WHO IS CHRIST?

[Michael37]

20 hours ago, Retrobyter said:

He is not "God" anymore in the fulness of what it means to be "God"

Col 1:19  For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
Col 2:9  For in him dwells all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

[Frits]

1 hour ago, Michael37 said:

WHO IS CHRIST?

That’s My King By Dr. S.M. Lockridge (In the Public Domain)

The Bible says my King is a seven-way king....

He's the King of the Jews; that's a racial king....

He's the King of Israel; that's a national King....

He's the King of Righteousness....

He's the King of the Ages.....

He's the King of Heaven....

He's the King of Glory....

He's the King of kings, and He's the Lord of lords. That's my King.

Well....I wonder, do you know Him?....

David said, "The Heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament shows His handiwork."

My King is a sovereign King. No means of measure can define His limitless love. No far seeing telescope can bring into visibility the coastline of His shoreless supply. No barrier can hinder Him from pouring out His blessings. He's enduringly strong....He's entirely sincere....He's eternally steadfast....He's immortally graceful....He's imperially powerful....He's impartially merciful.......

Do you know Him?

He's the greatest phenomenon that ever crossed the horizon of this world. He's God's Son....He's a sinner's Saviour....He's the centerpiece of civilization....He stands in the solitude of Himself....He's august....He's unique....He's unparalleled....He's unprecedented....He's the loftiest idea in literature....He's the highest personality in philosophy....He's the supreme problem in higher criticism....He's the fundamental doctrine of true theology....He's the cardinal necessity for spiritual religion....He's the miracle of the age.... He's the superlative of everything good that you choose to call Him....He's the only one qualified to be an all sufficient Saviour......

I wonder if you know Him today?

He supplies strength for the weak....He's available for the tempted and the tried....He sympathizes and He saves....He strengthens and sustains....He guards and He guides....He heals the sick....He cleanses lepers....He forgives sinners....He discharges debtors....He delivers captives....He defends the feeble....He blesses the young....He serves the unfortunate....He regards the aged....He rewards the diligent....and He beautifies the meek.......

I wonder if you know Him?

Well, my King....is the King....He's the key to knowledge....He's the wellspring to wisdom....He's the doorway of deliverance....He's the pathway of peace....He's the roadway of righteousness ....He's the highway of holiness....He's the gateway of glory.......

Do you know Him?

Well....His office is manifold....His promise is sure....His light is matchless....His goodness is limitless....His mercy is everlasting....His love never changes....His word is enough....His grace is sufficient....His reign is righteous....and His yoke is easy, and his burden is light. I wish I could describe Him to you, but He's indescribable....He's incomprehensible....He's invincible....He's irresistible.

Well, you can't get Him out of your mind....You can't get Him off of your hand....You can't out live Him, and you can't live without Him....The Pharisees couldn't stand Him, but they found out they couldn't stop Him....Pilate couldn't find any fault in Him....The witnesses couldn't get their testimonies to agree....Herod couldn't kill Him....Death couldn't handle Him, and the grave couldn't hold Him.

Yea!!!, that's my King, that's my King.

Father..."Thine is the Kingdom....and the Power....and the Glory....Forever"....and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever. How long is that? And ever...and ever...and when you get through with all the forevers, then.... AMEN!....AMEN!

Jes 43:15 KJV

I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.

Psa 5:2 KJV

Hearken unto the voice of my cry, my King, and my God: for unto thee will I pray.

Amen!

Edited April 15 by Frits

[Alive]

“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him not even one thing came into being that has come into being. In Him was life, and the life was the Light of mankind. And the Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not grasp it.

A man came, one sent from God, and his name was John. He came as a witness, to testify about the Light, so that all might believe through him. He was not the Light, but he came to testify about the Light.

This was the true Light that, coming into the world, enlightens every person. He was in the world, and the world came into being through Him, and yet the world did not know Him. He came to His own, and His own people did not accept Him. But as many as received Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name, who were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of a man, but of God.

