What is his name, and what is his son's name?

[other one]

45 minutes ago, Locust said:

ya well you need to do some home work i am not wrong 

Ex 24:9-11 Then went up Moses, and Aaron, Nadab, and Abihu, and seventy
of the elders of Israel: And they saw the God of Israel: and there was
under his feet as it were a paved work of a sapphire stone, and as it
were the body of heaven in his clearness. And upon the nobles of the
children of Israel he laid not his hand: also they saw God, and did eat
and drink.
KJV
John 6:44-46 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent
me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day. It is written in
the prophets, And they shall be all taught of God. Every man therefore
that hath heard, and hath learned of the Father, cometh unto me. Not
that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of God, he hath
seen the Father.
KJV
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Moses and friends saw the God of Israel and were not harmed.
Jesus says that no man has seen the father except He that came from
Him.
So it seems to me that the Father that Jesus speaks of is not what that
the Nation of Israel interfaced with in the Old Testament.
Looking further:
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John 1:1-10 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All
things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that
was made. In him was life; and the life was the light of men. And the
light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not. There
was a man sent from God, whose name was John. The same came for a
witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might
believe. He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that
Light. That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh
into the world. He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and
the world knew him not.
KJV
John 8:52-58 Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a
devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man
keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. Art thou greater than
our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom
makest thou thyself? Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is
nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is
your God: Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should
say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him,
and keep his saying. Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he
saw it, and was glad.
Trinity Thoughts
Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and
hast thou seen Abraham? Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say
unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
KJV
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It seems to me to be saying that Jesus was what the Nation of Israel
interfaced with in the Old Testament days. Jesus in this form was with
the Father from the beginning.
It seems to me that the people of the Old Testament days were not aware
of the Father except for what they saw through the Jesus in the form he
existed in before he became flesh.
Further:
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Phil 2:5-11Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with
God: But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a
servant, and was made in the likeness of men: And being found in
fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death,
even the death of the cross. Wherefore God also hath highly exalted
him, and given him a name which is above every name: That at the name
of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in
earth, and things under the earth; And that every tongue should confess
that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
KJV
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It appears to me that Jesus as the word was that which the Father
worked through to manifest Himself to the people of the Old Testament
times. Jesus did not regard himself to want to be the equal to the
Father so He took the form of a human to further the works of the
Father on earth.
Jesus was deity by being in the form of God, but it was the Father that
did the work through Him when he was the Word. It appears that the only
thing that has changed is Jesus is now flesh working the same way only
as a man. The Father exercises His will through Jesus, now in the
fleshly body.
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John 14:10-11 Believest thou not that I am in the Father, and the
Father in me? the words that I speak unto you I speak not of myself:
but the Father that dwelleth in me, he doeth the works. Believe me that
I am in the Father, and the Father in me: or else believe me for the
very works' sake.
KJV
John 17:20-26 Neither pray I for these alone, but for them also which
shall believe on me through their word; That they all may be one; as
thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in
us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me. And the glory
which thou gavest me I have given them; that they may be one, even as
we are one: I in them, and thou in me, that they may be made perfect in
one; and that the world may know that thou hast sent me, and hast loved
them, as thou hast loved me. Father, I will that they also, whom thou
hast given me, be with me where I am; that they may behold my glory,
which thou hast given me: for thou lovedst me before the foundation of
the world. O righteous Father, the world hath not known thee: but I
have known thee, and these have known that thou hast sent me. And I
have declared unto them thy name, and will declare it: that the love
wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them.
KJV
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It seems to me that Jesus just extended the conduit from Him to us for
the Father to do His work through Jesus to us so we could know the
Father as the Father knows us. Thus we now can do the work of the
Father. I believe this is the path and workings of the Holy Spirit
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1 Cor 15:20-28 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the
firstfruits of them that slept. For since by man came death, by man
came also the resurrection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so
in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order:
Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to
God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all
authority and power. For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies
under his feet. The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death. For he
hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith, all things are
put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all
things under him. And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then
shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things
under him, that God may be all in all.
KJV
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Jesus, before His ascension told the Apostles that all power and
authority had been given to Him. After he has subdued everything Jesus
will also be subjected to the One who subjected all things to
Him........ The Father.
I don't see the Son always being equal with the Father, either when He
was the word nor in the flesh. He will also be subject to the Father
after He does the job of bringing the kingdom into it's full power over
all and giving it to the Father.
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1 Cor 8:4-6 As concerning therefore the eating of those things that are
offered in sacrifice unto idols, we know that an idol is nothing in the
world, and that there is none other God but one. For though there be
that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods
many, and lords many,) But to us there is but one God, the Father, of
whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom
are all things, and we by him.
KJV
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But to us, there is but one God, The Father of whom all things
came from......
And one Lord, Jesus whom we call the Christ, through which all things
came including us.
And we have the Holy Spirit which was sent to us from the Father at the
request of Jesus.
Interestingly, all three are one in thought, one in purpose, and one in
action. We can't interface with the Father without being indwelt by
the Holy Spirit, and we can't have the Holy Spirit without the
sacrifice and request of Jesus, and we couldn't have had Jesus without
the Father asking Him to do what he has done for us.
You have to have all three or none. And thus they are one.

