The Jig-Saw Puzzle of End Time Prophecies

[WilliamL]

" The Lord chose to scatter a multitude of prophetic pieces of the End Time jigsaw puzzle-picture throughout the Bible. Most people try to assemble all of the scattered pieces into one complete scene without ever having any picture on a box cover to guide them.

" The Exodus story provides a guiding picture. Every basic theme and event of the End Times is in that biblical picture story, but people refuse to look at it. Instead, they work from distorted pictures formed in their minds out of presumptions about how they think things will be, or from what others have told them. And so they end up trying to jam puzzle pieces together that weren't made to fit the way they think they should. "

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/995-every-eye-will-see-him-part-3/

Agree or disagree with the words in bold? Why?

[Indentured Servant]

23 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

" The Lord chose to scatter a multitude of prophetic pieces of the End Time jigsaw puzzle-picture throughout the Bible. Most people try to assemble all of the scattered pieces into one complete scene without ever having any picture on a box cover to guide them.

... but people refuse to look at it. Instead, they work from distorted pictures formed in their minds out of presumptions about how they think things will be, or from what others have told them. And so they end up trying to jam puzzle pieces together that weren't made to fit the way they think they should. "

 

I agree. Sometimes I think people try to use pieces from other puzzles to put the prophetic puzzle together, but at the loss of much of the original puzzle pieces.

Many simply refuse to refer back to scripture to identify end times events and people.

Just one example is the identity of "Babylon, Mother of Prostitutes:"

This mother and her daughters are specifically identified in the Prophets, but I've found no one even remotely interested in knowing; most see her as the RCC, a collection of false religions, or something even more bizarre.

The Prophets also provide enough information for us to know the chronology of end times events.

Your observations are spot on-  people base their ideas on things said or written by previous people who didn't have a clue.

I'm trying to learn to be entertained by some of the things people believe. 

[WilliamL]

8 minutes ago, Indentured Servant said:

Your observations are spot on-  people base their ideas on things said or written by previous people who didn't have a clue.

Spot on. I call them parrots: they sound like they understand what they are saying, but they are just mimicking what they've heard.

8 minutes ago, Indentured Servant said:

I'm trying to learn to be entertained by some of the things people believe. 

You are a better man than I.

[Indentured Servant]

2 minutes ago, WilliamL said:

You are a better man than I.

I said "trying" to be entertained, hahaha.

Truthfully, it's quite challenging for me when I see self-proclaimed experts denying Scripture and filling in the(ir) gaps with current world events or guessing. 

[NConly]

2 hours ago, WilliamL said:

The Lord comes in clouds, every eye sees him, the dead are raised, the elect ascend, the Jews are converted, the heathen wail, the Wrath begins.

I would like to see the different verses this statement is from. thanks

[Marilyn C]

4 hours ago, WilliamL said:

" The Lord chose to scatter a multitude of prophetic pieces of the End Time jigsaw puzzle-picture throughout the Bible. Most people try to assemble all of the scattered pieces into one complete scene without ever having any picture on a box cover to guide them.

" The Exodus story provides a guiding picture. Every basic theme and event of the End Times is in that biblical picture story, but people refuse to look at it. Instead, they work from distorted pictures formed in their minds out of presumptions about how they think things will be, or from what others have told them. And so they end up trying to jam puzzle pieces together that weren't made to fit the way they think they should. "

https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/995-every-eye-will-see-him-part-3/

Agree or disagree with the words in bold? Why?

Hi William,

It seems to me that you are seeing God`s prophecies as a jigsaw when in fact they are very clear for - Israel, the nations and the Body of Christ. 

You have muddled them all up. 

[timf]

Trying to put the pieces together for prophecy can be complicated by an additional factor , "free will". If you were to make a prediction about an individual, it would have to be right regardless of the choices that person made. Pollsters might find t difficult to predict what an individual would do, but often find greater accuracy predicting what a group will do. Consider what Jesus read to those in a synagogue;

Luk 4:18  The Spirit of the Lord is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
Luk 4:19  To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
Luk 4:20  And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
Luk 4:21  And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

Jesus fulfilled many of the prophecies. However, some were left unfulfilled because the timing would depend on what collective actions the nation of Israel would take. For the Isaiah passage only the first part was declared "fulfilled".