And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us; and we saw His glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.”

(John 1:1-14 NAS20)

[Alive]

For those reading this thread, along with what John tells us above, if you wish to know who Jesus Christ is…spend time reading Isaiah. Through Isaiah, the Lord tells us who He is. The reading will raise questions. Ask away. If not here, then someone you trust. When reading, do so while also asking the Lord to open your eyes to continue to see. He will Help you.

[Retrobyter]

8 hours ago, Michael37 said:

WHO IS CHRIST?

That’s My King By Dr. S.M. Lockridge (In the Public Domain)

The Bible says my King is a seven-way king....

He's the King of the Jews; that's a racial king....

He's the King of Israel; that's a national King....

He's the King of Righteousness....

He's the King of the Ages.....

He's the King of Heaven....

He's the King of Glory....

He's the King of kings, and He's the Lord of lords. That's my King.

Well....I wonder, do you know Him?....

David said, "The Heavens declare the glory of God and the firmament shows His handiwork."

My King is a sovereign King. No means of measure can define His limitless love. No far seeing telescope can bring into visibility the coastline of His shoreless supply. No barrier can hinder Him from pouring out His blessings. He's enduringly strong....He's entirely sincere....He's eternally steadfast....He's immortally graceful....He's imperially powerful....He's impartially merciful.......

Do you know Him?

He's the greatest phenomenon that ever crossed the horizon of this world. He's God's Son....He's a sinner's Saviour....He's the centerpiece of civilization....He stands in the solitude of Himself....He's august....He's unique....He's unparalleled....He's unprecedented....He's the loftiest idea in literature....He's the highest personality in philosophy....He's the supreme problem in higher criticism....He's the fundamental doctrine of true theology....He's the cardinal necessity for spiritual religion....He's the miracle of the age.... He's the superlative of everything good that you choose to call Him....He's the only one qualified to be an all sufficient Saviour......

I wonder if you know Him today?

He supplies strength for the weak....He's available for the tempted and the tried....He sympathizes and He saves....He strengthens and sustains....He guards and He guides....He heals the sick....He cleanses lepers....He forgives sinners....He discharges debtors....He delivers captives....He defends the feeble....He blesses the young....He serves the unfortunate....He regards the aged....He rewards the diligent....and He beautifies the meek.......

I wonder if you know Him?

Well, my King....is the King....He's the key to knowledge....He's the wellspring to wisdom....He's the doorway of deliverance....He's the pathway of peace....He's the roadway of righteousness ....He's the highway of holiness....He's the gateway of glory.......

Do you know Him?

Well....His office is manifold....His promise is sure....His light is matchless....His goodness is limitless....His mercy is everlasting....His love never changes....His word is enough....His grace is sufficient....His reign is righteous....and His yoke is easy, and his burden is light. I wish I could describe Him to you, but He's indescribable....He's incomprehensible....He's invincible....He's irresistible.

Well, you can't get Him out of your mind....You can't get Him off of your hand....You can't out live Him, and you can't live without Him....The Pharisees couldn't stand Him, but they found out they couldn't stop Him....Pilate couldn't find any fault in Him....The witnesses couldn't get their testimonies to agree....Herod couldn't kill Him....Death couldn't handle Him, and the grave couldn't hold Him.

Yea!!!, that's my King, that's my King.

Father..."Thine is the Kingdom....and the Power....and the Glory....Forever"....and ever, and ever, and ever, and ever. How long is that? And ever...and ever...and when you get through with all the forevers, then.... AMEN!....AMEN!

Shalom, @Michael37.

This is a pretty good speech; however, it's missing a couple of points:

First, there are TWO Kings! The Father has been King all along, but will be the SECOND King for the earth in the future. The FIRST King for our earth will be the Messiah Yeeshuwa`. This is what makes the Trinity such an important concept. It keeps the roles of the Persons separate.