 

[other one]

Jesus: The Visible God of the Old Testament and the Conduit of the Father
The Bible presents a fascinating distinction between the Father and the divine figure who interacted with humanity in the Old Testament. Consider Exodus 24:9-11, where Moses, Aaron, Nadab, Abihu, and seventy elders of Israel ascend and see the God of Israel: "Under His feet was something like a pavement of sapphire stone, clear as the sky itself. And He did not lay His hand on the nobles of Israel; they saw God, and they ate and drank" (KJV, adapted). This is a remarkable encounter—direct, tangible, and unharmed.
Yet, Jesus complicates this picture in John 6:44-46: "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him... Not that any man has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father" (KJV, adapted). If no one has seen the Father except Jesus, who did Moses and the elders see? This suggests the "God of Israel" they encountered wasn’t the Father but another divine figure—one I believe to be Jesus Himself in His pre-incarnate form.
The Word from the Beginning
John 1:1-10 lays the foundation: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made" (KJV, adapted). This Word, who "became flesh" (John 1:14), is Jesus—existing with the Father from eternity, co-creator of all things, and the light shining into the darkness. The Old Testament saints didn’t know the Father directly; they interfaced with the Word, Jesus, who revealed God to them in a form they could grasp.
Jesus affirms this in John 8:56-58, responding to the Jews: "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day; he saw it and was glad... Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM" (KJV, adapted). Here, Jesus claims the divine name "I AM" (Exodus 3:14), linking Himself to the God who appeared to Abraham and others. The Israelites saw and knew God through Him—not the Father in His unapproachable essence, but the Word who mediated divine presence.
The Humble Servant of the Father
Philippians 2:5-11 deepens this: "Christ Jesus, being in the form of God, did not regard equality with God something to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness" (KJV, adapted). As the Word, Jesus was deity—yet He didn’t cling to equality with the Father. Instead, He humbled Himself, first as the divine agent in the Old Testament, then as a man, always serving the Father’s will. The Father worked through Him to manifest Himself to humanity, whether as the God of Israel or the crucified Savior.
In John 14:10-11, Jesus explains this unity: "The words I speak to you I do not speak on My own; the Father who dwells in Me does the works" (KJV, adapted). Even in flesh, Jesus remains the conduit of the Father’s power and purpose—a role unchanged from eternity.
Extending the Conduit to Us
This relationship extends beyond Jesus to us. In John 17:20-23, He prays: "I pray... for those who will believe in Me... that they may all be one, just as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be in Us" (KJV, adapted). Through His sacrifice and intercession, Jesus sends the Holy Spirit, connecting us to the Father. As 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 reveals, Jesus reigns until all enemies are subdued, then hands the kingdom to the Father, remaining subject to Him (KJV, adapted). He’s not eternally co-equal in authority but the faithful Son fulfilling the Father’s plan.
One God, Three Persons, One Purpose
1 Corinthians 8:4-6 ties it together: "There is no God but one... For us, there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist" (KJV, adapted). The Father is the source, Jesus the means, and the Holy Spirit the presence indwelling us. You can’t have one without the others—they are distinct yet inseparable, united in thought, purpose, and action.
Redefining "God"
Our confusion stems from the word "god." In Hebrew and Greek, it denotes anything worshipped or wielding control—pagan deities, nature, money, even ourselves. The original texts lack capitalization distinctions; translators capitalize "God" for the Trinity. But for us, "God" is the Father, Son, and Spirit—three entities so intertwined they are one. It’s not a mystery or miracle; it’s a misunderstanding of a word. They operate as one because their will is one, and through Jesus’ work, we’re invited into that unity.

