Did God create Adam & Eve being that there were already people on Earth?

[lrs68]

1 hour ago, teddyv said:

There is very good evidence of the universe expanding. In fact, the rate of expansion appears to be increasing. 

And, yes, science will never prove anything, as proofs are best left to math and philosophy. Science arrives at conclusions based on the best evidence. If new evidence is uncovered, theories will be adjusted to accommodate, ot possibly require a new theoretical framework.

I can believe that the Universe is continually expanding.  I can believe that is the designed intention of God.  I also can believe that God made it so vast it only appears to be expanding because Science is in a constant state of playing catch up to God's creation.

[Revelation Man]

15 hours ago, lrs68 said:

The Laws of nature like we apply based upon electromagnetic, gravity, inertia, singularity, and the others would remain the same if the Universe only consisted of 1 Galaxy or 50 trillion.   They are constant.   They are mathematical.   Therefore nothing changes them, they do not adapt, they do not conform.  They are constant.

 

So I am confused by you saying they require the Universe to be in a constant expansion.   Science cannot prove the Universe is expanding the same as they cannot prove the Big Bang.  It's theory and subject to be changed or proven wrong the moment better information is understood.

If you are  at point A and 5000 miles away from point B, and on horse back you can manage a 10 mile journey each day, simple math tells us you will make the journey from point A to point B in 500 days. Its SIMPLE MATH.

If light from a Star gets here from  8 Billion Light Years Away it had to take 8 billion years to get here. Your whole point is nonsensical brother, once it gets here it is a CONTINUAL LIGHT STREAM because as time passes, the light still travels until the star burns out. So, your suggestion (I GUESS) that expansion is why the light got here quicker (which makes no sense because it took 400 Million years after EXPANSION before any stars were ever formed) even if this were possible (its not) then as that expansion occurred real fast, the light stream would be left behind. 

[lrs68]

2 hours ago, Revelation Man said:

If you are  at point A and 5000 miles away from point B, and on horse back you can manage a 10 mile journey each day, simple math tells us you will make the journey from point A to point B in 500 days. Its SIMPLE MATH.

If light from a Star gets here from  8 Billion Light Years Away it had to take 8 billion years to get here. Your whole point is nonsensical brother, once it gets here it is a CONTINUAL LIGHT STREAM because as time passes, the light still travels until the star burns out. So, your suggestion (I GUESS) that expansion is why the light got here quicker (which makes no sense because it took 400 Million years after EXPANSION before any stars were ever formed) even if this were possible (its not) then as that expansion occurred real fast, the light stream would be left behind. 

I understand the idealism behind the theory of Light Years Measuring Methods.  I understand that concept is making a claim in order to apply the Light Years Measuring Methods you are measuring something that requires a space greater than thousands, hundred thousands, millions, billions of year from one point to another point.

 

My claim is that God could have made the Universe to be as wide as a trillion Light Years but spoke it that vast and big in a single minute and bam it was immediately that big and vast without requiring billions of years.

[farouk]

On 5/18/2025 at 12:51 PM, lrs68 said:

I understand the idealism behind the theory of Light Years Measuring Methods.  I understand that concept is making a claim in order to apply the Light Years Measuring Methods you are measuring something that requires a space greater than thousands, hundred thousands, millions, billions of year from one point to another point.

 

My claim is that God could have made the Universe to be as wide as a trillion Light Years but spoke it that vast and big in a single minute and bam it was immediately that big and vast without requiring billions of years.

@lrs68 Didn't Thomson Senior and Thomson Junior each win the Nobel Prize for Physics, one proving that light was waves and the other proving that light was particles? (or something like that; I may have gotten the detail wrong; I'm no physicist, as may immediately be apparent).

[FreeGrace]

On 5/17/2025 at 10:53 AM, JohnD said:

Adam (created by Jesus)

The last Adam (created by the Father)

To be clear, Jesus, as the Second Member of the Trinity, was never created.  God the Father did "prepare a body" (human) for Him to dwell in during His life on earth.

Heb 10:5 - Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, But a body didst thou prepare for me;

[Prycejosh1987]

Adam and Eve were the first. But they had what they wanted. God would of progressively given these things to them. But they listened to Satan. People tend to get curious and jealous over things they already have. 

[teddyv]

On 5/17/2025 at 9:47 PM, lrs68 said:

Have you ever sincerely looked at people without God?  I mean seriously they deny the existence of God, they reject anything connected to Him, they oppose anything related to God.   We know because of what our Bible explains to us that they are full of sin.   Romans 1 even goes to the point of eventually God gives them over to a reprobate mind.

I know and have known many people of various faiths or even without. I have met non-Christians with more integrity and humility than many that profess Jesus.

But, yes, there are people that are quite hostile. I've met a few as well and well, they have their own stories and reasons, rational or not.

On 5/17/2025 at 9:47 PM, lrs68 said:

What does any and all of that have to do with the age and appearance of the earth, you might ask?

 

They are sinful, God rejecting, reprobate minded, and even at a young age many look older and abused.

The word "many" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Making a claim of physical, emotional or spiritual appearance to one's level of sinfulness is not a reliable metric.

On 5/17/2025 at 9:47 PM, lrs68 said:

 

When God approached Cain He said to Cain, the blood of Abel cries out to Me from the earth.   God showed us the sins of man and its results end up existing within the earth.

 

Peter explains this is why God will use fire to eventually purify the earth from all of the sins and results of those sins man has committed since Adam.

 

If a sinful existence can make a person appear older and more abused than they should, it's very possible the earth suffers similar because of the sins of ALL humans since Adam was here.

Well, certain young earth creationists would say that the current physiography of the earth is a result of the Flood, which was a consequence of sin. 

On 5/17/2025 at 9:47 PM, lrs68 said:

 

Therefore, I propose, earth would look new had Adam never sinned nor any human after Adam.  I propose that earth only appears to be old due to the effects of sin.   If sin will separate and doom a human to eternal damnation.  What can a quadrillion of sins and possibly more than that do to the innocent planet earth that requires God to purge and purify it with fire so its in the correct existence for New Jerusalem to come down [a Holy City that is 100% pure and sinless] and become a part of earth?

What would a "new" earth look like?

[lrs68]

1 hour ago, teddyv said:

I know and have known many people of various faiths or even without. I have met non-Christians with more integrity and humility than many that profess Jesus.

Amen!

1 hour ago, teddyv said:

But, yes, there are people that are quite hostile. I've met a few as well and well, they have their own stories and reasons, rational or not.

I agree 👍 

1 hour ago, teddyv said:

The word "many" is doing a lot of heavy lifting here. Making a claim of physical, emotional or spiritual appearance to one's level of sinfulness is not a reliable metric.

Sure it's either a stretch of reasoning or even a possible fact.  We really don't know one way or another.

1 hour ago, teddyv said:

Well, certain young earth creationists would say that the current physiography of the earth is a result of the Flood, which was a consequence of sin. 

That's roughly a little past a 1,000 years but I was implying since Adam until today, or the day I made this post that you responded to.  And we really don't know specifically when Adam was first created but once he sinned and removed from the Garden we assume that's somewhere in the 6,000ish ballpark.

1 hour ago, teddyv said:

What would a "new" earth look like?

That is actually a great question considering the one we have now appeared to be under water when the Spirit of God hovered above it.

I have left things sit in stagnant water and things deteriorated rather quickly.   Pending on how long earth was in the condition we read in Genesis 1:2 it's no stretch of the imagination to think the earth should have been null and void.   Almost seems like an obvious no brainer.