Jesus was talking about in John 10:16.

One Fold, the body of Jesus Christ, the church and one Sheppard, one Lord and One Savior, one Head , Jesus Christ. 

In Acts 2 on the day of Pentecost Peter preached the Gospel and the Jews and Israelis believed ONE FLOCK.

Later Peter in the house Cornelius preached the Gospel and the Gentiles believed. The OTHER FLOCK. Peter said you are saved the same way as we are. 

One FLOCK of Jews and Gentiles and ONE SHEPHARD.

ONE BODY AND ONE LORD AND SAVIOR JESUS CHRIST.  

ONE BODY AND ONE HEAD.

[Your closest friendnt]

3 hours ago, Locust said:

 

john 10:16“And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those too I must bring in, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.''

who are the other sheep?? jesus was talking to the apostles they are but the first to be chosen ,they are the first sheep . the ''other sheep'' of john 10 :16 are the ones seen in revelation 7:9

''After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands.''

they, the great crowd, are not in heaven ,they are on earth.they are  being watched over by the  chosen ones .

Matthew 19:28 Jesus said to them: “Truly I say to you, in the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will sit on 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel.

In John 10:1 Jesus is taking to Pharisees and the Jews and everyone who there because it was an open area. And of course the disciples were there and they heard him.

This happens before the death of Jesus Christ on the Cross and before the great commission and the day of Pentecost. 

The Jews are the one flock as in the day of Pentecost and the Gentiles are the other flock as in the day when Jesus sent Peter to the Gentile Cornelius and his friends and family. 

IMPORTANT to take notice that Jesus Christ said that the two flocks are made one flock with one Shepherd.  

1 Very truly I tell you Pharisees, anyone who does not enter the sheep pen by the gate, but climbs in by some other way, is a thief and a robber.

 6. Jesus used this figure of speech, but the Pharisees did not understand what he was telling them.

19 The Jews who heard these words were again divided

[AdHoc]

On 3/14/2025 at 6:20 PM, Frits said:

Br. AdHoc you are making statements here that are in conflict with the statements of the Lord Jesus Christ!
For (Gr.) Hadēs we call the realm of the dead, that is where death rules over sinners and where they must wait for the last judgment after their death.
But of those people who believe that the Lord Jesus Christ is the true God and love and worship Him, because of their great gratitude that they have been redeemed and saved by Him, of those justified people the Lord Jesus Christ says:

'Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.'
(John 8:51)

These faithful people will be with God, in His heavenly Kingdom! (read John 17:24)

Now brother, we shall see who has misread and from whom come conflicting statements.

You say,

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"Hades we call the realm of the dead and that is where death rules over sinners and where they must wait for the last judgment after their death"

1. Our Lord Jesus went there (Matt.12:40, Eph.4:8-10). By your statement you make Him a SINNER!
2. Our Lord went there. Does death rule over Him? How could it when, under and by His own power He escaped?
3. You say He must "wait". Is three days and nights a long time?

You quote John 8:51, so I ask you, did Paul keep Jesus' words and is he dead? In Revelation 20:4 are not men dead for the word of God? (v.4), or does this verse, in context, mean something else?. Do you agree that there are more than one death?

And you maintain that John 17:24 concerns God's HEAVENLY KINGDOM. From where do you have this? Here is the text; 

24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world. 25  O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. 26 And I have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them (Jn.17:24–26)

Look and see. It is all about where Jesus was AT THAT MOMENT. It is "where I AM" (present tense). This same phrase is used in John 14:10 and 14:20 to mean THE FATHER'S HOUSE. And the Father's House in the Bible is NEVER HEAVEN, nor is it His KINGDOM. Scripture says that the Father's House (Beth-el) is one of five things; 1. The Tabernacle, 2. the Temple, 3. the Body of Jesus, 4. the body of a Christian, and 5. the Church.

The gospel of John starts with seven things for the building of God's House. In Chapter 1 it introduces the them of Jacob's Dream at Bethel - God's House - built by men in resurrection. Chapter 14 to 17 is our Lord going away to prepare an "abode", and coming again to prepare a place - one of the many "abodes" in the Father's. The text has no talk of Christians gong to heaven, the kingdom of heaven. JESUS IS HE ONE GOING SOMEWHERE. We will just BE in Christ, Him in us, and the Father in us

Surely we should be careful with our words. It could very well be that we have totally missed what the Bible says, and because we don't see, we accuse others of blindness. Best is to stick exactly to what Christ or the Holy Spirit has said.

[Your closest friendnt]

4 hours ago, Locust said:

 

john 10:16“And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those too I must bring in, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.''

who are the other sheep?? jesus was talking to the apostles they are but the first to be chosen ,they are the first sheep . the ''other sheep'' of john 10 :16 are the ones seen in revelation 7:9

''After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands.''

they, the great crowd, are not in heaven ,they are on earth.