Yeeshuwa` ("Jesus") gave us information in His parable of the wheat and tares. In His explanation of the tares, He gives us this:

Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43 (KJV)

24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying,

"The kingdom of heaven is likened unto a man which sowed good seed in his field: 25 But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the tares also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him,

"'Sir, didst not thou sow good seed in thy field? from whence then hath it tares?'

28 "He said unto them,

"'An enemy hath done this.'

"The servants said unto him,

"'Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?'

29 "But he said,

"'Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, "Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn."' "

...

36 Then Jesus sent the multitude away, and went into the house: and his disciples came unto him, saying,

"Declare unto us the parable of the tares of the field."

37 He answered and said unto them,

"He that soweth the good seed is (=) the Son of man;
38 The field is (=) the world (Greek: κόσμος = "world-system" of rulership);
the good seed are (=) the children of the kingdom;
but the tares are (=) the children of the wicked [one];
39 The enemy that sowed them is (=) the devil;
the harvest is (=) the end of the world (Greek: αἰῶνός = "age");
and the reapers are (=) the angels."

At this point, we can make the substitutions in the parable. Here's the restatement of the parable with the substitutions made:

24 Another parable put he forth unto them, saying,

"The kingdom of heaven is likened unto the Son of man which sowed the children of the kingdom in the world (Greek: κόσμος = "world-system" of rulership): 25 But while men slept, the devil came and sowed the children of the wicked [one] among the children of the kingdom, and went his way. 26 But when the blade was sprung up, and brought forth fruit, then appeared the children of the wicked [one] also. 27 So the servants of the householder came and said unto him,

"'Sir, didst not thou sow the children of the kingdom in thy world (Greek: κόσμος = "world-system" of rulership)? from whence then hath it the children of the wicked [one]?'

28 "He said unto them,

"'the devil hath done this.'

"The servants said unto him,

"'Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up?'

29 "But he said,

"'Nay; lest while ye gather up the children of the wicked [one], ye root up also the children of the kingdom with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of the end of the world (Greek: αἰῶνός = "age") I will say to the reapers, "Gather ye together first the children of the wicked [one], and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the children of the kingdom into my barn."' "

Then, He concluded:

40 "As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world (Greek: αἰῶνός = "age") . 41 The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather OUT OF HIS KINGDOM all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; 42 And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth. 43 Then shall the righteous shine forth as the sun IN THE KINGDOM OF THEIR FATHER. Who hath ears to hear, let him hear."

And, Yeeshuwa` also said that HIS Kingdom will begin when He returns. We are NOT currently in His Kingdom, although we can reckon ourselves to be His subjects right now and accept Yeeshuwa` as our LITERAL, FUTURE King. He said this twice (at least):

Matthew 25:31 (KJV)

31 "When the Son of man shall come in his glory (brightness), and all the holy angels with him, THEN shall he sit upon the throne of his glory (brightness):"

And, within His parable on the way to Jerusalem, He said this:

Luke 19:11-15 (KJV)

11 And as they heard these things, he added and spake a parable, because he was nigh to Jerusalem, and because they thought that the kingdom of God should immediately appear. 12 He said therefore,

"A CERTAIN NOBLEMAN WENT INTO A FAR COUNTRY TO RECEIVE FOR HIMSELF A KINGDOM, AND TO RETURN. 13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them,

"'Occupy (Trade with this) till I come.'

14 "But his citizens hated him, and sent a message after him, saying,

"'We will not have THIS [man] to reign over us!'

15 "And it came to pass, that WHEN HE WAS RETURNED, HAVING RECEIVED THE KINGDOM, then he commanded ...."

