The Chosen Remnant

[Indentured Servant]

"I will choose you—one from a town and two from a clan—and bring you to Zion"

          - Jeremiah 3:14(b)

 

"...before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads."

          - Revelation 14:1

 

"...those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel."

          Revelation 7:4

 

 

[Marilyn C]

2 hours ago, Indentured Servant said:

"I will choose you—one from a town and two from a clan—and bring you to Zion"

          - Jeremiah 3:14(b)

 

"...before me was the Lamb, standing on Mount Zion, and with him 144,000 who had his name and his Father’s name written on their foreheads."

          - Revelation 14:1

 

"...those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel."

          Revelation 7:4

 

 

Hi IS,

I agree that the 144,000 are from the 12 tribes of Israel. However, those in Jeremiah 3: 14 are the one-third of Zechariah 13: 8. The context is Israel going into the millennium. 

[Keras]

4 hours ago, Indentured Servant said:

...those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel."

Where and who are the twelve tribes of Israel today? 

The Bible says they are as countless as the sands of the sea and they remain scattered among the nations.

Jesus says He came to save the lost peoples of Israel. Did He fail? 

[Anne2]

36 minutes ago, Keras said:

Where and who are the twelve tribes of Israel today? 

The Bible says they are as countless as the sands of the sea and they remain scattered among the nations.

Jesus says He came to save the lost peoples of Israel. Did He fail? 

Were all twelve tribes lost?

[Indentured Servant]

52 minutes ago, Keras said:

Did He fail? 

Really? You ask this?

If your question is sincere, it either reveals your uncertainty in God, or that you're baiting me for some hidden agenda, likely in an attempt to make me appear wrong about something, which I consider a personal attack.  

I have no option but honesty, Keras... I find your personal interpretations of prophetic Scripture to be nothing more than bizarre. 

I do not consider your views as scriptural, nor do I wish to get involved in another fruitless conversation with you.

Good day, sir.

[Keras]

7 hours ago, Anne2 said:

Were all twelve tribes lost?

Just the ten Northern tribes, who have become the Christian peoples. 

Jesus was successful in His mission and we Christians are now the true Israelites of God. Galatians 6:14-16

The House of Judah was cut off from the Kingdom, Matthew 21:43, and only individual Jews who become Christian can rejoin. 

[Indentured Servant]

13 hours ago, Anne2 said:

Were all twelve tribes lost?

Lost only to our human ability to recognize them. God has never lost sight of the descendants of Jacob.

Anyone who teaches silly things like, "God turned Israel into Christians, or got rid of the original Israel to make way for the true Israel" has to manipulate scripture to be able to argue that.

That's a blatant assault on Scriptural truth!

The Jehovah's Witnesses use the same scripture manipulation to "prove" they are the only people in the world who will be saved. And like many churches, this same Spirit of deception is being seen in Christian theology. 

They teach that the 144,000 is a symbolic number, nothing to do with the actual tribes of Israel... (Christians now say the same)

They have always related prophetic Scripture to popular news headlines... (Christians now do the same)

They believe that Babylon the Whore is the RCC and world religions and sinful society (except them) despite the fact that scripture specifically identifies "Babylon." (Christians teach this also, and ignore what Scripture says.)

 

I submitted three verses of Scripture. I added no interpretation, opinion, or reference to current events... 

I did this for two reasons:

1. I just wanted to offer scriptural truth, and nothing more.

2. I wanted to confirm that a particular spirit would attack God's Word, and point the finger at me. I predicted it would troll me. It did. 

People nowadays are coming up with a variety of personal interpretations of prophecies, and it's disturbing. 

I recently encountered someone redacting a (roughly) 300 word prophetic vision down to a few words in order to present a current news story and reveal to everyone that a large piece of paper with visible writing on both sides was actually a weapon of mass destruction. The second half of that vision was a woman in a woven basket, carried away by two stork-like entities, and this was used to prove the piece of paper contained nuclear power. 

No church could deny that some members harbor these spirits of deception, and I don't think it's out of line to suggest that social media, even WCF, isn't immune to this.

[other one]

2 hours ago, Indentured Servant said:

Lost only to our human ability to recognize them. God has never lost sight of the descendants of Jacob.

I do believe you are correct.

Rev 7:2-8
Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea: 3 "Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God." 4 Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel.

5 From the tribe of Judah 12,000 were sealed,
from the tribe of Reuben 12,000,
from the tribe of Gad 12,000,
6 from the tribe of Asher 12,000,
from the tribe of Naphtali 12,000,
from the tribe of Manasseh 12,000,
7 from the tribe of Simeon 12,000,
from the tribe of Levi 12,000,
from the tribe of Issachar 12,000,
8 from the tribe of Zebulun 12,000,
from the tribe of Joseph 12,000,
from the tribe of Benjamin 12,000.
NIV

Apparently he knows who belongs to which tribe.

[Indentured Servant]

4 minutes ago, other one said:

Apparently he knows who belongs to which tribe.

My biggest concerns are with interpretations that directly conflict with what it factually stated in Scripture; and, those who assert that scripture doesn't mean what it says, so they overwrite the Word to satisfy their personal, or church-specific, narrative.

[other one]

9 minutes ago, Indentured Servant said:

My biggest concerns are with interpretations that directly conflict with what it factually stated in Scripture; and, those who assert that scripture doesn't mean what it says, so they overwrite the Word to satisfy their personal, or church-specific, narrative.

I see that just about everywhere about some things.