The great crowd is out from all nations of the world and the Jews or Israelites believers are also part of the great crowd. 

Then your statement 

("the great crowd, are not in heaven ,they are on earth.")

This is not what we have in Revelation 7:9-11.

It says that they are in Heaven worshiping Before the throne of God and the Lamb together with the Angels and elders and the four living creatures.

They are in Heaven. 

Revelation 7: 11 All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures.

They fell down on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 

 

[Anne2]

1 hour ago, AdHoc said:

24 Father, I will that they also, whom thou hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory, which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of the world.

 

What about Christ our high priest.. Could this apply to the musings in this thread at all?

Heb 1:3  Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high;

 Heb4:14  Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession.
15  For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin.
16  Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

Heb 6:17  Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath: {confirmed … : Gr. interposed himself by }
18  That by two immutable things, in which it was impossible for God to lie, we might have a strong consolation, who have fled for refuge to lay hold upon the hope set before us:
19  Which hope we have as an anchor of the soul, both sure and stedfast, and which entereth into that within the veil;
20  Whither the forerunner is for us entered, even Jesus, made an high priest for ever after the order of Melchisedec.
 

 Heb 8:4  For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:

[Your closest friendnt]

8 hours ago, Locust said:

 

john 10:16“And I have other sheep, which are not of this fold; those too I must bring in, and they will listen to my voice, and they will become one flock, one shepherd.''

who are the other sheep?? jesus was talking to the apostles they are but the first to be chosen ,they are the first sheep . the ''other sheep'' of john 10 :16 are the ones seen in revelation 7:9

''After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands.''

they, the great crowd, are not in heaven ,they are on earth.they are  being watched over by the  chosen ones .

Matthew 19:28 Jesus said to them: “Truly I say to you, in the re-creation, when the Son of man sits down on his glorious throne, you who have followed me will sit on 12 thrones, judging the 12 tribes of Israel.

The context of time is after Jesus Christ resurrection and ascension when the Father glorified Jesus Christ and sitted him on his right on his Throne. 

Acts 7:55- 56 But Stephen was filled with the Holy Spirit. He looked toward heaven, where he saw our glorious God and Jesus standing at his right side.[a] 56 Then Stephen said, “I see heaven open and the Son of Man standing at the right side of God!”

At the same time the disciples of Jesus went through out Judea and Samaria and Galilee and in many other parts of the world where the Jews and Israelites were scattered and they preached the Gospel to them. 

Those who did not believe and died in unbelief they stand in Judgement because the disciples are the witness that they did hear the Gospel of Jesus from them. They heard and they did not believe till the time of their death, they are without excuse. They heard the word of salvation by the disciples who stand as witness against them. They stand in Judgement by the preaching of the Gospel from the disciples.  

Jesus who was going through out Judea and Galilee and Samaria was preaching the things of the Kingdom of God. 

Jesus Christ knew that he will not be him to preach the Gospel to them and that he will sent his disciples to preach the Gospel to them and the Whole world. 

Jesus when he said I judged no one because he knew that not him but the disciples will preach the Gospel to them . And he said in this way because he knew that the people will stand in Judgement from the world they heard from the disciples and they knew they were his disciples and they did not believe at first and not there after till their death.  

[Frits]

16 hours ago, AdHoc said:

1. Our Lord Jesus went there (Matt.12:40, Eph.4:8-10). By your statement you make Him a SINNER!

The Lord Jesus Christ was certainly not a sinner, but as the Righteous One He received in His own body the wages of sin of countless unrighteous people. (Heb.10:10) He fulfilled the Scripture by doing so. (Luke 18:31, 22:37)

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. (2Cor. 5:21)

[Frits]

16 hours ago, AdHoc said:

2. Our Lord went there. Does death rule over Him? How could it when, under and by His own power He escaped?

The Lord Jesus Christ was vulnerable and subject to the evil angels for a short time (Heb.2:9), when He gave His body on the cross of Calvary and did not assert His Divinity! (Phil.2:7)

But when all the debt was paid and He had accomplished everything (John 19:30), He took His Divine Majesty and Supremacy upon Himself again, and He, the Great King Himself, entered the realm of the dead to deliver all the righteous from it!

The same God, His Own Word, His Gospel of grace and of salvation, His Name: JESUS CHRIST, Hallelujah!

[Locust]

23 hours ago, Your closest friendnt said:

Revelation 7: 11 All the angels were standing around the throne and around the elders and the four living creatures.

i can see u's is desperate to get everyone into heaven. Yet that is not what's going to happen. Jesus' own words a Matthew 5:5 indicates that there will be people here on earth, even forever .

with that in mind Revelation 7:9

After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes; and there were palm branches in their hands. 

has to be a earthly event.