And, Paul added this in the "Resurrection Chapter":

1 Corinthians 15:20-28 (KJV)

20 But now is Christ (the Messiah) risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits (singular) of them that slept. 21 For since by man [came] death, by man [came] also the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ (in the Messiah) shall all be made alive. 23 But every man in his own order:

(0) Christ (The Messiah) the firstfruits (singular);
(1) afterward they that are Christ's (those who belong to the Messiah) at his coming.
24 (2) THEN [COMETH] THE END, WHEN HE SHALL HAVE DELIVERED UP THE KINGDOM TO GOD, EVEN THE FATHER; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] death. 27 For "he hath put all things under his feet." {But when he saith "all things are put under [him," it is] manifest that "he" is excepted, which did "put all things under him."} 28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto HIM (God the Father) that put all things under him (the Son of God, the Messiah), THAT GOD MAY BE ALL IN ALL.

And, we're told in Revelation 20, that from the time of His Coming (His Second Coming) to The End will be at least a THOUSAND YEARS, the time which is marked by the incarceration of haSatan.

Therefore, there are TWO KINGDOMS coming: The First will be the Kingdom of God represented by the Messiah, and the Second will be the Kingdom of God DIRECTLY ruled by God the Father.

Second, when Yeeshuwa` said, "I and my father are one," He was saying that in the SAME WAY that a man and a woman become one in their marriage. He wasn't saying they were "one" as in one flesh, consummating the marriage; He was saying that they are ON THE SAME PAGE! He does always those things that please His Father! He will reign on behalf of His Father, always checking in with His Father in prayer to be sure of what His Father WANTS, just as He did during His FIRST Coming!

[Retrobyter]

7 hours ago, Frits said:

Jes 43:15 KJV

I am the LORD, your Holy One, the creator of Israel, your King.

Psa 5:2 KJV

Hearken unto the voice of my cry, my King, and my God: for unto thee will I pray.

Amen!

Shalom, @Frits.

And both are referring to YHWH God, whom Yeeshuwa` ("Jesus") acknowledged as His Father.

[Your closest friendnt]

This parable ends with these words in verse 13:30 . First collect the weeds. And then gather the wheat and bring into the barn. 

People when are getting older are trying desperately to clean themselves and repent from what they think they have to do. I do not say anything about that and I do not interfere with what everyone does. For man has to do what he thinks he has to do. 

But this is what Jesus Christ said to us with this parable. 

First he tells us that the evil has not be removed from the world and that also includes other interpretations of the words spoken by Jesus Christ. But Jesus is telling us not to worry about ourselves and about other believers. And this is because at the time of our death everything that is not from God, as words of confusion and misunderstanding even words that doesn't compliment him at the time of Death they will not follow us in the after life when we will appear before him and he does not have to do anything to cleanse us because we are cleanse at the precise moment when we die. And this is why we ender in his Heavenly Kingdom in the Heavenly inheritance of the saints right away. Imediatly after death we all become clean. Everything that is not from him in us is seperated from us and it is burned as it cannot be used against any believer. As we are under his grace and his love. And in his name Jesus Christ does not hold anything against us..

We were with, whatever we were with as we lived but that at the time of our death all seperate from us as the parable says is harvest and it is burned, it does not bare  witnesses against us, it was in us as we lived in our body. But when we die we are out of the body and we appear before Jesus Christ as we are without the body and  as we are clean we appear before Jesus Christ blamless and He welcomed us into his Heavenly Kingdom. 

 

30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”

 

 Mathew 13:24-29 

24 Jesus told them another parable: “The kingdom of heaven is like a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 But while everyone was sleeping, his enemy came and sowed weeds among the wheat, and went away. 26 When the wheat sprouted and formed heads, then the weeds also appeared.

27 “The owner’s servants came to him and said, ‘Sir, didn’t you sow good seed in your field? Where then did the weeds come from?’

28 “‘An enemy did this,’ he replied.

“The servants asked him, ‘Do you want us to go and pull them up?’

29 “‘No,’ he answered, ‘because while you are pulling the weeds, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 Let both grow together until the harvest. At that time I will tell the harvesters: First collect the weeds and tie them in bundles to be burned; then gather the wheat and bring it into my barn.’”

