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4 hours ago, Biblican said:

I neve said that the Palestinians are Philistines, that was somebody else. They are not Philistines. Some people call them out as an excuse to justify persecuting them. 

Yes, the Palestinians should be witnessed to. They are valuable people Jesus gave His life to save as are the Jews.

I haven't said anything that is not supported by scripture, or history.

I apologize for the mix up.

[Biblican]

17 hours ago, Ogner said:

The narrative that Israel will soon be destroyed has been present in the global media space for a couple of decades now.

Nevertheless, it’s highly doubtful that Israel will disappear anytime soon. There are no preconditions for this. On the contrary, there are all the reasons to assume that Israel will strengthen and expand, and the "Third Temple" will be built, in which the Antichrist will reign. This will fulfill the biblical prophecies about the "end of the world." Israel, as a state, was destroyed in the 1st century AD. Let’s consider the "spirit of the age," the time in which Israel reemerged. Israel appeared after nearly 2,000 years in an era of godlessness, in a century marked by the decline of Christianity, morality, and ethics. All monarchies were either destroyed or stripped of real power. It was the age of the rise of godless communism, Marxism, and Leninism. In the USSR, they first killed Tsar Nicholas II and his entire family. Then they carried out the most massive genocide of Christians in human history. After that, the only state-level resistance that could have thwarted the satanists’ plans was eradicated. And then Stalin helped the Jews create Israel. Yes! It was the very murderers of Tsar Nicholas II and his family, the organizers of the most extensive, ruthless, and bloodthirsty genocide of Christians, who aided in establishing Israel at a moment when there was no force left in the world capable of stopping them.

So why would Israel disappear now, when Jews have effectively subjugated the entire EU and the USA has become their vassal? Satanism is growing stronger worldwide, while Christianity is losing its influence on society. There are neither political nor moral-ethical forces in the world capable of halting the rise of satanism and the strengthening of Israel.

For 2,000 years, humanity was under the protection of Jesus Christ. But in the 20th century, Christian nations began to massively reject Jesus Christ. The Lord God was displeased that the Old Testament Jews rejected theocracy and demanded a king. Then God lamented that the Jews appointed kings over themselves without His anointing and set princes over themselves without His knowledge (Hosea 8:4). And now, people have invented presidential elections for themselves, indulging in the devilish illusion that the source of power is supposedly the people—a demon-possessed mob—rather than the Lord God. But this demon-possessed mob can choose no one other than the Antichrist. Soon the "Third Temple" will be built, and soon the Antichrist will reign. Yet the Antichrist’s rule will last only three and a half years. Then will come the Second Coming of Jesus Christ and the Last Judgment. All biblical prophecies will be fulfilled.
 

Yeah, most people don't understand the evil forces behind Zionism. I have not heard in my research that Stalin created [modern secular] Israel. The Illuminati Rothschild family were the initial instigators and they were/are communists, it originated with them "from the catacombs of Bavaria."  The first Rothschild involved went to Palestine in the 1800's and started buying up land there and began many businesses. Then he imported Jews from Europe to run them. These were not semite Jews they were descended from converts. When they began to run out of space, the Arabs refused to sell, so the Jews formed terrorist groups to drive out the British and the Arabs. Then came the Balfour agreement through the workings of another Zionist Rothschild. They want to use Jerusalem as a center for their operations. But I think there is going to be an intervention from Russia and their Muslim Allies. Israel's third temple, if it happens, the word for temple building is not used in Revelation, may be permitted after Israel is invaded. We will have to see.

[Ogner]

9 hours ago, Biblican said:

Yeah, most people don't understand the evil forces behind Zionism. I have not heard in my research that Stalin created [modern secular] lsrael. The Illuminati Rothschild family were the initial instigators and they were/are communists, it originated with them "from the catacombs of Bavaria." The first Rothschild involved went to Palestine in the 1800's and started buying up land there and began many businesses. Then he imported Jews from Europe to run them. These were not semite Jews they were descended from converts. When they began to run out of space, the Arabs refused to sell, so the Jews formed terrorist groups to drive out the British and the Arabs. Then came the Balfour agreement through the workings of another Zionist Rothschild. They want to use Jerusalem as a center for their operations. But I think there is going to be an intervention from Russia and their Muslim Allies. Israel's third temple, if it happens, the word for temple building is not used in Revelation, may be permitted after Israel is invaded. We will have to see.