 

[Alive]

24 minutes ago, other one said:

Jesus: The Visible God of the Old Testament and the Conduit of the Father
The Bible presents a fascinating distinction between the Father and the divine figure who interacted with humanity in the Old Testament. Consider Exodus 24:9-11, where Moses, Aaron, Nadab, Abihu, and seventy elders of Israel ascend and see the God of Israel: "Under His feet was something like a pavement of sapphire stone, clear as the sky itself. And He did not lay His hand on the nobles of Israel; they saw God, and they ate and drank" (KJV, adapted). This is a remarkable encounter—direct, tangible, and unharmed.
Yet, Jesus complicates this picture in John 6:44-46: "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him... Not that any man has seen the Father, except He who is from God; He has seen the Father" (KJV, adapted). If no one has seen the Father except Jesus, who did Moses and the elders see? This suggests the "God of Israel" they encountered wasn’t the Father but another divine figure—one I believe to be Jesus Himself in His pre-incarnate form.
The Word from the Beginning
John 1:1-10 lays the foundation: "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God... All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made" (KJV, adapted). This Word, who "became flesh" (John 1:14), is Jesus—existing with the Father from eternity, co-creator of all things, and the light shining into the darkness. The Old Testament saints didn’t know the Father directly; they interfaced with the Word, Jesus, who revealed God to them in a form they could grasp.
Jesus affirms this in John 8:56-58, responding to the Jews: "Your father Abraham rejoiced to see My day; he saw it and was glad... Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I AM" (KJV, adapted). Here, Jesus claims the divine name "I AM" (Exodus 3:14), linking Himself to the God who appeared to Abraham and others. The Israelites saw and knew God through Him—not the Father in His unapproachable essence, but the Word who mediated divine presence.
The Humble Servant of the Father
Philippians 2:5-11 deepens this: "Christ Jesus, being in the form of God, did not regard equality with God something to be grasped, but emptied Himself, taking the form of a servant, being made in human likeness" (KJV, adapted). As the Word, Jesus was deity—yet He didn’t cling to equality with the Father. Instead, He humbled Himself, first as the divine agent in the Old Testament, then as a man, always serving the Father’s will. The Father worked through Him to manifest Himself to humanity, whether as the God of Israel or the crucified Savior.
In John 14:10-11, Jesus explains this unity: "The words I speak to you I do not speak on My own; the Father who dwells in Me does the works" (KJV, adapted). Even in flesh, Jesus remains the conduit of the Father’s power and purpose—a role unchanged from eternity.
Extending the Conduit to Us
This relationship extends beyond Jesus to us. In John 17:20-23, He prays: "I pray... for those who will believe in Me... that they may all be one, just as You, Father, are in Me, and I in You, that they also may be in Us" (KJV, adapted). Through His sacrifice and intercession, Jesus sends the Holy Spirit, connecting us to the Father. As 1 Corinthians 15:24-28 reveals, Jesus reigns until all enemies are subdued, then hands the kingdom to the Father, remaining subject to Him (KJV, adapted). He’s not eternally co-equal in authority but the faithful Son fulfilling the Father’s plan.
One God, Three Persons, One Purpose
1 Corinthians 8:4-6 ties it together: "There is no God but one... For us, there is one God, the Father, from whom are all things and for whom we exist, and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things and through whom we exist" (KJV, adapted). The Father is the source, Jesus the means, and the Holy Spirit the presence indwelling us. You can’t have one without the others—they are distinct yet inseparable, united in thought, purpose, and action.
Redefining "God"
Our confusion stems from the word "god." In Hebrew and Greek, it denotes anything worshipped or wielding control—pagan deities, nature, money, even ourselves. The original texts lack capitalization distinctions; translators capitalize "God" for the Trinity. But for us, "God" is the Father, Son, and Spirit—three entities so intertwined they are one. It’s not a mystery or miracle; it’s a misunderstanding of a word. They operate as one because their will is one, and through Jesus’ work, we’re invited into that unity.