Isa 61:2  To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn;

Many prophecies about Israel have not yet been fulfilled. This requires them to have a restored Israel in the future or to try to explain them away as allegorical. My approach to prophecy it to consider how they might be taken at face value.

[truth7t7]

On 3/30/2025 at 1:32 PM, Indentured Servant said:

I agree. Sometimes I think people try to use pieces from other puzzles to put the prophetic puzzle together, but at the loss of much of the original puzzle pieces.

Many simply refuse to refer back to scripture to identify end times events and people.

Just one example is the identity of "Babylon, Mother of Prostitutes:"

This mother and her daughters are specifically identified in the Prophets, but I've found no one even remotely interested in knowing; most see her as the RCC, a collection of false religions, or something even more bizarre.

The Prophets also provide enough information for us to know the chronology of end times events.

Your observations are spot on-  people base their ideas on things said or written by previous people who didn't have a clue.

I'm trying to learn to be entertained by some of the things people believe. 

(Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great.

The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

(Revelation) 17:4KJV

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Yes "The Woman", The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

(Exodus) 28:15-20KJV

15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.

16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.

17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.

18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.

19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.

20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

(Revelation) 17:9KJV

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia.

Jerusalem, Israel: Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

(Revelation) 18:24KJV

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV

29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,

30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.

31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.

32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.

33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?

34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:

35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.

36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.

37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Jerusalem (The Woman) that (Great City) as seen below, Jerusalem where Jesus Christ was crucified

(Revelation) 17:18AKJV

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

(Revelation) 11:8AKJV

8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jews/Hebrews cast dust upon their heads, weeping for the (Great City) Jerusalem

(Revelation) 18:19 AKJV

19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Edited April 2 by truth7t7

[WilliamL]

On 3/30/2025 at 5:46 PM, Marilyn C said:

Hi William,

It seems to me that you are seeing God`s prophecies as a jigsaw when in fact they are very clear for - Israel, the nations and the Body of Christ. 

You have muddled them all up. 

Nothing is more muddled up than the pre-trib rapture theory, which is based upon a whole pyramid of presumptions imposed upon many different End Time prophecies.

Whereas the types and shadows of the End Times portrayed in the Exodus-era story provide all of the essential, and many more minor, End Times events in their very sequence. Quite often using the same words to boot. See especially Part 2 of the following articles:

48. The End Times and the Exodus, Part 1

First of a four-part series that shows how the events of the Israelite Exodus out of Egypt, and their subsequent wilderness sojourn and conquest of Canaan, allegorically portray in great detail the full sequence of events surrounding the Second Coming of Christ. Begins with the Seven Spirits. https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/1980-the-end-times-and-the-exodus-part-1/

49. The End Times and the Exodus, Part 2

The Seven Seals.   https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/1992-the-end-times-and-the-exodus-part-2/

50.The End Times and the Exodus, Part 3    The Seven Trumpets. https://www.worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2027-the-end-times-and-the-exodus-part-3/

51. The End Times and the Exodus, Part 4    The Seven Bowls. https://worthychristianforums.com/blogs/entry/2069-the-end-times-and-the-exodus-part-4/

 

No such detailed, sequential portrayal in the OT has ever been shown by pre-tribbers.

Edited April 3 by WilliamL

[WilliamL]

On 3/30/2025 at 3:45 PM, NConly said:

I would like to see the different verses this statement is from. thanks

Here are merely some of them:

The Lord comes in clouds, -- Rev. 1:7; 1 Thes. 4:17

every eye sees him, -- Rev. 1:7

the dead are raised, -- 1 Cor. 15:52; Dan. 12:2; 1 Thes. 4:14

the elect ascend, -- 1 Thes. 4:16-17; Rev. 7:9-14

the Jews are converted, -- Rev. 7:1ff.; Zech. 12:10ff.

the heathen wail, the Wrath begins. -- Rev. 1:7; Rev. 6:15-17; Matt. 24:30