1. One of the most notable contributions of the USSR to the creation of modern secular Israel was its vote in the United Nations in favor of the Palestine Partition Plan. On November 29, 1947, the UN General Assembly adopted Resolution No. 181, which provided for the establishment of two independent states—Jewish and Arab—on the territory of Mandatory Palestine. The Soviet Union, led by Stalin, actively supported this plan and voted "in favor."

USSR and the Eastern Bloc: The Soviet Union, the Byelorussian SSR, the Ukrainian SSR, Poland, and Czechoslovakia voted as a united front. This was Stalin’s firm stance. The Soviet Union not only voted "in favor" but also played a significant role in persuading its allies (Czechoslovakia, Poland) to support the resolution.

Great Britain: Abstained.

2. The USSR played a key role in providing the Jewish state with weapons through its Eastern Bloc ally, Czechoslovakia. In 1948, during modern Israel’s War of Independence, Czechoslovakia became the primary supplier of arms to Israeli forces. This included rifles, machine guns, artillery, and even aircraft such as Messerschmitt Bf 109 fighters (in the Czech version, Avia S-199).

These supplies were sanctioned by Stalin and coordinated with Soviet leadership. For example, as part of Operation "Balak," Israel received about 25 aircraft, as well as a significant amount of small arms and ammunition. Czechoslovakia, being under strong Soviet influence, could not have carried out such deliveries without Moscow’s approval. This weaponry played a decisive role in Israel’s success in the war against the Arab armies.

3. The USSR actively contributed to strengthening modern secular Israel through the emigration of Jews from Eastern Europe. After World War II, many Jewish refugees from countries within the Soviet sphere of influence (Poland, Romania, Hungary) were given the opportunity to leave for Palestine/Israel.

The Soviet Union, under Stalin’s leadership, played a pivotal role in the creation of modern secular Israel by providing political support in the UN and ensuring military assistance through Czechoslovakia. Without the Soviet vote in the UN and the supply of weapons at a critical moment in Israel’s history, its establishment could have been significantly more difficult.
 

Edited March 24 by Michael37
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7 hours ago, Ogner said:

1. One of the most notable contributions of the USSR to the creation of modern secular Israel was its vote in the United Nations in favor of the Palestine Partition Plan. On November 29, 1947, the UN General Assembly adopted Resolution No. 181, which provided for the establishment of two independent states—Jewish and Arab—on the territory of Mandatory Palestine. The Soviet Union, led by Stalin, actively supported this plan and voted "in favor."

USSR and the Eastern Bloc: The Soviet Union, the Byelorussian SSR, the Ukrainian SSR, Poland, and Czechoslovakia voted as a united front. This was Stalin’s firm stance. The Soviet Union not only voted "in favor" but also played a significant role in persuading its allies (Czechoslovakia, Poland) to support the resolution.

Great Britain: Abstained.

2. The USSR played a key role in providing the Jewish state with weapons through its Eastern Bloc ally, Czechoslovakia. In 1948, during modern Israel’s War of Independence, Czechoslovakia became the primary supplier of arms to Israeli forces. This included rifles, machine guns, artillery, and even aircraft such as Messerschmitt Bf 109 fighters (in the Czech version, Avia S-199).

These supplies were sanctioned by Stalin and coordinated with Soviet leadership. For example, as part of Operation "Balak," Israel received about 25 aircraft, as well as a significant amount of small arms and ammunition. Czechoslovakia, being under strong Soviet influence, could not have carried out such deliveries without Moscow’s approval. This weaponry played a decisive role in Israel’s success in the war against the Arab armies.

3. The USSR actively contributed to strengthening modern secular Israel through the emigration of Jews from Eastern Europe. After World War II, many Jewish refugees from countries within the Soviet sphere of influence (Poland, Romania, Hungary) were given the opportunity to leave for Palestine/Israel.

The Soviet Union, under Stalin’s leadership, played a pivotal role in the creation of modern secular Israel by providing political support in the UN and ensuring military assistance through Czechoslovakia. Without the Soviet vote in the UN and the supply of weapons at a critical moment in Israel’s history, its establishment could have been significantly more difficult.
 

Shalom, @Ogner.

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[Edward429451]

22 hours ago, Biblican said:

I neve said that the Palestinians are Philistines, that was somebody else. They are not Philistines. Some people call them out as an excuse to justify persecuting them. 

That was me and it isnt an excuse to persecute them. I based that on a few things. Joshua failed to exterminate the philistines in 3 areas and whoops look at the cincidence that those areas where Joshua failed happen to be the three areas that are still under dispute to this day. The Golan, the west bank and Gaza. WHat are the odds of that? 