 

I am not sure if this is your writing, but is is excellent, IMO.

It’s beyond us to fully understand, but we have been given enough to prevent serious errors. He wants us to be founded in Truth.

[other one]

43 minutes ago, Alive said:

I am not sure if this is your writing, but is is excellent, IMO.

It’s beyond us to fully understand, but we have been given enough to prevent serious errors. He wants us to be founded in Truth.

Actually I put what I wrote in the first post which is just raw research and asked Grok to put it into something a bit more readable.  I think I am going to like AI.   I posted the first one so Locust would know I did do research and where it comes from.

[other one]

BTW I did ask Grok if I could use it and it said OK.

[enoob57]

permission from a machine ... what will they think of next 

[other one]

57 minutes ago, enoob57 said:

permission from a machine ... what will they think of next 

You should get to know it.  I know several pastors that have it write their sermons for them.   It's not like Alexa or google, you can have conversations with it.  It's kind of spooky when you first start.

I'm still not sure if it's legal to post its things without permission, that's why I asked.    I'm not sure if my writing would have been any better or worse, but it only took about 4 seconds to complete.

[enoob57]

I could stand more excellence in my writing of things 

[1to3]

On 4/1/2025 at 9:51 PM, Live2believe said:

What are the true names of the Father and the Son? Do you think it is important to know them?

"What is his name, and what is his son's name, If thou canst tell?" (Proverbs 30:4)

its the Name counterfeit AI=the beast system, does not want you to know

                   GOD  IS THE HOLY SPIRIT OF THE GOOD SHEPHERD

 

God is the Holy Spirit of the good shepherd, HIS WORD does establish a strong connection between the three. In Psalm 23 , God is referred to as "the Lord is my shepherd". This image is further developed in the New Testament, where Christ Jesus identifies Himself as "I am the good shepherd". Furthermore, the Holy Spirit is presented as a  teacher guide, comforter and protector, fulfilling aspects of the "good shepherd" role, particularly in Acts 20:28 where the Holy Spirit is said to have made overseers to care for the flock

[Live2believe]

6 hours ago, 1to3 said:

its the Name counterfeit AI=the beast system, does not want you to know

                   GOD  IS THE HOLY SPIRIT OF THE GOOD SHEPHERD

 

God is the Holy Spirit of the good shepherd, HIS WORD does establish a strong connection between the three. In Psalm 23 , God is referred to as "the Lord is my shepherd". This image is further developed in the New Testament, where Christ Jesus identifies Himself as "I am the good shepherd". Furthermore, the Holy Spirit is presented as a  teacher guide, comforter and protector, fulfilling aspects of the "good shepherd" role, particularly in Acts 20:28 where the Holy Spirit is said to have made overseers to care for the flock

It is interesting that AI does not want people to know the name of the Father and the Son.

Do Christians know?

Our Father which art in heaven, Hallowed be thy name. (Matthew 6:9)

I came in my Father's name and you received me not (John 5:43).

Surprisingly, no one stated the name of the Father.

Can "Jesus" be the original and true name of the Son when there is no letter "J" in Hebrew and Greek?