Edited April 15 by Your closest friendnt

[Frits]

I wrote this topic because of the words spoken by the angel of the Lord in Luke 2:11. 

Through that messenger of God, it became clear to me how important it is to emphasize that CHRIST is the true GOD HIMSELF. 

The angel calls Him "Savior", which is Christ the Lord. 

Luke 2:11 KJV 

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord. 

 

"CHRIST THE LORD" 

Please look with me at what the Strong's concordance indicates at "THE LORD" (G2962), pay special attention to what is stated at point "C". 

 G2962

 Original: κύριος

 Transliteration: kurios

 Phonetic: koo'-ree-os

 Thayer Definition:

 1. he to whom a person or thing belongs, about which he has power of deciding; master, lord

 A. the possessor and disposer of a thing

 -1. the owner; one who has control of the person, the master

 -2. in the state: the sovereign, prince, chief, the Roman emperor

 B. is a title of honor expressive of respect and reverence, with which servants greet their master

 C. this title is given to: God, the Messiah

 (so far)

 

 CHRIST IS THE LORD, HE IS ONE. (Deut.6:4)

 Whoever sees Christ sees God (John 14:9), and whoever wants to see God will have to focus his eye on the Lord Jesus Christ. (Ps.123:1, Heb.12:2)

Whoever seeks God and wants to approach Him, will end up in Jesus Christ, God is not anywhere else!

Brothers and sisters, I wish you a nice day and God's blessing!

Frits

[Retrobyter]

13 minutes ago, Frits said:

I wrote this topic because of the words spoken by the angel of the Lord in Luke 2:11. 

Through that messenger of God, it became clear to me how important it is to emphasize that CHRIST is the true GOD HIMSELF. 

The angel calls Him "Savior", which is Christ the Lord. 

Luke 2:11 KJV 

For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Savior, which is Christ the Lord. 

Shalom, @Frits.

A "savior" is a "deliverer" or a "rescuer." Someone who rescues another person from a dangerous situation, or delivers another person from bondage, or saves another person from death.

The OT taught the children of Israel through the prophecies that God would SEND a rescuer to rescue His people. Just as Moses led the children of Israel out of Egypt, and

Othniel: Led the Israelites against Cushan-rishathaim, King of Aram. 

Ehud: Confronted Eglon, the king of Moab. 

Shamgar: Fought against the Philistines, killing 600 of them with an ox goad. 

Deborah and Barak: Led the Israelites against King Jabin of Canaan and his general Sisera. 

Gideon: Fought against the Midianites, Amalekites, and "the sons of the East". 

Jephthah: Battled the Ammonites. 

Samson: Fought against the Philistines in numerous battles, demonstrating great strength. 

 These were ALL "rescuers," "saviors!"

13 minutes ago, Frits said:

"CHRIST THE LORD" 

Please look with me at what the Strong's concordance indicates at "THE LORD" (G2962), pay special attention to what is stated at point "C". 

 G2962

 Original: κύριος

 Transliteration: kurios

 Phonetic: koo'-ree-os

 Thayer Definition:

 1. he to whom a person or thing belongs, about which he has power of deciding; master, lord

 A. the possessor and disposer of a thing

 -1. the owner; one who has control of the person, the master

 -2. in the state: the sovereign, prince, chief, the Roman emperor

 B. is a title of honor expressive of respect and reverence, with which servants greet their master

 C. this title is given to: God, the Messiah

 (so far)

Thank you for this explanation and your personal history. In a definition such as this, notice that the synonyms of the definition are separated by commas. That's not unusual. Like newspapers of old, the comma often represented the word "and."

When you look at the points above C, one will see that the various parts of a point are all separated by commas.

For example, 1.A.2. says "in the state: the sovereign, prince, chief, the Roman emperor" and could also be read as, "in the state: the sovereign AND prince AND chief AND the Roman emperor."