 

The Palestinian people have a very similar sounding name to the Philistines. Philistine, Palestine, Palestinians Philistines It doesnt take a rocket scientist to put it together that the Palestinians are descendants of the Philistines.

[Biblican]

1 hour ago, Edward429451 said:

That was me and it isnt an excuse to persecute them. I based that on a few things. Joshua failed to exterminate the philistines in 3 areas and whoops look at the cincidence that those areas where Joshua failed happen to be the three areas that are still under dispute to this day. The Golan, the west bank and Gaza. WHat are the odds of that? 

 

The Palestinian people have a very similar sounding name to the Philistines. Philistine, Palestine, Palestinians Philistines It doesnt take a rocket scientist to put it together that the Palestinians are descendants of the Philistines.

You don't know that for sure. The Philistines practiced horrific things, child sacrifice, witchcraft etc. The Palestinians are Muslims and they follow law that Muhammad based on Moses law. Trying to associate them with the Philistines as an excuse to eradicate them, when God commanded the Jews to live in peace with the Gentiles in their land, is wrong and not supported by scripture.

[Edward429451]

37 minutes ago, Biblican said:

You don't know that for sure. The Philistines practiced horrific things, child sacrifice, witchcraft etc. The Palestinians are Muslims and they follow law that Muhammad based on Moses law. Trying to associate them with the Philistines as an excuse to eradicate them, when God commanded the Jews to live in peace with the Gentiles in their land, is wrong and not supported by scripture.

 

Sure I do know that. All you have to do is read the bible about Joshua and then catch up on a modern newspaper and they are the same areas. I know that the Philistines were an evil people and apparently they were even Nephilim some of them. God said way back in scripture Joshua, go eradicate them, and he failed. 

 

It sounds like you're just repeating modern propaganda. Oh I understand that they dont want to be associated with the Philistines and in a way, I cant blame them. Would you want to be caled a Philistine?! 

You trying to foster Christian acceptance and love upon the Philistines with modern victim talk is almost laughable. Why do I find it hard to have compassion for them as a people?

 

Well, why did they Attack Israel on Oct. 7th? Israel has a right to defend itself. So get it out of your head that I'm picking on them. It's not my fault that they bit off more than they can chew! They attacked Israel and are getting their butt whooped for it so get used to it. 

 

 

[Biblican]

4 hours ago, Edward429451 said:

 

Sure I do know that. All you have to do is read the bible about Joshua and then catch up on a modern newspaper and they are the same areas. I know that the Philistines were an evil people and apparently they were even Nephilim some of them. God said way back in scripture Joshua, go eradicate them, and he failed. 

 

It sounds like you're just repeating modern propaganda. Oh I understand that they dont want to be associated with the Philistines and in a way, I cant blame them. Would you want to be caled a Philistine?! 

You trying to foster Christian acceptance and love upon the Philistines with modern victim talk is almost laughable. Why do I find it hard to have compassion for them as a people?

 

Well, why did they Attack Israel on Oct. 7th? Israel has a right to defend itself. So get it out of your head that I'm picking on them. It's not my fault that they bit off more than they can chew! They attacked Israel and are getting their butt whooped for it so get used to it. 

 

 

The Palestinians are Semites. They are descendants of Abraham through Ishmael. They are in no way associated with the Philistines.

The Palestinians are also valuable human beings that Jesus died to save. Jesus said that we are to love our enemies and pray for those who do evil things to us. If you are having a hard time having compassion for these people, then you need to evaluate your Christianity.  I partner with Voice of the Martyrs and I get their magazine every month. It is full of stories of Christians who have endured horrific atrocities at the hands of Muslims, Buddhists and Hindus and even Jews. They witnessed their loved ones murdered before their eyes and some are living with permanent handicaps after surviving violent attacks. And in testimony after testimony they recount how the Lord has enabled them to love and forgive their enemies. 

You need to be able to see these people as God sees them, pray for them and the Jews, and pray that both sides will eventually come to the realization that God requires all human beings to love one another. 

By the way, some of those Palestinians are Christians. I am sure that they will be enabled forgive the Jews who bombed their homes and murdered their loved ones.

[Edward429451]

1 hour ago, Biblican said:

The Palestinians are Semites. They are descendants of Abraham through Ishmael. They are in no way associated with the Philistines.

