RFID.

[Irish_Graham]

I study business and economics in college and the other day we had a guest lecturer in to give us a talk on this.

The week beofre, during one of my many question and answer sessions from my non-Christian friends about various aspects of Christianity, Revelation came up. I began to tell them about the mark and how in the final days, we'll be forced to make a choice about accepting it or not. I told them it will more than likely be a microchip inserted under the skin of your hand, and if you accpet it you are turning your back on God.

The usual scepticism and scoffs of disbelief came, and I said that I can guarantee that in the next few years they will begin introducing technolody which will bear the hallmarks of this, explaining how it eliminates human error and has all these benefits.

Then to yesterday, were sitting down, and the guest lecturer starts talking about RFID. I started to feel nauseous at the way he was explaining this and how utterly spellbound everyone in the class was during it. He was saying how every good in a shop would be implanted with a chip, and patients in a hospital would have one "on their person" to save doctors from having to write their prescriptions and what not, and then he said "and maybe in the future it could be used day to day to eliminate cash and produce cashless transactions".

I was feeling very uneasy and my concience was telling me to get out of there, so I texted one of the people I had told about this the other week saying "remember what I told you about last week about microchips in the future, this is the beginning of it", to which she replied sarchastically and about the world ending and what not.

I obviously sound like a nutcase telling my firneds about this, and I have no doubts that behind my back Im being called a lunatic, but when this stuff is put in front of their eyes exactly as I had said it a week before, I cant believe people still refuse to take it seriously!!

Anyone have similar experience??

[Catsmeow]

Yep. My husband and I went to our local bank (we've banked at Bank of America for many years)...but this location is a newer one.

We needed to open a safe deposit box and after all the paperwork was completed, we were marched up to a machine where they wanted us to put our hand in some contraption in order to open the vault.

I also had a sick, nauseated feeling in my gut. I felt ill; like I'd pass out. My husband's a fairly new believer but he felt uneasy, also.

We just told the lady at the bank, "no way!" She was furious with us but we just couldn't do it. We walked right out of the bank and never opened a safe deposit account with them.

We're thinking about looking for another bank now...we're just sooo uncomfortable with this technology. You're NOT alone, friend!

[other one]

Irish, a book came out last month called "Spychips" you need to read this book to see the many many problems that RFID chips can bring us besides possiblly being tied up with the mark of the bease.

The mark itself does not need to be high technology. A purple smiley face would do just fine as the mark of the bease..... RFID might be a bit more effecient, but not necessary.

The information in this book can turn you against the RFID's without even getting into discussions of the mark, and besides believers are going to think your nuts anyway so do worry about that part

[peaches]

i think its going on to two years now since i read an article in our daily newspaper that talked about intergrating technology that is as u described the microchip thing. what was most curious about this article was that it specifically said that the chip could only be put in ur hand or on ur face. they didnt say forehead though. i really wish i had kept that article. i wonder if i can search their database.....

oh and also, they have been doing this in animals for quite some time now....they put identification chips in them which has all the info about the pet and whatever. i watched a special last year that focused on security talking about putting a chip in ur hand so that u will be the only one able to access ur quarters. a couple of weeks ago i was watching this thing i dont remember if it was discovery channel or what but there was this japanese guy talking about how the sky is the limit when it comes to technology....he was saying how we have gone from CD to ipod to nano and now there is nothing that can stop us from making something that can be implanted in ur skin. he gave it less that twenty years. what a whack idea!

[Keith]

Irish,

You're definitely not a lunatic. Try doing a search here on Worthy with the word "RFID" to look at all of the discussions and news articles that have been posted here on the subject. Here in the US, as of January 2006, all passports will have this chip in them.

We're past the beginning of all of this. We're about to enter the thick of it. Just remember, the Bible says these things must happen and to look up because He's coming soon!

As for the Mark. I don't believe that people can take the mark unknowing what it means because it's the final chance people have either accept or reject Jesus. It must be a conscious choice.

[Irish_Graham]

Thanks for the replies guys, I knew some of you would obviously have gone through similar, but it still nice to see it with my own eyes so I know Im not the first, and wont be the last.

The thing is, I know Im not nuts and that this stuff is definitely real and predicted a long time ago, but even now when I say this stuff aloud to non-Christians I realise how I must sound and all of a sudden think to myself "right Graham, if someone said this to you before you were a Christian, what would you have done???". I would have thought they needed to be checked in to a mental asylum, so now Im on the other side, how do I broach the subject and avoid sounding like this?

Its tough, and I think this subject should be used when people are on the road to becoming a Christian and are looking for evidence, not at the start when they are still at the beginning.

It will be a conscious choice I believe. I doubt our Lord will let his followers be bullied into having the mark forced onto them physically. The first time I encountered this subject was in book 7 or 8 of the "Left Behind" series called "The Mark" which goes into enormous detail about it and what will happen to people who refuse it!!

Scary stuff, but I believe in my heart that God will give us the strength to do what is needed and to do his will.

[Keith]

It will be a conscious choice I believe. I doubt our Lord will let his followers be bullied into having the mark forced onto them physically. The first time I encountered this subject was in book 7 or 8 of the "Left Behind" series called "The Mark" which goes into enormous detail about it and what will happen to people who refuse it!!