They are INSTANCES of the definition as applied to different situations. We don't think of these all as applying to the same person. We don't see: sovereign = prince = chief = the Roman emperor.

The structure of 1.C. is no different. It also could read, "this title is given to: God AND the Messiah." We shouldn't read into the definition "God = the Messiah."

Since the time of David and Solomon, the King of Israel WAS the master of the rest of the people. His rules - his laws - were to be obeyed! Therefore, it is not uncommon in the OT to find that "Lord" is applied to kings, much as a King is a "lord's lord" today in England (which once again has a king instead of a queen).

13 minutes ago, Frits said:

 CHRIST IS THE LORD, HE IS ONE. (Deut.6:4)

 Whoever sees Christ sees God (John 14:9), and whoever wants to see God will have to focus his eye on the Lord Jesus Christ. (Ps.123:1, Heb.12:2)

Whoever seeks God and wants to approach Him, will end up in Jesus Christ, God is not anywhere else!

Brothers and sisters, I wish you a nice day and God's blessing!

Frits

Thank you for the wish and the blessing! I wish you the same, and may God richly bless you and yours!

Christians have been limited by not studying the history found in the Tanakh (the Old Testament). If they were to study it out, particularly in the life of David before he was made king, one will find that HE, TOO, was a "messiah," an "anointed one" of the LORD.

So too was Saul; so was Solomon; so was Aaron, and MANY more were so anointed. The word "Messiah" is not limited to the ULTIMATE Messiah, whom we know as Yeeshuwa` or "Jesus" in English.

Aaron, his sons and grandsons, Saul, David, Solomon, Rehoboam, ... were ALL "messiahs" for their time. Only Yeeshuwa` was (and is) the Messiah - the Anointed One - who will be such FOREVER as the ULTIMATE Messiah of God. He shall reign over the house of Jacob (Israel) forever! He's only gone away for a "short" time, until His Father says, "It's time!" When He returns, He shall come back with God's authority to be Israel's King! And, He shall step into that role and GROW that Kingdom until it envelops the whole world! (Daniel 2:35, 44-45; 1Corinthians 15:20-28; Matthew 13:24-30, 36-43). Then, He turns that Kingdom over to His Father to reign over it directly forever, and Yeeshuwa` will continue to reign in the New Jerusalem forever, as the King of Israel forever (Luke 1:30-33).

The word "Christ" comes from the Greek word "Χριστός" transliterated as "Christos," which is a translation of the Hebrew word "מָשִׁיחַ" transliterated as "Messiah." Both words mean "an anointed one," just in two different languages.

I should also note here that capitalization is more an English thing brought into the mix. In Hebrew, there are no capital letters. In Greek, capitalization was SOMETIMES used, but there weren't any hard-and-fast rules about it. Sometimes, whole manuscripts have been found that contain NO capital letters at all, written in miniscules; sometimes, the manuscripts are written in ALL capital letters! It was more like how we may write in block letters (where the letters are all separate from each other) or cursive (where the letters are all joined in a continual flow within a word).

We've come to accept a capital letter at the beginning of a word as marking it as a name or a title, and there are rules in English grammar for capitalization.

As far as the verses you've chosen from the OT, Deuteronomy 6:4 and Psalm 123:1-2, these apply to the ONE whom Yeeshuwa` called "Father," and "my God." One should not read into a verse what isn't there in the originall

[Frits]

When the Hebrew Tanakh was translated by Jewish linguists into the Greek language, the Septuagint (or Septuaginta, also referred to as LXX), the Name of God in Exodus 6:3 ( יהוה ) was translated with κυριος (Gr. Kurios).

It is very special that in the New Testament of the Bible our God is nowhere indicated with JHWH, Yaweh, Jehovah, or יהוה.

That is because Christ is God and He, according to the LXX, is always indicated with Kurios. And we know the Name of CHRIST the KURIOS: JESUS!