The Palestinians are also valuable human beings that Jesus died to save. Jesus said that we are to love our enemies and pray for those who do evil things to us. If you are having a hard time having compassion for these people, then you need to evaluate your Christianity.  I partner with Voice of the Martyrs and I get their magazine every month. It is full of stories of Christians who have endured horrific atrocities at the hands of Muslims, Buddhists and Hindus and even Jews. They witnessed their loved ones murdered before their eyes and some are living with permanent handicaps after surviving violent attacks. And in testimony after testimony they recount how the Lord has enabled them to love and forgive their enemies. 

You need to be able to see these people as God sees them, pray for them and the Jews, and pray that both sides will eventually come to the realization that God requires all human beings to love one another. 

By the way, some of those Palestinians are Christians. I am sure that they will be enabled forgive the Jews who bombed their homes and murdered their loved ones.

I dont understand your point. You went from chastening me and make the point to me that all men are that same and I should pray for them...

To suggesting that Palestinians need to forgive Israel  & the Jews as if the jews are bad and the Palestinians are good?

 

But that's what you just told me that I shouldnt do! Sister, I think you should think this through some more. Why do the Jews need forgiven for fighting the Philistines when it was them that attacked Israel first? Riddle me that one. 

[Biblican]

9 hours ago, Edward429451 said:

I dont understand your point. You went from chastening me and make the point to me that all men are that same and I should pray for them...

To suggesting that Palestinians need to forgive Israel  & the Jews as if the jews are bad and the Palestinians are good?

 

But that's what you just told me that I shouldnt do! Sister, I think you should think this through some more. Why do the Jews need forgiven for fighting the Philistines when it was them that attacked Israel first? Riddle me that one. 

According to history, the Jews and the Palestinians were all living together in peace. Then one of the Rothschilds from the illuminati banking family started buying up land there and importing Jews from Europe to run them. These were not Semite Jews, descendants from Abraham for the most part they were converts. When they ran out of housing and the Arabs refused to sell, the Jews formed terrorists groups to drive out the Arabs and the British. The Jews attacked one village, and massacred over 200 men, women and children which started an exodus of the Arabs out of Palestine. It has been said that if it wasn't for that attack there would be no Israel today. So the whole problem originated when the Jews drove the Arabs out of their homes. They had lived there for 1300 years.  The Jews are still trying to drive them out of their homes and this is why the Jews need to repent and the Palestinians need to forgive. God gave the land to the Jews, but they were required by God to live as one with the strangers in their land. The Arabs are more than that, they are also Abraham's seed and have a right to live there with the Jews. There will not be a solution to this until Jesus returns. The Jews' behavior is one reason why God says He will bring their enemies upon them in the latter days. 

The Jews are being portrayed as the victims, but the whole problem originated with their aggressions which is downplayed and covered up. They spend a lot of money buying favorable press. They were offering $5,000 to YouTube influencers to produce favorable content about Israel. And what most people don't know is Israel funded Hamas in order to prevent negotiations for a two state solution which the Israelis do not want.

"Anyone who wants to thwart the establishment of a Palestinian state has to support bolstering Hamas and transferring money to Hamas ... This is part of our strategy – to isolate the Palestinians in Gaza from the Palestinians in the West Bank."  Benjamin Netanyahu -2019 at a Likud party conference

Gershon Hacohen, former commander of the 7th Armored Brigade and an associate of Benjamin Netanyahu, said in 2019 in an interview [32]:

“Netanyahu’s strategy is to prevent the option of two states, so he is turning Hamas into his closest partner. Openly Hamas is an enemy. Covertly, it’s an ally.”[33]

Bezalel Smotrich, a far-right lawmaker and finance minister under Netanyahu Government, called the Palestinian Authority a "burden" and Hamas an "asset"

On January 19, 2024, Reuters reported that Josep Borrell, the EU foreign policy chief, said while receiving an honorary doctorate from the University of Valladolid that "Israel had financed the creation of Palestinian militant group Hamas, publicly contradicting Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu who has denied such allegations." and that "Borrell added the only peaceful solution included the creation of a Palestinian state. 'We only believe a two-state solution imposed from the outside would bring peace even though Israel insists on the negative,' he said." [35] [36] Borrell also described Israel as having "created Hamas", but immediately continued saying that "yes, Hamas was financed by Israel to weaken the Palestinian Authority". [37] [38] [39]

Professor Avner Cohen, a former Israeli religious affairs official, publicly acknowledged that Hamas was "Israel's creation."[40] Similar statements have been made by Yasser Arafat.[41]

Shlomo Brom [he], retired general and former deputy to Israel's national security adviser, believes that an empowered Hamas helps Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu avoid negotiating over a Palestinian state, suggesting that there is no viable partner for peace talks.[27]

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