It has to be a conscious choice, just as accepting Jesus right now has to be a conscious choice. Nobody will be able to say that they didn't have a choice and ended up in hell because they were tricked into it. Lucifer and his followers chose to rebel. That's what it's about... choice. But, since we know how it will all turn out, in the end it will be Satan whose while we're looking on...

As for the Left Behind series... Great Stuff!

[Irish_Graham]

"As for the Left Behind series... Great Stuff!"

Werent they??

I know there is some debate as to pre and post trib rapture, but overall what a powerful series of books.

I read the first 9 in about 6 weeks on a working summer in San Diego 2004. My firends were working in Fashion Valley and I was literally seding them in to Borders every few days to pick me up the next book in the series. I was reading them at dinner at the table, reading them in bed, anywhere, couldnt get enough!!

The Mark really made me sit up and take notice, and now Ive been on the lookout for this stuff, so when it was literally put in front of my eyes in the supposed safe sanctuary of a college lecture, I was shocked to say the least!!

[SpiritLedEd]

I study business and economics in college and the other day we had a guest lecturer in to give us a talk on this.

The week beofre, during one of my many question and answer sessions from my non-Christian friends about various aspects of Christianity, Revelation came up. I began to tell them about the mark and how in the final days, we'll be forced to make a choice about accepting it or not. I told them it will more than likely be a microchip inserted under the skin of your hand, and if you accpet it you are turning your back on God.

The usual scepticism and scoffs of disbelief came, and I said that I can guarantee that in the next few years they will begin introducing technolody which will bear the hallmarks of this, explaining how it eliminates human error and has all these benefits.

Then to yesterday, were sitting down, and the guest lecturer starts talking about RFID. I started to feel nauseous at the way he was explaining this and how utterly spellbound everyone in the class was during it. He was saying how every good in a shop would be implanted with a chip, and patients in a hospital would have one "on their person" to save doctors from having to write their prescriptions and what not, and then he said "and maybe in the future it could be used day to day to eliminate cash and produce cashless transactions".

I was feeling very uneasy and my concience was telling me to get out of there, so I texted one of the people I had told about this the other week saying "remember what I told you about last week about microchips in the future, this is the beginning of it", to which she replied sarchastically and about the world ending and what not.

I obviously sound like a nutcase telling my firneds about this, and I have no doubts that behind my back Im being called a lunatic, but when this stuff is put in front of their eyes exactly as I had said it a week before, I cant believe people still refuse to take it seriously!!

Anyone have similar experience??

Irish Graham:

I've been saved for 22 years and have done much Bible study, and, I must confess that

that I still do not have a handle on the book of Revelation.

I will tell you this, however. I was not drawn toward a personal relatioship with Jesus by someone giving me dire warnings out of that book. Had someone approached me that way, they would have been met with skepticism and sarcasm just as you have been. I was shown love and introduced to the power of the Holy Spirit.

God has blessed me by allowing me to be instrumental in several people's coming to Christ, but they were all drawn by examples of God's love that they witnessed in me and in others. You can't frighten people into receiving Christ. The concerns you express are valid, but they are a poor evangelism tool unless you mix a small glass of them with a vat of God's love.

SLE

[Fiosh]

I study business and economics in college and the other day we had a guest lecturer in to give us a talk on this.

The week beofre, during one of my many question and answer sessions from my non-Christian friends about various aspects of Christianity, Revelation came up. I began to tell them about the mark and how in the final days, we'll be forced to make a choice about accepting it or not. I told them it will more than likely be a microchip inserted under the skin of your hand, and if you accpet it you are turning your back on God.

The usual scepticism and scoffs of disbelief came, and I said that I can guarantee that in the next few years they will begin introducing technolody which will bear the hallmarks of this, explaining how it eliminates human error and has all these benefits.

Then to yesterday, were sitting down, and the guest lecturer starts talking about RFID. I started to feel nauseous at the way he was explaining this and how utterly spellbound everyone in the class was during it. He was saying how every good in a shop would be implanted with a chip, and patients in a hospital would have one "on their person" to save doctors from having to write their prescriptions and what not, and then he said "and maybe in the future it could be used day to day to eliminate cash and produce cashless transactions".

I was feeling very uneasy and my concience was telling me to get out of there, so I texted one of the people I had told about this the other week saying "remember what I told you about last week about microchips in the future, this is the beginning of it", to which she replied sarchastically and about the world ending and what not.

I obviously sound like a nutcase telling my firneds about this, and I have no doubts that behind my back Im being called a lunatic, but when this stuff is put in front of their eyes exactly as I had said it a week before, I cant believe people still refuse to take it seriously!!

Anyone have similar experience??

I personally find the chips "creepy" even without the prophetic element. It's way too much of an invasion of privacy for me.

Even those GPS "locators" available in cars are not something I would have in mine.

As for the "mark", I'm not sure how this fits together with the chip. If, for example (as one poster mentioned), your bank asks you to accept some sort of "scan-able" chip, how is that a cooperation with the beast? Not saying I like the chip idea....it creeps me out. But, for the sake of argument, shouldn't there be a clear choice being made by the individual against God?

Can anyone give their thoughts on what ties it together?

Thanks,

Fiosh